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can't find how my gran got glasgow from Lithuania in 1888'ish .any info. would help; Dairutis or previously Rawlicki
Welcome to the forum sonsteam.
Did your grandmother marry Alexander Mitchell in 1908? This is the index entry from ScotlandsPeople.
DAIRUTIS MARY MITCHELL ALEXANDER 1908 644/1 215 215 Bridgeton
Do you have a copy of this certificate (assuming this is your grandmother)
From your opening post, did you mean she had been married before and her maiden name was Rawlicki? Do you know when or where she married the first time?
I can't find any sign of her on the 1901 or 1891 Scottish census. What led you to believe she had arrived in Scotland by 1888?
Oh I've just seen a visitor message on your profile page which says:
looking for a Dairutis in the Bridgeton area of Glasgow around the 1900's born I believe in1888
So she was born about 1888 rather than a move to Glasgow at that date. I think it's likely she moved to Scotland between 1901 and 1908.
So, if she was only around 20 years of age when she married it's probably unlikely (but not impossible) that she had been previously married. When did she have the name Rawlicki?
There's an Antanas Dairutis who married in Glasgow in 1910. I wondered if he could be connected?
All these Scottish Mitchell death registrations have mother's maiden name recorded as Dairutis. If they are Mary's children then that suggests her surname was Dairutis at birth.
Surname Forename Age at death Year.. Ref ......RD Name
MITCHELL ALEXANDER 77 ..........1989 605/ 71 Glasgow, Martha St..... aka Alexander Morris
MITCHELL THERESA ....73...........1990 590/ 55 Rutherglen..................aka Theresa Reaper
MITCHELL MARY..........85...........1994 606/ 364 Glasgow, Martha St
MITCHELL ANNIE.........68...........1996 610/ 630 Glasgow, Martha St
MITCHELL ELIZABETH..67...........1999 609/ 347 Glasgow, Martha St
MITCHELL VICTOR.......81...........2003 505/ 123 Dumbarton
MITCHELL ANELLIA......97...........2015 590/ 868 Rutherglen................aka Anellia Rainey. Also separate index entries with forename Amelia
From googling I found a posting suggesting the family lived at 498 Baltic street Glasgow in the late 1890s.
I have found Alexander Mitchell as the Tennant/Occupier at that address on the valuation rolls in 1915, 1920, 1925 and 1930 (the last one available), but not in 1905 or before that (there is no 1910 roll available).
Oooh, this family appear on the 1881 Scottish Census return:
498 Baltic Street, Glasgow
Hugh Mitchell head married aged 39 occ drawer and twister born Kilbarchan, Renfrewshire
Margaret Mitchell wife married aged 36 born ditto
Helen Mitchell daughter single aged 16 occ steam loom weaver born ditto
James Mitchell son aged 6 born Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Bella Mitchell daughter aged 3 born ditto
In 1891 they were at 524 Baltic Street and had two further children, William 7 and Maggie 3. I was hoping they would have a son, Alexander, but no such luck!
In 1901 they were at 462 Baltic Street.
Of course Mitchell is a pretty common name, so the 1881 census could just be a red herring!
Ancestry has a Maryanna Dairutis aged 20 yrs, (b.abt 1888) ethnicity Russian, single, residence Slabadu, leaving Hamburg 28 Mar 1908, arr. Grimsby on the 'Staveley' (English flag)
That's brilliant! I only have UK ancestry and I don't have that entry even though the arrival is in part of the UK!
I had some credits so I looked at the marriage. The maiden name of Mary Dairutis's mother was Rawlicki.
Both Alexander (age 22) coal miner, bachelor,and Mary (age 20), spinster, 'made their mark' on the certificate, which was witnessed by Michael Hughes.
Residence was given as 164 Main St Bridgetown, Glasgow
Alexander's parents were Justan Mitchell, farmer, deceased and Bonigna Mitchell, M.S. Nacaiezuwna (handwriting is very clear, so exactly as written)
Mary's parents were Ignotus Dairutis, farmer and Ona Dairutis, m.S. Rawlicki.
Witnesses were Michael Hughes, Joseph Poloskis (his mark), Mary Carponici (her mark)
The marriage took place on 24 Oct 1908 at the Sacred Heart chapel, Glasgow, after publication (of Banns?) according to the forms of the Roman Catholic church. Likely Michael Hughes was the officiating minister.
