John Llewellin's marriage

[Phoenix]

I am trying to find the marriage of Ann Cooper - born 1775, Holmes Fen, Cambridge - to John Llewellin, of whom I know no more than that he was dead by 1817, by which time Ann was a widow in Camberwell.

In 1851, Ann was visiting relations in Norfolk, but in 1841 she was a female servant to Ann Powell of 8 Queens Row, Grove Lane, Camberwell.

I drew a bow at venture, and looked at Ann Powell's PCC will

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/5111/40611_309749-00417/9999?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk%2f cgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3f_phsrc%3dhQY4685%26_phstart%3dsucc essSource%26usePUBJs%3dtrue%26db%3dcanturburyprero gativecourt%26so%3d2%26pcat%3d36%26gss%3dangs-c%26new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26msT%3d1%26MS_AdvCB%3d1%26 gsfn%3dANN%26gsfn_x%3dNN%26gsln%3dPOWELL%26gsln_x% 3dNP_NN%26cpxt%3d1%26cp%3d4%26catbucket%3dr%26MSAV %3d2%26MSV%3d1%26uidh%3d9vh&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults

She left Ann Llewellin £300. She was probably lucky not to get the case of stuffed birds and the papier mache table! As AP also mentioned a sister Sarah Bates Powell, I checked her will - in case the Powells and Llewellins are related.

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/5111/40611_311448-00814/105362?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk% 2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3f_phsrc%3dhQY4698%26_phstart%3dsucc essSource%26usePUBJs%3dtrue%26db%3dcanturburyprero gativecourt%26so%3d2%26pcat%3dROOT_CATEGORY%26gss% 3dangs-g%26new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26MS_AdvCB%3d1%26gsfn%3dSAR AH%2bBATES%26gsfn_x%3d1%26gsln%3dPOWELL%26gsln_x%3 dNP_NN%26cp%3d0%26catbucket%3dr%26MSAV%3d2%26MSV%3 d1%26uidh%3d9vh&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults#?imageId=40611_31144 8-00814

No legacies this time, but in 1826 Ann Lewellin was already living at 8 Grove Row, and witnessed the will, together with Mary Ann Bagerley (AL's neice, living at No 3)

Even more exciting is the will of Mary Powell:

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/5111/40611_310468-00239/613835?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk% 2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3dCanturburyPrerogativeCourt%26 gss%3dsfs28_ms_r_db%26new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26MS_AdvC B%3d1%26gsln%3dPOWELL%26gsln_x%3dNP_NN%26gskw%3dCA MBERWELL%26gskw_x%3d1%26MSAV%3d2%26MSV%3d1%26uidh% 3d9vh&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults#?imageId=40611_31046 8-00239

She also leaves a legacy to Ann Llewellin OTHERWISE WATSON. She mentions Sarah Cooper (another of AL's neices) and her will is witnessed by Susannah Bagerley of No 3 (a third neice)

So *draws in a huge breath*

Can anyone spot Ann Llewellin nee Cooper's marriage? Or do you reckon she married a Watson?

[kiterunner]

Just to add that Mary Powell's will was signed on the 26 Sep 1832 in case we need that date.

[kiterunner]

Not found the marriage yet, but could these be Ann's children and John's burial?

Mary Ann Dr of John Llewellin, Coppersmith, & Ann, born 15 Jun 1800, baptised 10 Aug 1800 St Saviour, Southwark.
John S of John Llewellin, Coppersmith, & Ann, born 3 Oct 1801, baptised 27 Dec 1801 St Saviour, Southwark.
John Lewellin of St Saviours buried 28 Jul 1803 Union Street, Southwark (Independent), age 1 yr 10 months
John Lewellin of St Saviours buried 3 Jul 1804 Union Street, Southwark (Independent), age 30

[Phoenix]

Just to add that Mary Powell's will was signed on the 26 Sep 1832 in case we need that date.

I wonder whether there was nothing sinister in the alias, just giving a servant a name she liked?

[kiterunner]

Oh, just found an old thread about her which we will need to read through:

http://www.genealogistsforum.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=15390

[Phoenix]

Not found the marriage yet, but could these be Ann's children and John's burial?

Mary Ann Dr of John Llewellin, Coppersmith, & Ann, born 15 Jun 1800, baptised 10 Aug 1800 St Saviour, Southwark.
John S of John Llewellin, Coppersmith, & Ann, born 3 Oct 1801, baptised 27 Dec 1801 St Saviour, Southwark.
John Lewellin of St Saviours buried 28 Jul 1803 Union Street, Southwark (Independent), age 1 yr 10 months
John Lewellin of St Saviours buried 3 Jul 1804 Union Street, Southwark (Independent), age 30

Oh, well done, Kite! Entirely possible.

