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Martha Cook was born in Sheet Hampshire 24 Jun 1849 to Daniel Cook & Sally Philps.
In 1861 Census she is living at home with her parents aged 11.
In 1876 she is already married (George Arnell Prior)
In an 1871 Census, if it is the correct Martha, aged 21 Niece, Unmarried, Cook,
Domestic Servant, born Sheet. All good. But if the Head, Henry & Martha, are her uncle and aunt, I need to know the surname. Although it is typed up as Plaster, I cannot find any association. I don't think the name is Plaster, can anyone decipher it a bit better please?
http://i935.photobucket.com/albums/ad193/joody_anne/Cook%201871%20census_2.jpg
I think it is Plasto, there is a death for Martha Plasto Fareham district Q3 1875.
Thanks Jill, I'll have a look around and see how Martha is a niece of them, there are a couple of Aunts I don't have married (as yet)
Any other suggestions other than Plasto? Doyou think it could be a "K" rather than a "P"?
kiterunner
18-08-17, 22:22
I think it is Plasto - the writing of the letter P seems to vary quite a bit on that page. There is a possible Henry Plasto / Martha Price marriage Jul-Sep 1844 Portsea on FreeBMD, though of course we need to check whether they married each other as there are 4 couples on the page.
It is Plasto. Mrs P was maiden name Price (marriage record and her bap in Titchfield). I can't see how Martha Cook can be the niece of either Henry or Martha Plasto. The other relative in the household (nephew - I've forgotten his name now because I looked at this about 15 hours ago) was mmn Price, so he was presumably the nephew of Martha Plasto. I did wonder if the enumerator got carried away and Martha Cook was their servant rather than their relation?!
kiterunner
18-08-17, 22:25
I think it is Plasto - the writing of the letter P seems to vary quite a bit on that page. There is a possible Henry Plasto / Martha Price marriage Jul-Sep 1844 Portsea on FreeBMD, though of course we need to check whether they married each other as there are 4 couples on the page.
FamilySearch confirms they did marry each other, 16 Jul 1844 at St Thomas, Portsmouth.
Yes, I saw that marriage Merry, but I wondered how my Martha Cook could have been a niece :(
But of course if the enumerator got carried away as you said and put Niece by mistake, - the writing is there - we can't dispute that. The "nephew" was James Bovis or Bevis from Fareham? I found a birth for him in Fareham first quarter 1853 - but it doesnt show parents - it does in the 1861 census, but it's no help.
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Name: James Benes
[James Bevis]
Age: 8
Estimated birth year: 1853
Relation: Son
Father's name: John Benes
Mother's name: Fanny Benes
Gender: Male
Where born: Stubbington, Hampshire, England
Civil Parish: Titchfield
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Street address:
Registration district: Fareham
Sub-registration district: Titchfield
James Bevis was aged 31 in 1871 so I think this is him (from the GRO index):
BEVIS,JAMES mmn PRICE
GRO Reference: 1839 D Quarter in FAREHAM UNION Volume 07 Page 71
His parents were Robert Bevis and Ann Price who married in 1833 at Titchfield.
James was baptised 24 Nov 1839 at Titchfield
Thanks Mary, I think I'll have to do some more work on that Cook family and see how they could be related to the Plasto family.
I saw that Martha Cook/Prior was living with two 'relatives' in 1911 but they both seem to have Prior connections rather than Cook:
Thomas Woodland married Mary Jane Prior in 1869 and Elizabeth Napper Prior married Orlando John Maylett in 1871.
It is confusing that there are two Martha Cooks for a start. But the Martha I am talking about - would not even have known she was going to marry a Prior in the 1871 census. However, I will check back on the Prior side.
I didn't know there were two Martha Cooks!
I didn't mean Martha and Henry Plasto might be relations of Mr Prior as, as you say, Martha Cook wasn't related to him by 1871.
The Prior relatives Martha is shown with are on the 1911 census. The point is, I didn't know they were Prior relatives until I looked into their backgrounds - I was hoping one or both of them would turn out to be Plasto or Price relatives - then they might well have backed up the presumed 1871 relationships that we can't solve at the moment. I was just pointing out Thomas Woodland and Elizabeth Napper Maylett were not going to help with that as they seem to be relations of Martha's late husband rather than Martha herself.
One was the daughter of Daniel & Sally Cook (b1849) - the other was Daniels sister Martha (b?) - their parents were Thomas Cook & Elizabeth Fisher.
