William McAlarney

[Joy Dean]

I am trying to work out who is this William McAlarney who served in the Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers as in https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?_phsrc=SHr1895&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&gss=angs-c&new=1&rank=1&msT=1&gsfn=William&gsfn_x=0&gsln=McAlarney&gsln_x=0&msbdy=1898&cpxt=1&cp=11&catbucket=rstp&MSAV=1&uidh=pu7&pcat=39&h=333515&recoff=5%206&dbid=5119&indiv=1&ml_rpos=1

and whether or not he may be connected to my family.

There is a William McAlarney in a passenger list in 1923 in ancestry and find my past
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/2997/40610_B001003-00035?pid=48072441&backurl=https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?_phsrc%3DSHr1911%26_phstart%3DsuccessSourc e%26usePUBJs%3Dtrue%26gss%3Dangs-c%26new%3D1%26rank%3D1%26gsfn%3DWilliam%26gsfn_x%3 D0%26gsln%3DMcAlarney%26gsln_x%3D0%26msbdy%3D1898% 26cpxt%3D1%26cp%3D11%26catbucket%3Drstp%26MSAV%3D1 %26uidh%3Dpu7%26pcat%3DIMG_PASSLISTS%26h%3D4807244 1%26recoff%3D7%26dbid%3D2997%26indiv%3D1%26ml_rpos %3D1&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=SHr1911&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true
https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=tna%2fbt27%2f1004%2f00%2f0003%2fp%2f0009 f&parentid=tna%2fbt27%2f1004000003%2f00254&highlights=%22%22

but his name is crossed out!

There is a William McAlarney in both the 1901 and 1911 census in Ireland, with his sister Jane and widowed mother Mary, in Co. Cavan
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cavan/Cavan_Urban/Railway_Road/339946/

I have not found a birth registration for him.

There is a death registration for a William McAlarney age 46 in 1931, Chelsea registration district.

[kiterunner]

There is also William John McAlarney, age 15 on the 1901 Irish census at Lisnaskea / Lisnaskee, Co Fermanagh:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Fermanagh/Lisnaskee/Lisnaskea/1358803/

No birthplaces given for the family. His age would fit with the one who died in 1931.

[kiterunner]

There is a William McAlarney, auctioneer, in Cavan in 1928-9:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/61314/46596_83024005506_0214-01122/63201?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk%2 fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3f_phsrc%3dCzj11323%26_phstart%3dsuc cessSource%26usePUBJs%3dtrue%26db%3direlanddirecto ries%26so%3d2%26pcat%3dROOT_CATEGORY%26gss%3dangs-g%26new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26MS_AdvCB%3d1%26gsfn%3dwil *%26gsfn_x%3d1%26gsln%3dm*calarn*y%26gsln_x%3d1%26 cpxt%3d1%26cp%3d11%26catbucket%3drstp%26MSAV%3d2%2 6MSV%3d1%26uidh%3dvm5&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults

Perhaps the one who was in Cavan on the censuses.

[Joy Dean]

Thank you. Sorry, I should have mentioned that I know about William John McAlarney, age 15 - he and his family are definitely my relatives; some of them go to America.

Thank you, the auctioneer is interesting.

[Joy Dean]

There is also William John McAlarney, age 15 on the 1901 Irish census at Lisnaskea / Lisnaskee, Co Fermanagh:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Fermanagh/Lisnaskee/Lisnaskea/1358803/

No birthplaces given for the family.

He was born in 1885 in Maguires Bridge, Lisnaskea, Fermanagh, his father was Philip, a tailor, and his mother Mary nee Keenan.

[kiterunner]

This is the birth registration of the Lisnaskea one, born 20 Jan 1885 at Maguiresbridge, the son of Phil McAlarney, and Mary McAlarney, formerly Keenan:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1885/02656/1979362.pdf

Edit - ah, I see you have that already!

[kiterunner]

This is the death reg for Jane McAlarney of Cavan:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1951/04496/4181110.pdf

and this is the Cavan Mary's death reg, in 1918, although her age doesn't fit with the 1911 census:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1918/05194/4434580.pdf
Death registered by son William, residence Railway Rd, Cavan.

[kiterunner]

This could be another child of the same Cavan family - Lizzie, born 1887 (she died young):
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1887/02558/1946222.pdf
Father James McAlarney, a tailor (Mary's death reg said she was a tailor's widow) and mother Mary McAlarney, formerly Reilly.

[kiterunner]

This is James and Mary's marriage record. I can never understand why it takes so long to find certain records on the Irish site. I had to look through Mary Reilly marriages on ancestry to track it down.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1873/11273/8134536.pdf

Not found William's birth reg yet but will have to try again tomorrow if someone else hasn't found it by then.