Marriage registered 28 Oct 1908 at Glasgow, W.H. Black regr.
Possibly also located Mary working as a dairymaid in 1911.
Can send images if an email address is PM'd to me
Given the oddity of Alexander's mother's maiden name, might she be related/connected to Mary's family?
Very possibly. I'm not seeing any sign of Justan or Bonigna in Scotland at all (only searched briefly though!)
Macbev, please could you have a look at the passenger lists for them? :D:D:D
This must be the death of Alexander.
MITCHELL ALEXANDER aged 95 died 1982 ref 609/ 43 Glasgow, Martha St
This much of his mmn matches with what was on the marriage cert: Nacaiezu* I think that's enough of a match!
oooh, maybe Mitchell is just an Anglicised version of Alexander's surname? When Alex's death was registered there was a second index entry for him with surname Miciulis.
I bet this is Mary/Maryanna Dairutis's death record, even if I can't see an entry in the name Mitchell!
MICIULIS MARIJONA 61 1949 644/6 350 Townhead
There are entries for Miciulis on USA censuses, indicating the birthplace is Lithuania. Looks like the families emigrated....but I've not yet found them on the passenger lists. Still plugging away
lol I have to go out now, so not ignoring!
The passenger list I found the Dairutis entry was the Hamburg Passenger lists 1850-1934 - likely not available on your Ancestry sub. Haven't found any of the other names there.
Slabadu mentioned as Mary's place of origin seems to be currently spelled 'Slabadai'....a very few entries on google.
It is perfectly possible neither sets of parents emigrated...will look to see if I can find a 1911 entry for Mary& Alex on S.P
I think their first child, Mary, should be with them if the age at death I posted earlier on here is correct. I don't often use SP as I don't have any Scottish ancestry, and I find it really frustration that there are so few search criteria available.
There are entries for Miciulis on USA censuses, indicating the birthplace is Lithuania. Looks like the families emigrated....but I've not yet found them on the passenger lists. Still plugging away
I see some of those have alternative name Mitchell. For instance on Family Search there is:
Anthony Miciulis Or Mitchell
Illinois, Northern District Naturalization Index, 1840-1950
birth: 15 Jun 1888 Russia
Arrived in US 8 Mar 1909 New York
naturalization: 14 Oct 1915 Chicago, Illinois
I guess this is very likely to be Alexander's brother?
There's also this couple on the US 1940 census:
Kazimera Miciuhis Head M 61 b Lithuania
Anna Miciulis Wife F 50 b Lithuania
...their children are listed as Mitchell.
Not found anything really definitive on the 1911 census so far....and not very willing to use up more credits on what might be a wild goose chase. I think it unlikely the families will appear on earlier censuses. Wonder why Mary left Lithuania? Something important happening in 1908?
There is one private tree on Ancestry that has an Alex Miciulis b.1886....might be worth while trying to make contact. But not tonight I'm off for some shut-eye :)
I agree. It looks like it was just Alex and Mary who came to Glasgow (Mary in 1908 and Alex most likely around the same time), whilst some of the rest of his family went to America.
I will try sending a message to sonsteam as he/she hasn't been back here since the initial posting.
It would appear things were looking up for Catholics in Lithuania in the period before they left:
Lithuania's nationalist movement continued to grow. During the 1905 Russian Revolution, a large congress of Lithuanian representatives in Vilnius known as the Great Seimas of Vilnius demanded provincial autonomy for Lithuania (by which they meant the northwestern portion of the former Grand Duchy of Lithuania) on 5 December of that year. The tsarist regime made a number of concessions as the result of the 1905 uprising. The Baltic states once again were permitted to use their native languages in schooling and public discourse, and Catholic churches were built in Lithuania. Latin characters replaced the Cyrillic alphabet that had been forced upon Lithuanians for four decades. But not even Russian liberals were prepared to concede autonomy similar to that that had already existed in Estonia and Latvia, albeit under Baltic German hegemony. Many Baltic Germans looked toward aligning the Baltics (Lithuania and Courland in particular) with Germany.