I don't have a marriage for Martha (of Thomas Cook/Elizabeth Fisher) but Daniels daughter was the one who married George Arnell Prior
I just can 't find the link that Martha was a niece of Henry Plasto
Its a mystery.
Looking at the next gen back for everyone to see if any surnames match....
Martha Price (later Plasto) bap 1813 Titchfield. Parents William and Ann (Ancestry).
Likely marriage for Martha's parents (FMP):
William Price and Ann Hurry at Titchfield in 1795.
Henry Plasto bap 1814 Portsmouth. Parents Daniel and Frances (Ancestry)
Likely marriage for Henry's parents:
Daniel Plasto and Frances Fisher at Alverstoke in 1807.
I don't know if you already have the grandparents of Martha Cook?
I can't find online records that would cover the baptism of Martha Cook's father Daniel Cook if he was baptised at Sheet (his census birthplace). However, I did see a baptism at Petersfield (really close to Sheet) in 1817 for a Daniel Cook, parents Thomas and Elizabeth Cook (Ancestry). We already know that Daniel Cook's mother was named Elizabeth as she appears with him on the 1841 and 1851 censuses. From the censuses, she was born about 1781 at Sheet.
I looked for a marriage between Thomas and Elizabeth and saw this one (FMP):
Thomas Cook and Elizabeth Fisher at Petersfield in 1802.
This completely distracted me from looking at the last person, Sally Philps!
Of course the name Fisher isn't particularly uncommon, but it still seemed worth trying to see if there was any possibility Elizabeth and Frances might perhaps be sisters.
Frances Fisher/Plasto appears on the 1841 census but not the 1851, where Daniel is a widower. In 1841 she listed as aged 64 and born in County and at her death in Q4 1850 she is 72.
There is a baptism in Petersfield in 1778 (FMP) for a Frances Fisher who was born 5 Dec 1777 which seems likely. The parents have v common names though - John and Mary.
There is a baptism (FMP) at Petersfield for an Elizabeth Fisher, dau of John and Mary in 1781. The notes say her dob was 11 Jan 1781 and the family were 'of Steep' which is probably Sheet!
So, as this Elizabeth fits with the 1851 census Elizabeth Cook and Frances is a less common name, I will put my money on the two of them being the people we are looking for and that they are sisters!
So, how does that make Martha Cook (b 1849) and her 'aunt and uncle' Henry and Martha Plasto related??!!!
Elizabeth Fisher sister of Frances Fisher
son Daniel Cook............son Henry Plasto
dau Martha Cook........
So, Daniel Cook and Henry Plasto are first cousins and Martha Cook is Henry Plasto's first cousin once removed.
I expect they knew they were not uncle and niece as written on the 1871 census, but, after all, who would be worrying about the exact relationship???!!! lol :D:D:D
Sorry, I hadn't seen your last post when I started mine!
Merry I will have another look at this in the morning - I need a fresh mind!
Thanks for your efforts, you've done a lot.
I've had a little look for Daniel Cook's sister, Martha, who was bap at Petersfield in 1820. I've not found anything more yet.
The notes say her dob was 11 Jan 1781 and the family were 'of Steep' which is probably Sheet!
Actually, Steep is a separate place but Steep and Sheet are right next to each other, half a mile covers both, so probably not too vital!
I don't know if you already have the grandparents of Martha Cook?
Martha born 1849 her grandparents are Thomas Cook & Elizabeth Fisher
Martha born 1820 her grandparents are William Cook & Elizabeth (Betty) Kelsey
Most of the info is on http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~buriton/PetBaps-C.htm
Martha Cook b 1820 Sheet Hants:
I thought I had eliminated all the potential Martha's from the 1851 and 1861 census, but clearly not! lol
These are her children:
HUGHES, JOHN WALTER mmn COOK
GRO Reference: 1862 J Quarter in SHEPPEY Volume 02A Page 644
HUGHES, ELIZABETH mmn COOK
GRO Reference: 1857 D Quarter in KIDDERMINSTER Volume 06C Page 249
Here are those children with Martha and her husband, John Hughes in 1871:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/7619/HAMRG10_1220_1222-0057/707019?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk% 2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3f_phsrc%3dAlb3255%26_phstart%3dsucc essSource%26usePUBJs%3dtrue%26db%3duki1871%26so%3d 2%26pcat%3d35%26gss%3dangs-c%26new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26msT%3d1%26MS_AdvCB%3d1%26 gsfn%3djohn%26gsfn_x%3d1%26gsln%3dhughes%26gsln_x% 3d1%26gskw%3dkidderminster%26gskw_x%3d1%26cpxt%3d1 %26cp%3d11%26catbucket%3drstp%26MSAV%3d2%26MSV%3d1 %26uidh%3d672&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults
At the moment the problem is that Martha probably had a previous marriage so her name wasn't Cook when she married John Hughes (at least, I can't find a Cook/Hughes marriage yet).