[Joy Dean]

Thank you very much for all of that; I shall study it carefully.

[kiterunner]

Oh, just realised that the Cavan William is 22 on the 1901 census, so he would have been born about 1878-1879. I don't think all Irish births were registered at that time, so maybe he isn't to be found.

[Joy Dean]

Oh I do hope his birth was registered :) and I do hope that he was the one in the WW1 site, and I do hope he is the one in the death registration I saw.

That James, widower, who married Mary, spinster, I think has to be a brother to my Philip, who was a tailor, and to my Susan (my great-great-grandmother) because their father is William, a tailor, too.

[kiterunner]

I would have thought the WW1 soldier and the Chelsea death were unlikely to be the same person as each other, because the passenger list has William McAlarney, private in the Royal Fusiliers, age 25, in 1923, and the 1931 Chelsea death is age 46. So I thought the one on the passenger list was probably the Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers one. Who would be too young to be the William from Cavan.

The age of the Chelsea death one fits with Philip's son, doesn't it? Or is he ruled out?

[Joy Dean]

I would have thought the WW1 soldier and the Chelsea death were unlikely to be the same person as each other, because the passenger list has William McAlarney, private in the Royal Fusiliers, age 25, in 1923, and the 1931 Chelsea death is age 46. So I thought the one on the passenger list was probably the Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers one. Who would be too young to be the William from Cavan.

The age of the Chelsea death one fits with Philip's son, doesn't it? Or is he ruled out?

Thank you. Was his name not crossed through on the passenger list? All names were ticked except his and one other person whose names were crossed through.
Ages did seem to vary.

[kiterunner]

Yes, his name was crossed through on the passenger list. Probably means he didn't actually make the voyage.

[Joy Dean]

I would have thought the WW1 soldier and the Chelsea death were unlikely to be the same person as each other, because the passenger list has William McAlarney, private in the Royal Fusiliers, age 25, in 1923, and the 1931 Chelsea death is age 46. So I thought the one on the passenger list was probably the Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers one. Who would be too young to be the William from Cavan.

The age of the Chelsea death one fits with Philip's son, doesn't it? Or is he ruled out?

Philip's son was born in 1885; he went to America, and he is in the Navy in the USA 1910 census; I must look at him again.

[kiterunner]

The National Archives of Ireland has a file titled: Private William McAlarney, Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers: desertion. Dated Sep 1923-Nov 1923.
http://www.nationalarchives.ie/search-the-archives/

[Joy Dean]

The National Archives of Ireland has a file titled: Private William McAlarney, Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers: desertion. Dated Sep 1923-Nov 1923.
http://www.nationalarchives.ie/search-the-archives/

Oh well done for finding that, thank you.
It won't let me open it. I'll try again.

Anyway, so there are probably three Williams then:- the soldier, Philip's son (who may or may not have died in London) and James's son in Cavan.

[kiterunner]

Looks like it, yes.

Sorry my link doesn't work. It seems you will have to search for Mcalarney on their site and then the details of the file should come up (ref no is TSCH/3/S3289).

Here is info on how to order a copy of a file:
http://www.nationalarchives.ie/services/service-for-our-visitors/obtain-copies-of-archives/

[Joy Dean]

Looks like it, yes.

Sorry my link doesn't work. It seems you will have to search for Mcalarney on their site and then the details of the file should come up (ref no is TSCH/3/S3289).

Here is info on how to order a copy of a file:
http://www.nationalarchives.ie/services/service-for-our-visitors/obtain-copies-of-archives/


Thank you. I am having a little difficulty in working out how much it would cost; once I have done that, then it will be working out cost viability, and whether to ask a researcher in Dublin to obtain it for me from the National Archives.

[Joy Dean]

This William just could be the father of my great-great-grandmother and her siblings! :) https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1883/06361/4825138.pdf

[kiterunner]

Oh yes, looks good.

[Joy Dean]

Oh yes, looks good.

Thank you. One day, hopefully, I shall make proper written / typed notes about my family; in the meantime I shall keep looking here to try to make sense of them, who they are and where they came from :)

Just found another relative: Winifred https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1885/06296/4804585.pdf

[Joy Dean]

This is James and Mary's marriage record. I can never understand why it takes so long to find certain records on the Irish site. I had to look through Mary Reilly marriages on ancestry to track it down.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1873/11273/8134536.pdf

Not found William's birth reg yet but will have to try again tomorrow if someone else hasn't found it by then.


And here is James's death registration: https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1900/05744/4621749.pdf
He just missed the 1901 census.