There is this too though:
Between 1868 and 1914, approximately 635,000 people, almost 20 percent of the population, left Lithuania. Lithuanian cities and towns were growing under the Russian rule, but the country remained underdeveloped by the European standards and job opportunities were limited; many Lithuanians left also for the industrial centers of the Russian Empire, such as Riga and Saint Petersburg. Many of Lithuania's cities were dominated by non-Lithuanian-speaking Jews and Poles
garstonite
14-09-17, 05:56
is this just a visit to see his family or a different Alexander because he is with Agatha?
http://www.rootspoint.com/record/1940-US-Census/Alexander-Miciulis-1881-Lithuania-Russia/a4274b82-e97a-4d12-98ab-f311f4572b23/
kiterunner
14-09-17, 08:35
The Alexander Miciulis who you found on the 1940 census was naturalised as a US citizen in 1925, Allan, and arrived in the US in 1907.
.thanks for reply no good at this computer stuff yet but hopefully a marriage print sent
Did your grandmother marry Alexander Mitchell in 1908? This is the index entry from ScotlandsPeople.
DAIRUTIS MARY MITCHELL ALEXANDER 1908 644/1 215 215 Bridgeton
Do you have a copy of this certificate (assuming this is your grandmother)
From your opening post, did you mean she had been married before and her maiden name was Rawlicki? Do you know when or where she married the first time?
I can't find any sign of her on the 1901 or 1891 Scottish census. What led you to believe she had arrived in Scotland by 1888?[/QUOTE]
From googling I found a posting suggesting the family lived at 498 Baltic street Glasgow in the late 1890s.
I have found Alexander Mitchell as the Tennant/Occupier at that address on the valuation rolls in 1915, 1920, 1925 and 1930 (the last one available), but not in 1905 or before that (there is no 1910 roll available).
Sonstream, if you look at post #9, you will see the marriage details I found on Scotland's People, which I believe is for your Mary Dairutis to Alexander Mitchell. If you do not already have this, I can send the image to you if you can send me a PM with your email address
many thanks for all help -when I was doodling I thought maybe my great granddad/ma came here to Glasgow direct from Lithuania but got prompts stating sciarva st. banbridge Donegal and having an Irish mum from Carrigans: couldn't say if the two are connected
but got prompts stating sciarva st. banbridge Donegal
What do you mean by 'got prompts'?
prompts- been on ancestry on to see what my Irish line would say! but couldn't get past 1911; even have address when my dad left Glasgow for Dumbarton in 1950 but local library has no record
Ancestry has a Maryanna Dairutis aged 20 yrs, (b.abt 1888) ethnicity Russian, single, residence Slabadu, leaving Hamburg 28 Mar 1908, arr. Grimsby on the 'Staveley' (English flag)
I think your original assumption that your gt grandmother came direct from Lithuania to Scotland is probably correct, if the above passenger record is your ggmother. It fits very well with the 1908 marriage in Glasgow to Alexander Mitchell (Slabadu/Slabadai is a village in Lithuania, then under Russian rule)
not necessary to send image of 1908 marriage but the Diary maid bit is new - thanks
We don't know the dairymaid is her (do we Bev?)! It was a possible. You would have to purchase the 1911 census page to find out.
I don't know if we know whether Mary's husband and first child appear on that same census page or not?
ta. but trying to gather as info about my European family before I go see nieces in OZ. as they know zero about where they came from and this sounds plausible .got my dads birth records in 498 Baltic street; only thing that puzzled me was her coming over single when I presume mum/dad were already here
It doesn't look as if her parents came with her and if they were already here they probably arrived and left again between 1901 and 1911. Personally, I don't think they came to Scotland. She may have travelled with other family with a different surname or alone.
If you could find them on the 1911 census then you might get a better idea of their birthplaces.
I had another look at the dairymaid Mary Mitchell. She was about the right age but was married for 4 yrs....and birthplace was in Lanark -so not your Mary. Sorry :(
Plenty of Alex Mitchells the right age, but without being able to screen for occupation, or knowing where he lived in 1911, can't get enough specifics. I tried adding 'Mary' as a person expected to be in the same household, but brought up no results. As Merry commented earlier, Scotland's People doesn't allow many search fields.
We don't know the dairymaid is her (do we Bev?)! It was a possible. You would have to purchase the 1911 census page to find out.
I don't know if we know whether Mary's husband and first child appear on that same census page or not?
I have that page, Merry....but no, there are no other Mitchells mentioned. Think it was a red herring ;( , created when I looked for someone of the right age.