At the moment I can't find them in 1861 with dau Elizabeth.
I don't know if you already have the grandparents of Martha Cook?
I was just apologising for posting info you already had!
I've just remembered there was another dau in that 1871 household - Mary Ann aged 20 who was married to Henry Marfleet and had been to India. Maybe she is a clue?
The marriage of Mary Ann Hughes in India gave her father's name as Samuel Christopher John Hughes, so I was looking for the wrong first forename. Here is the marriage:
Marriages Mar 1849
Fisher Martha Portsea I. 7 202
Hughes Samuel Christopher John Portsea 7 202
I remember thinking I had eliminated a Martha Fisher, so I obviously did that wrong!!
Marriages Dec 1846
Cook Martha Portsea 7 241
Fisher John Portsea 7 241
I realise what happened now - I saw this marriage and then looked at the 1851 census where I identified a different, older, couple as being the above couple. I don't think they had any children, so I couldn't look to see if the wife's name was originally Cook.
Obviously your Martha would have been a Hughes by 1851.
Marriages Mar 1849
Fisher Martha Portsea I. 7 202
Hughes Samuel Christopher John Ports
I'm a bit confused here - how did she become Martha Fisher? I do have Fishers in the tree, but no Martha. (only Mary Ann)
Here they are in 1851. Martha has forgotten her birthplace!
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/8860/KENHO107_1588_1588-0341/1102461?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk %2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3f_phsrc%3dAlb3292%26_phstart%3dsucc essSource%26usePUBJs%3dtrue%26db%3duki1851%26so%3d 2%26pcat%3dROOT_CATEGORY%26gss%3dangs-g%26new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26MS_AdvCB%3d1%26gsfn%3dmar y%26gsfn_x%3d1%26gsln%3dhughes%26gsln_x%3d1%26msbd y%3d1850%26msbdy_x%3d1%26msbdp%3d1%26gskw%3dworces *%26gskw_x%3d1%26cpxt%3d1%26cp%3d11%26catbucket%3d rstp%26MSAV%3d2%26MSV%3d1%26uidh%3d672&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults
I was reading John's service record earlier. I think they may have been overseas in 1861.
I'm a bit confused here - how did she become Martha Fisher? I do have Fishers in the tree, but no Martha. (only Mary Ann)
See post #25 :)
Let me digest this - I have to go out soon, but will get back to you.
OK. I'm going to bed now!
I thought it was time you went to bed - thanks for your help!
More on Martha Cook b 1820:
Her first marriage, to John Fisher, took place 25 Oct 1846 at St Mary's Portsea (Ancestry).
It looks like they had a son together:
FISHER, JOHN JAMES mmn COOK
GRO Reference: 1847 S Quarter in PORTSEA ISLAND UNION Volume 07 Page 131
but sadly the baby's death was registered the same Q. I couldn't find a baptism.
There is a death of a John Fisher in Portsea District in Q4 1847 aged 30 which may be Martha's husband.
Martha's second marriage, to Samuel Christopher John Hughes, took place 15 Jan 1849 at St Thomas's Portsmouth (Ancestry).
Children from the second marriage:
Mary Ann Hughes bap 1 Dec 1850 at St. Mary, Kidderminster, Worcestershire parents Samuel Christopher John and Martha Hughes (Ancestry)
Mary Ann was registered in Q4 1850 in Kidderminster District mmn Fisher! lol (she's the one who married in India, which made me wonder if the whole family was in India for a while)
Elizabeth Fisher bap 30 Nov 1857 at Kidderminster, Worcestershire, parents John and Martha Hughes (birth reg in earlier post) (Ancestry)
John Walter Hughes bap 20 Jul 1862 at Holy Trinity, Sheerness, Kent, parents Samuel Christopher John and Martha Hughes (birth reg in earlier post) (Ancestry)
I wouldn't be at all surprised if there were other children who may not have lived to be on a census, but as the names Hughes and Cook are common and the family clearly moved around, unless John used his full name on a baptism it would be difficult to be certain a child belonged to the correct couple without getting certificates etc.
Going back to whether the family had been in India, I looked again a John Hughes' service record (FMP). It states he served abroad for 9 years:
1 year 7 months in the Crimea
6 years 10 months in India
7 months in Abyssinia
He was discharged in Feb 1870 at Woolwich after 23 years service.