[Phoenix]

Oh my memory, my memory.

For the record,(from the other thread) the Hughes girls are her neices, Mary Ann Bagerley's daughters.

[kiterunner]

There is a John Lewellin / Ann Pugh marriage 1799 Westminster which comes up on FMP but I haven't got a sub to check the image and see whether she was a widow or not. It is on Pallot's Marriage Index on ancestry but doesn't say widow or spinster on there.

[Mary from Italy]

I've checked the image, and they were both OTP, married by banns, marital status not given.
Witnesses John Buffin and Ann Colcraft.

[Phoenix]

They both sign their names, no status given, but the witnesses are John Buffin and Ann Calcraft. Given her track record, I feel fairly sure Ann would have picked family members.

[Phoenix]

Infuriatingly, there is a John Llewellin/Ann Hughes marriage in Bristol - where the Powells had family - in 1802 - but it's transcript only, so I can't tell if it might be her.

[kiterunner]

My CD only has both OTP, by banns, to add to that one (7 Sep 1802, St Paul's). There is also a John Lewellin / Ann Gilbert marriage 14 Jul 1808 at St Nicholas, Bristol, but again, the CD only says both OTP, by banns, no more info.

It looks as though both would be viewable at a FamilySearch Centre on digitised microfilms.

[kiterunner]

Phoenix, did you ever find out how you knew that Ann's husband's name was John? And did you ever get her death certificate? Or her will?

[kiterunner]

By the way, Ann Llewellin's burial is on Deceased Online:

Grave details and 3 other burials £1.50
Burial register scan £2.00
Map of grave location £2.50

[Phoenix]

Well, I've made a start and ordered her will!

I blush to say this is the first online will I've ordered.

[kiterunner]

Let us know when you get it!

[Phoenix]

As an elderly widow with no descendants and a codicil, I am hoping for good things from her will. If she dares to leave it all to Mary Ann Lines I shall be very disappointed in her!

And yes, I will report back!

[Phoenix]

Look what I found!!!!

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/1623/31280_199020-00130/7854007?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk %2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3f_phsrc%3dhQY4873%26_phstart%3dsucc essSource%26usePUBJs%3dtrue%26db%3dlmamarriages%26 so%3d2%26pcat%3d34%26gss%3dangs-c%26new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26MS_AdvCB%3d1%26gsfn%3dann %26gsfn_x%3d1%26gsln%3dwatson%26gsln_x%3d1%26mssng %3dalex*%26mssng_x%3d1%26cp%3d4%26MSAV%3d2%26MSV%3 d1%26uidh%3d9vh%26cpxt%3d1&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults

Marriage of Ann Watson, widow to Alexander Llewellyn in Bermondsey. She was a widow, but a witness was Martha Cooper.

[kiterunner]

Ooh, well done!

[kiterunner]

This could be his burial:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/1624/31280_194453-00354/231170?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk% 2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fgst%3d-6&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults
Alexander Llewelling, adult, 10 Feb 1805, St Olave Bermondsey. Sad if it is him, as it would mean he died within 2 months of the marriage.

[Phoenix]

Oh dear, that is sad. I wonder if she was his nurse? I'm sure there have been briefer marriages, but that is so short.

I notice that a Henry Watson was buried in Bermondsey a couple of years earlier and there is this marriage:

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/1623/31280_199037-00340?pid=4188854&backurl=http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?_phsrc%3DhQY5053%26_phstart%3DsuccessSourc e%26usePUBJs%3Dtrue%26gss%3Dangs-c%26new%3D1%26rank%3D1%26msT%3D1%26MS_AdvCB%3D1%26 gsfn%3Dhenry%26gsfn_x%3DNN%26gsln%3Dwatson%26gsln_ x%3DNP%26mssng%3Dann%26mssng_x%3D1%26mssns%3Dcoope r%26mssns_x%3D1%26cp%3D0%26MSAV%3D2%26uidh%3D9vh%2 6pcat%3D34%26h%3D4188854%26dbid%3D1623%26indiv%3D1 %26ml_rpos%3D1&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=hQY5053&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true


This is "my" Ann Llewellin's signature for comparison, but I don't think there are enough letters to go on.

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/1623/31280_199175-00401/4460753?backurl=https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/46912381/person/6688438073/facts/citation/19616778512/edit/record