As far as birth places go, the Hamburg passenger list indicated Mary came from Slabadu/Slabadai
Am I right there's no way to search the Scottish census including any part of the address? (they may have been at Baltic Street)
kiterunner
14-09-17, 17:59
Do you mean the 1911 census specifically, Merry?
Sorry yes, I know how to search the others, just not the census that's only on SP :o
kiterunner
14-09-17, 18:55
As far as I can see, there is no way then, unless you can find someone at the same address that you want or a very close house number by googling or something, and look them up. But that would be no use if you don't know which house number you want to look at, as it would be expensive to browse through pages and pages! The help info on "searching by place" just tells you how to select a district on the name search. It wouldn't do any good finding a street index giving reference numbers as there is no reference number search. But here is a link to the 1911 street index, anyway:
https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/files//research/census-records/street-indexes/1911/1911-glasgow.pdf
Is there not much interest in "researching the history of your house" in Scotland, I wonder?
I also wonder whether ancestry, FMP, etc will ever get the 1911 Scottish census. It's a long time since it was released on SP.
Edit - wait! If you search for Mitchell in Bridgeton, then look at the free results list, it gives census references. So presumably those are related to the reference nos on the street index? 644/1 I get, but the results list has two numbers after that, and the street list only one (the ref numbers for Baltic Street being 10, 38, 42, 49, 52, and 57.) Hmmm. I guess the first of the two numbers on the results list would be the number from the street index, and the second one the household number?
So, we could look through 807 Mitchells in Bridgeton and see which ones have the Baltic Street reference numbers?
kiterunner
14-09-17, 19:06
Sorry, I've edited the above a few times - you might need to re-read it now!
So initially we are looking for 498 Baltic Street. On that street list it says:
Baltic Street 484-536 Reg district 644/1 No 57
So if I look at Mitchells in Bridgeton aged between 18 and 28 (looking for Alex and Mary) I don't find any with 57 anywhere in the ref, so presumably that means they are not yet at that address (they were there in 1915) or they have been mis-transcribed etc?
What about:
MITCHELL ALEXANDER 1911 M 25 644/3 40/ 16 Calton Lanark
MITCHELL MARY 1911 F 24 644/3 40/ 16 Calton Lanark
MITCHELL MARY 1911 F 2 644/3 40/ 16 Calton Lanark
Does that mean they are living at Canning St 3-47 (odd)?
.... but then 16 can't be the house number as it's not an odd number!
Could this birth reg be their first daughter? (only going by the similar numbers and the fact that she's a plain Mary where others in the same area all have middle names that don't seem likely as they are Scottish surnames)
MITCHELL MARY F 1909 644/3 1220 Calton (Glasgow)
kiterunner
14-09-17, 21:48
Does that mean they are living at Canning St 3-47 (odd)?
.... but then 16 can't be the house number as it's not an odd number!
I don't think that number is the actual house number, but the household schedule number.
Looks pretty good, Merry. Here's 6 credits worth of census.
1911 Calton: Glasgow
169 Gr Hamilton St:
Alexr Mitchell;Head;25;mar;coal miner, underground;b. Poland; Nat. Brit. Subject
Mary Mitchell;wife;24;mar;3 yrs; 1 child born, still living;b. Poland;Nat. Brit. Subject
Mary Mitchell; Daur;2 yrs;b. Glasgow Lanarkshire
Anthon Mitchell; brother;25;single;coal miner, underground;b. Poland; Nat. Brit.Subject
Alexander Auxon;boarder;25;single;coal miner, underground;b. Poland;Nat. Brit.Subject
Anthon Shlakes;boarder;20;single;coal miner, underground;b. Poland; Russian[?] Pole
That ties in with Alex being a coal miner on the mar.cert. Lithuania seems to have been alternating under Russian and Polish rule prior to WWI. You have already found an Anthon Miciulis you thought might be a brother......dunno about the ages -are they twins? Off to look at passenger lists between Scotland and USA.Mary and daughter are appropriate ages.
I have the 1911 census image if anyone wants it. Just send me an email address.
Maybe twins, or perhaps Mary filled in the form and didn't know her B-I-L's age? Anyway, at least it's the right people.
169 Gt Hamilton St has it's own individual ref if you are looking at Hamilton Street only on Kate's pdf link, but it's the same ref as Canning St 3-47 (odd) - 644/3 40
So maybe 40 isn't the schedule number but something like the page or folio number? Those two streets did intercept so reasonable to find them on the same page/folio or whatever.