Of course that doesn't tell us Martha was with him when he was overseas.
Likely deaths:
Deaths Sep 1886
Hughes Martha aged*66 Portsea 2b 300
Deaths Dec 1896
Hughes Samuel Christopher J aged 67 Portsea 2b 280
Where did Plasto come from then?
I did see on my other computer that Frances and Plasto were witnsses to marriage William & Betty.
It's possible the John Fisher Martha married in 1846 was her first cousin - son of Seth and Elizabeth Fisher, bap 1817 in Petersfield. Seth was a brother of Elizabeth and Frances Fisher.
I may have to enter all this on my tree so I can get a better view
Where did Plasto come from then?
Daniel Plasto married Frances Fisher at Alverstoke 20 Jul 1807 (FMP). She was sister to Elizabeth Fisher who you already have on your tree.
I did see on my other computer that Frances and Plasto were witnsses to marriage William & Betty.
Did you mean Frances Plasto?
If you mean William Cook and Betty Kelsey (just guessing!), isn't that going to be quite a few years further back?
You must mean a different William and Betty as the witnesses for the marriage I thought you meant were James Brown and Betty Collingburn :o:o:o
Just started to enter it all in.
Ok with Martha Cook b 1820 marrying John Fisher and then Samuel Christopher John in 1849 and having 2 children John Walter & Elizabeth Hughes
Will have to finish entering it tomorrow - its looking good - makes sense when its typed up.
having 2 children John Walter & Elizabeth Hughes
......and Mary Ann Hughes.
Going back to Message 9, are you thinking James Bevis (whose parents are Robert Bevis and Ann Price who married in 1833 at Titchfield is a relative in this way - that Ann Price might be Martha Price's (who married Henry Plasto) sister?
I'm still entering this information.
I saw that Martha Cook/Prior was living with two 'relatives' in 1911 but they both seem to have Prior connections rather than Cook:
Thomas Woodland married Mary Jane Prior in 1869 and Elizabeth Napper Prior married Orlando John Maylett in 1871. (Message 12)
This Martha being Daniel Cooks daughter. Do you think Elizabeth Napper Prior is George Arnell Priors sister?
Another quick question, you don't have to look it up, but on the 1911 census, Martha Cook (she must have reverted back to her single name after her husband Prior died - her daughter Daisy Alice Priest had two sons, one born Port Elizabeth, South Africa, the other Southampton - British Colonial (why was it necessary to put British Colonial on? - Just curious.
Going back to Message 9, are you thinking James Bevis (whose parents are Robert Bevis and Ann Price who married in 1833 at Titchfield is a relative in this way - that Ann Price might be Martha Price's (who married Henry Plasto) sister?
Yes.
(Message 12)
This Martha being Daniel Cooks daughter. Do you think Elizabeth Napper Prior is George Arnell Priors sister?
I think I looked to see what her mmn was and that it was Arnell which I presume was George's mmn too. So yes, but it might be worth checking to be sure, as that was yesterday! lol
Another quick question, you don't have to look it up, but on the 1911 census, Martha Cook (she must have reverted back to her single name after her husband Prior died - her daughter Daisy Alice Priest had two sons, one born Port Elizabeth, South Africa, the other Southampton - British Colonial (why was it necessary to put British Colonial on? - Just curious.
If you mean Martha b 1849 then she was Martha Prior in 1911 and was with those two Prior relatives, so I don't understand why you are saying she was listed as Martha Cook?
Now I've looked at the entry for Martha Cook and Daisy Priest. More confusion. Martha Cook is born in Bishops Waltham which is nowhere near Sheet. Her daughter, Daisy is aged 29 (1882) and born Wickham Hants. On the previous census your Daisy (with mother Martha Prior) is aged 16 and born Portsmouth. Surely they are not the same person/family? Your Daisy is registered for birth as Daisy Arnell Prior in 1884. The Daisy who married Mr Priest was registered for birth as Daisy Alice Cook in 1882.
I don't know the answer to your Q about British Colonial. It could possibly be something to do with where the father of the children was born perhaps. Anyway, they are not your family unless the Martha who was head of house was married into your tree! Her maiden name was Marsh (according to the birth reg for Daisy Alice).
Originally Posted by geniebug
(Message 12)
This Martha being Daniel Cooks daughter. Do you think Elizabeth Napper Prior is George Arnell Priors sister?
