Ann who was foreign

[Phoenix]

Ann married William Randle, appears on the 1841 census, and dies before 1851.

She is a friend's ancestor. One branch of the family says she came from Amsterdam and got to England, pretending to be the ship's captain's daughter, while her parents were hidden in the hold.

This is the family in 1841:
https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=gbc%2f1841%2f1058%2f0391&parentid=gbc%2f1841%2f0006248553&highlights=%22%22

Several generations called their sons Reynier - usually pronounced Rinear.

I have found this will in 1857, naming a sister Hannah, and neices and nephews George, Raynier, Elizabeth, Hannah and Mary. Being round hand, I cannot be sure of the surname: https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/5111/40611_311589-00243/619767?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk% 2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3f_phsrc%3dhQY9732%26_phstart%3dsucc essSource%26usePUBJs%3dtrue%26db%3dcanturburyprero gativecourt%26so%3d2%26pcat%3d36%26gss%3dangs-c%26new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26gsfn%3dreinier%26gsfn_x%3 dNP_NN%26MSAV%3d1%26MSV%3d1%26uidh%3d9vh&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults

It's under the rest and residue bit.

What do you think?

This is (to me) the clincher: Reynier Taylor in 1851, born Amsterdam:
https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=gbc%2f1851%2f4303519%2f00468&parentid=gbc%2f1851%2f0003722117&highlights=%22%22

[Phoenix]

It could, of course, mean nothing, but when Elizabeth married, an Ann Taylor was a witness:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/1623/31280_195098-00216/4869501?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk %2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3f_phsrc%3dhQY9754%26_phstart%3dsucc essSource%26usePUBJs%3dtrue%26db%3dlmamarriages%26 so%3d2%26pcat%3d34%26gss%3dangs-c%26new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26msT%3d1%26MS_AdvCB%3d1%26 gsfn%3delizabeth%26gsfn_x%3d1%26gsln%3drandle%26gs ln_x%3d1%26msfng%3dwilliam%26msfng_x%3d1%26cpxt%3d 1%26cp%3d4%26catbucket%3dr%26MSAV%3d2%26MSV%3d1%26 uidh%3d9vh&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults

[kiterunner]

I can't view your census links as I haven't got an FMP sub at the moment, but could the surname in the will be Kendall?
Edit - just read post 1 properly and realise you probably wanted it to be Rendall! But looking at the first letter of what must be Kershaw on the first page of the will, it does look more like that than the first letter of Reynier.

[kiterunner]

This is the ancestry link for the 1851 entry:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/8860/MDXHO107_1503_1503-0462/2571505?backurl=https%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.u k%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fgst%3d-6&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults

[kiterunner]

And the ancestry link for the 1841 census:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/8978/SRYHO107_1058_1058-0275/10194941?backurl=https%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co. uk%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fgst%3d-6&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults

[kiterunner]

Okay, I think it says Kendall in the will and is a mistake and should say Randle!

[kiterunner]

FamilySearch has the baptism of Reijnier Tijlor 17 Jul 1785 Amsterdam, parents George Tijlor and Geertruij de Winter. The image is available free on the Amsterdam archives website:
https://archief.amsterdam/indexen/doopregisters_1564-1811/zoek/query.nl.pl?v1=Reijnier&a1=&d2=17&m2=7&y2=1785&utm_source=OpenArchieven&utm_medium=browser&utm_campaign=OpenData#000000050544

Not found Ann / Hannah's baptism yet though.

[kiterunner]

There is a Joseph Tijler on FamilySearch, born 13 Sep 1780, baptised 17 Sep 1780 at Haarlem, Noord-Holland, Netherlands, same parents as Reijnier.

[kiterunner]

Also John Taylor, baptised 27 May 1793 Amsterdam, parents George Taylor and Geertruide de Winter. And Charles Taylor, baptised 3 Feb 1788 Amsterdam, parents George Taylor and Geertrude de Winter. Still not found Ann though!

[Phoenix]

Wow, thanks, Kite!

A son called George makes even more sense in that context.

If I can get hold of the Death Duty registers, they will show the surname in a different hand, which hopefully will say what I want!

[crawfie]

Ann Taylor daughter of Charles and Gertrude de Winter baptised 2 feb 1790. I'm pretty sure it should be George.

https://archief.amsterdam/indexen/doopregisters_1564-1811/zoek/query.nl.pl?i1=1&a1=taijlor&x=19&z=a#000000061737

[crawfie]

Another son for George and Gertrude, Wouterus Henricus bap.16 Feb 1783, Amsterdam

[kiterunner]

Well done, Crawfie!

[crawfie]

Found the marriage: George Taylor, Widower, married Geertruy de Winter, from Alkmaar, 2 April 1780 in Haarlem. Application was made 19 March. Witnesses were William Kent and Maria Fritsen.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-99QV-B9QH-3?i=385&cc=2037985

[Phoenix]

Oh wow! That is amazing! Thank you so much, both of you.

[Janet]

Ann Taylor daughter of Charles and Gertrude de Winter baptised 2 feb 1790. I'm pretty sure it should be George.

https://archief.amsterdam/indexen/doopregisters_1564-1811/zoek/query.nl.pl?i1=1&a1=taijlor&x=19&z=a#000000061737

Yes. You probably already saw this but I'll point out that directly to the left of this entry on the opposing page, there is the entry for "Charles, son of George Taylor and Gertrude..." so it's pretty easy to imagine how the writer slipped the wrong name, Charles instead of George, into Ann's record.

[Tiggy Walls]

Thank you all so much for your help and tips. I have now found baptisms for John, Charles Reynier, Wouteris and Joseph Ranging from 1780 to 1793. Still no Ann or Hannah. Also have found Reynier Taylor living in Stamford hill up to his death in 1857.
All the help has been appreciated
Tiggy

[Tiggy Walls]

I think the entry for Ann with the "wrong" father could be correct person.

[Phoenix]

I have, at last, triumphed and failed!

Triumphed, because I finally got to see the microfilm, and the initial letter IS R, failed because the images I copied did not get through to my mailbox.

Being Death Duties, there are so many additional pieces of information, including what look like dates of death for some of the children!