(sorry, I like to know how the numbers work in case they turn out to make a short-cut to the right record!)
There are some period photos of Great Hamilton St and Baltic Street here:
http://www.mitchelllibrary.org/virtualmitchell/index.php
on every reply I saw there was a bit about wdytya Mathew Broderick that I thought might have been something I watched several years back although it's an American production 'Finding your roots series 1 episode 6 with Robert Downey jnr; and Maggie Gyllenhall' presenter Henry Louis Gates
kiterunner
19-09-17, 10:18
The Matthew Broderick thing is just a quote from that episode of WDYTYA which Merry has as her "signature" on here.
lost my old login to S.P. after tracing marriage details so it's all written ;post #3 mentioned a Antanas Dairutis -27 a coal miner who married Antanina NorKaitis given away by a Patrick Diamond also 27 years old;18/November/1910.both addresses given as 169 Great Hamilton Street Glasgow parents of him Ignotus and Annie Dairutis so wouldn't could be parents of the Mary Dairutis I've been looking up the parents of Antanina were Ado (e)lph and Annie Norkatis m.s. Dubicki witnessed by Annie Mitchell
Did the 1910 marriage entry give an occupation for Ignotus Dairutis (father of Antanas Dairutis)?
You say Ignotus and Annie Dairuris "wouldn't could be parents of the Mary Dairutis I've been looking up ", but I don't see why this Ignotus couldn't be the same man as was the father of your grandmother (mentioned in post #9). She (Mary) and Antanas Dairutis could have had different mothers - what was the maiden surname given for Annie Dairutis, the wife of Ignotus and mother of Antanas? I don't think you can dismiss this Ignotus completely at this point.
I wonder who Annie Mitchell was?!
On a different topic.....
Whilst looking again ScotlandsPeople I noticed these people who also may be connected with your family:
Two births:
RAULICKAS ANNIE F 1909 644/1 217 Bridgeton
RAULICKAS KASIMIR M 1911 644/1 1162 Bridgeton
and on the 1911 census (I don't know if all these were at the same address - this is just the order they appear in the index):
RAULICKAS ANTANAS 1911 M 10 644/1 2/ 22 Bridgeton Lanark
RAULICKAS LINCAS 1911 M 644/1 2/ 22 Bridgeton Lanark
RAULICKAS ANE 1911 F 2 644/1 2/ 22 Bridgeton Lanark
RAULICKAS JOZAR 1911 M 644/1 2/ 22 Bridgeton Lanark
RAULICKAS AGOTA 1911 F 33 644/1 2/ 22 Bridgeton Lanark
RAULICKAS ANTANAS 1911 M 34 644/1 2/ 22 Bridgeton Lanark
What does that mean?
I know the Dairutis family used Mitchell as an alternative surname, but do we know who Annie Mitchell was?
Mary from Italy
04-10-17, 13:41
Just in case anybody didn't realise, "Ignotus" is Latin for "unknown", so I would guess Antanas was illegitimate.
kiterunner
04-10-17, 14:09
Couldn't "Annie" be an Anglicisation of "Ona"?
Just in case anybody didn't realise, "Ignotus" is Latin for "unknown", so I would guess Antanas was illegitimate.
I didn't know that. So, I'm confused about the details in #9 now. How do we have unknown father with surname Dairutis and mother Ona Dairutis, m.s. Rawlicki?
Couldn't "Annie" be an Anglicisation of "Ona"?
I wondered about that. That's why I wanted to know what the maiden surname was on the 1910 marriage entry. Now I'm confused about the father though. Unknown or just unknown forename?
Just in case anybody didn't realise, "Ignotus" is Latin for "unknown", so I would guess Antanas was illegitimate.thanks mary:not up on my latin but got a marriage cert. where Antanas tied the knot with an Antanina
Couldn't "Annie" be an Anglicisation of "Ona"?
just seen your post k/r had that same thought most of the afternoon same as the names might be curtailed in some way.
another thing the address 169 great Hamilton street although it says Glasgow can only find it in paisley but I can't believe it as my brother lived in stock street
just seen your post k/r had that same thought most of the afternoon same as the names might be curtailed in some way.
another thing the address 169 great Hamilton street although it says Glasgow can only find it in paisley but I can't believe it as my brother lived in stock street
Great Hamilton St in Glasgow no longer exists. It is not the street in Paisley. See posts #49 and #51 (I had presumed you had realised the address was the same!!??)
thanks mary:not up on my latin but got a marriage cert. where Antanas tied the knot with an Antanina
Please can you tell us the maiden surname of Annie Dairutis, mother of Antanas.