I think I looked to see what her mmn was and that it was Arnell which I presume was George's mmn too. So yes, but it might be worth checking to be sure, as that was yesterday! lol
I had a look - here they are together in 1851:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/8860/SSXHO107_1652_1652-0182/3330847?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk %2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3f_phsrc%3dAlb3631%26_phstart%3dsucc essSource%26usePUBJs%3dtrue%26db%3duki1851%26so%3d 2%26pcat%3dROOT_CATEGORY%26gss%3dangs-g%26new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26msT%3d1%26MS_AdvCB%3d1%26 gsfn%3deli*%26gsfn_x%3d1%26gsln%3dprior%26gsln_x%3 d1%26gskw%3dwesthamp*%26gskw_x%3d1%26cpxt%3d1%26cp %3d11%26catbucket%3drstp%26MSAV%3d2%26MSV%3d1%26ui dh%3d672&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults
Mary Jane aged 12 (who married Thomas Woodland - he is with Martha Cook/Prior in 1911), George aged 6 and Elizabeth aged 10 months (who married Orlando John Maylett. Elizabeth is also with Martha Cook/Prior in 1911). I checked their birth registrations and they were all mmn Arnell, though George didn't have a middle name on his birth cert.
Merry still ploughing away entering in, but I came across an 1851 Census for Mary C Plasto granddaughter of Susanna someone. I can't read anything on that line pertaining to surnames (apart from Anne Hayes) and especially where they were born, can you or someone decipher this please?
http://i935.photobucket.com/albums/ad193/joody_anne/1851%20Census%20-%20Mary%20Charlotte%20Plasto_1.jpg
Thanks for last message Merry, just give me a bit of time to catch up. Tea calling now!
Merry still ploughing away entering in, but I came across an 1851 Census for Mary C Plasto granddaughter of Susanna someone. I can't read anything on that line pertaining to surnames (apart from Anne Hayes) and especially where they were born, can you or someone decipher this please?
On the 1861 census Mary C is the dau of Daniel and Esther C Plasto. Daniel is aged 52 and from Gosport Hampshire.
Anyway, in 1851 I couldn't read the grandmother's surname either, so looked for Mary C Plasto's birth reg to see if it would be the same name as her mmn:
PLASTO,*MARY*CHARLOTTE mmn AUBER
GRO Reference: 1849 J Quarter in SAINT PANCRAS Volume*01 Page*337
and, Yes I think the grandmother is Susanna Auber.
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One other thing I think I remember about Daniel Plasto (the one in this post) is that his father was also Daniel Plasto who died in 1855 at 9 Mornington Crescent "the home of his son". I think that must have been in the newspapers and I also saw Daniel jr was still at that address years later, I think that must have been on his probate entry.
I just looked at the death reg for Daniel senr in 1855 and he was aged 75.
So, I think that makes Daniel senr the same Daniel Plasto who married Frances Fisher and was the father of Henry Plasto the presumed uncle of Martha Cook (1849). So, that's where this thread started and we have come full circle!
Here is the Daniel who was the husband of Frances Fisher and died in London in 1855 on the 1851 census with his other known son, Henry, and Martha nee Price:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/8860/HAMHO107_1658_1658-0676/5777247?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk %2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3f_phsrc%3dAlb3658%26_phstart%3dsucc essSource%26usePUBJs%3dtrue%26db%3duki1851%26so%3d 2%26pcat%3dROOT_CATEGORY%26gss%3dangs-g%26new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26msT%3d1%26MS_AdvCB%3d1%26 gsfn%3ddan*%26gsfn_x%3d1%26gsln%3dpla*%26gsln_x%3d 1%26msbdy%3d1780%26msbdy_x%3d1%26msbdp%3d5%26cpxt% 3d1%26cp%3d11%26catbucket%3drstp%26MSAV%3d2%26MSV% 3d1%26uidh%3d672&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults
Thanks Merry, you've been a great help. I will post when I've caught up.
Message 32 Elizabeth Fisher bap 30 Nov 1857 at Kidderminster, Worcestershire, parents John and Martha Hughes (birth reg in earlier post) (Ancestry)
Bit confused by this - Isn't she supposed to be Elizabeth Hughes (of her mother's 2nd husband) - because if she was baptized 1857 Martha was by then married to Samuel Christopher John Hughes (1849)- the first husband John Fisher had died in 1847
Sorry, yes, If you look at post #22 I listed her birth reg as Hughes and if you look at Ancestry the baptism record is there under Hughes and I did manage to say her parents were John and Martha Hughes at the baptism! It's just my typing error.
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