Please can you tell us the maiden surname of Annie Dairutis, mother of Antanas.
I believe it to be Raulinatis
I didn't know that. So, I'm confused about the details in #9 now. How do we have unknown father with surname Dairutis and mother Ona Dairutis, m.s. Rawlicki?
I wondered about that. That's why I wanted to know what the maiden surname was on the 1910 marriage entry. Now I'm confused about the father though. Unknown or just unknown forename?
The marriage cert for Alexander Mitchell and Mary Dairutis in 1908 is pretty straightforward. Both parties give their address as 164 main St Bridgeton Glasgow (though that could be just for the purposes of the marriage, and not necessarily where they lived prior to the wedding. Neither party could write, so their marks were witnessed. Mary's parents are said to be Ignotus Dairutis. 'Ignotus' may be Latin for 'Unknown', but can it also be a Lithuanian forename? He was a farmer and no indication he was deceased at the time of marriage, unlike Alexander's father. Mary's mother's maiden name was Rawlicki, forename Ona. All details as listed in post #9
I bet this is Mary/Maryanna Dairutis's death record, even if I can't see an entry in the name Mitchell!
MICIULIS MARIJONA 61 1949 644/6 350 Townhead
I've checked out this death and don't think it is Mary Mitchell nee Dairutis. This one was the daughter of Karz[? 'g']imiera Miciulis, farmer, dec. and Barbara Miciulis M.S. Masaiciuto, dec. Marojona was married twice
1. Alexander Sambrauckas, coalminer
2.Wincas Kerevicius, chemical works boiler man
Writing is a little hard to read, so willing to send the image if anyone wants to have a go...but I truly think this death is not that of Mary, wife of Alexander Mitchell.
OK fair enough! Perhaps sonsteam knows when his/her grandmother died.
I was just wondering why I had posted that MICIULIS death reg, but I see it's because of the info I posted in #12 and 13!
The marriage cert for Alexander Mitchell and Mary Dairutis in 1908 is pretty straightforward. Both parties give their address as 164 main St Bridgeton Glasgow (though that could be just for the purposes of the marriage, and not necessarily where they lived prior to the wedding. Neither party could write, so their marks were witnessed. Mary's parents are said to be Ignotus Dairutis. 'Ignotus' may be Latin for 'Unknown', but can it also be a Lithuanian forename? He was a farmer and no indication he was deceased at the time of marriage, unlike Alexander's father. Mary's mother's maiden name was Rawlicki, forename Ona. All details as listed in post #9I'd been following the 1908 line all along but found a possible brother of young Mary later for 1910 that's why Ignotus (farmer) stayed and now instead of Ona we've got Annie Dairutis nee Raulinatis @169 gt. Hamilton street glasgow
kiterunner
05-10-17, 09:02
This is my transcription of the Antanas / Antanina marriage cert:
1910 Marriages in the district of Calton in the burgh of Glasgow
1910 18th Nov at St Mary's Chapel Glasgow, after publication according to the forms of the Roman Catholic Church
Signed, Antanas Dairutis, coal miner, bachelor, 27, 169 Great Hamilton Street Glasgow, parents Ignotas Dairutis, farmer, and Annie Dairutis MS Raulinutis
Signed, Antanina Norkaitis, X her mark, spinster, 27, 169 Great Hamilton Street Glasgow, parents Adolf Norkaitis, farmer, and Annie Norkaitis MS Dubicki (deceased)
Witnesses: Joseph Carpel X his mark, Annie Mitchell.
Patrick J Diamond is officiating minister and witness to all the X's.
yep that's the S.P. document I've got just could'nt resize it for sending
Wish I knew how Lithuanian naming conventions work. (I'm wondering here if 'Raulinatis' might be the Latinised version of Rawlicki). I am familiar with odd things happening to names in Irish records and wonder if the priest did a bit of name conversion on his own bat.
I can well see 'Ona' becoming 'Annie'.
Seems very likely to me, Bev.
kiterunner
05-10-17, 13:16
lost my old login to S.P. after tracing marriage details so it's all written ;post #3 mentioned a Antanas Dairutis -27 a coal miner who married Antanina NorKaitis given away by a Patrick Diamond also 27 years old;18/November/1910.both addresses given as 169 Great Hamilton Street Glasgow parents of him Ignotus and Annie Dairutis so wouldn't could be parents of the Mary Dairutis I've been looking up the parents of Antanina were Ado (e)lph and Annie Norkatis m.s. Dubicki witnessed by Annie Mitchell
At last I understand what you mean about "given away by a Patrick Diamond". He was the minister who married them.
kiterunner
05-10-17, 13:28
I would think that Ona Rawlicki is the same person as Annie Raulinatis.
kiterunner
05-10-17, 13:35
This could be Antanas on the Hamburg Passenger Lists:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/1068/K_1781_080540-0578/1191130?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk %2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3dHamburgPL_full%26gss%3dsfs28_ ms_db%26new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26msT%3d1%26MS_AdvCB%3d 1%26gsln%3dda*rut*%26gsln_x%3d1%26MSAV%3d2%26uidh% 3dvm5&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults
31 Oct 1903 the "Olivia" from Hamburg to London: Anton Dairuty, age 23, single, from Slabada (I think it says), intended destination Glasgow.
kiterunner
05-10-17, 13:47
Found this death, though it won't help much:
Antonina Norkaitis death 1947 Gorbals, age 65, other surname Dairutis.
kiterunner
05-10-17, 13:56
I've been trying to find Antanas and Antanina on the 1911 census but no luck yet. There is the birth of a Ggedeminas Dairutis in Calton, Glasgow, in 1911, with his name spelt Jedeminas on his death reg in 1967 Rutherglen (age 56). The death index doesn't show his mother's maiden name but he could be a son of Antanas and Antanina. Of course we don't know whether he was born before or after census night unless you look at his birth cert. I can't find him on the 1911 census either anyway!
This could be Antanas on the Hamburg Passenger Lists:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/1068/K_1781_080540-0578/1191130?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk %2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3dHamburgPL_full%26gss%3dsfs28_ ms_db%26new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26msT%3d1%26MS_AdvCB%3d 1%26gsln%3dda*rut*%26gsln_x%3d1%26MSAV%3d2%26uidh% 3dvm5&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults
31 Oct 1903 the "Olivia" from Hamburg to London: Anton Dairuty, age 23, single, from Slabada (I think it says), intended destination Glasgow.
That would be consistent with the entry I found for Maryanna Dairutis in post#7
'Maryanna Dairutis aged 20 yrs, (b.abt 1888) ethnicity Russian, single, residence Slabadu, leaving Hamburg 28 Mar 1908, arr. Grimsby on the 'Staveley' (English flag)
Slabada or even Slabadai looks promising co's that last place Slabadu googled in the philipenes but this seems to be in Lithuania
Mary from Italy
05-10-17, 15:42
This is interesting:
IGNOTAS m Lithuanian
Variant form of Ignacijus, which is the Lithuanian form of Ignatius. This name is not to be confused with Ignotus.
https://www.behindthename.com/submit/names/usage/lithuanian/2
So the farmer's real name could actually be Ignotas.
Slabada or even Slabadai looks promising co's that last place Slabadu googled in the philipenes but this seems to be in Lithuania
Slabadu is a café in the Philippines, so you can forget about that! Slabada and Slabadai are both in Lithuania, but about 50km apart.
Slabada or even Slabadai looks promising co's that last place Slabadu googled in the philipenes but this seems to be in Lithuania
When I looked up Slabadu in Lithuania, all the above variants were given.....so not restricted to the Philippines :)
lol That's not helpful given Slabada and Slabadai seems to be different places some distance apart - if they are all name variants for each other how does the postman cope?!! :D
even seen it could have been a Harry Potter character
not been ignoring; have been down under these last few weeks but now have extra info. i.e. official death form of alexander (formerly aleksander) Mitchell (formerly Micilius) widowed d.o.b. 17/9/1886 95 years old died in Belvidere hospital,glasgow 1982; usual residence- 49 Glamis Road,glasgow. married also to a Barbara Katkate ((64 years old) 3/8/1951 she died in 1954 then there's a marriage to a Magdaline Pocavice (70 years old) 16/12/1955; no death date for magdaline or any news of Mary Dairutis after 1923 but believe that's as far as I can get
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