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Kit
19-07-17, 13:13
Following on from my Richard Eastwood thread - Richard married Hannah Clarke and her parents are Ralph and Lucy nee Barratt. Can someone please read this and tell me if you agree with my thoughts?

All the following information comes from FMP:

Ralph Clarke died 1816, was buried at St Peter Ad Vincula Stoke on Trent, aged 44. Ralph Clarke burial (http://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=gbprs%2fstaff%2fstoke-on-trent-st-peter-burials-d1188-11-1813-1823%2f00091&parentid=gbprs%2fstaff%2fbur2%2f230642&highlights=%22%22)
(This is also where Hannah was baptised, Ralph and Lucy married)

This makes his DOB about 1772. There is a baptism for a Ralph in 1772 at St John Burslem, parents Phillip and Ann. Ralph - Phillip and Ann (http://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=gbprs%2fstaff%2f007566311%2f00148&parentid=gbprs%2fstaff%2fbap%2f279551&highlights=%22%22)

The only other baptism is in 1779, parents Philip and Jane, also at St John Burslem. Ralph - Philip and Jane (http://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=gbprs%2fstaff%2f007566311%2f00165&parentid=gbprs%2fstaff%2fbap%2f280530&highlights=%22%22)

I feel that the first baptism is the right one.

So following on from the baptism I searched for other children to Phillip and Ann. There are 13 between 1750 - 1788, all born at Burslem St John:
Mary 1750, Thomas 1752, William 1767, Thomas 1769, Ralph 1772, Helen 1776, Mary 1778, Sarah 1780, Elizabeth 1781, Betty 1782, James and Obadiah 1785, Phillip 1788.

I had thought they were all born to the same parents but am now not sure due to the 15 year gap between Thomas and William.

Moving on to possible marriages of Phillip and Ann, there are none before 1750.
There are banns in 1765 wife Ann Harrison Ann Harrison (http://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=gbprs%2fstaff%2fstoke-on-trent-st-peter-marriages--d1188-9-1754-1796%2f00112&parentid=gbprs%2fstaff%2fbanns2%2f071925%2f1&highlights=%22%22)

marriage in 1783 at Burslem St John to Ann Cartiledge, widow, Phillip is a Victualler
Ann Cartiledge (http://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=gbprs%2fstaff%2f007566311%2f01546&parentid=gbprs%2fstaff%2fmar%2f43888%2f1&highlights=%22%22)

I liked this one as it is the same church but am not sure as there is a will for a Phillip whose will was probated in 1785 and he is a victualler but from Longport, which is not too far from Burslem. There seems to be no burial for this Phillip but he is not mine as he only has 2 minor children, neither of them called Ralph. But the will does not mean that the marriage is not mine as there could be 2 victuallers.

1785 Ann Sheldon at Audley St James the Great Ann Sheldon (http://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=gbprs%2fstaff%2f007566314%2f00321&parentid=gbprs%2fstaff%2fmar%2f52140%2f1&highlights=%22%22)

I'm confused now, I don't know what my feelings are about the marriages. Any opinions?

As an aside :
Ann Clarke (wife of Phillip) died 1782 Burselm St John Ann Clarke (http://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=gbprs%2fstaff%2f007566311%2f00286&parentid=gbprs%2fstaff%2fbur%2f121119&highlights=%22%22)

I'm sorry for the essay. At least I didn't look at Lucy Barratt. :rolleyes:
kiterunner
19-07-17, 13:29
Did you check that neither of the Ralphs died young, Toni?
Kit
19-07-17, 13:32
No they didn't.

Ralph born 1772 died 1816, there is no record of the other one dying so he may have left the county.
Kit
19-07-17, 13:35
Child Obadiah married a Mary Cartiledge in 1806. Obadiah died 1843 Stoke on Trent St Peter Ad Vincula.
kiterunner
19-07-17, 13:40
Who were the witnesses at Ralph and Lucy's wedding?
Kit
19-07-17, 13:44
Samuel Poulson and Thomas Shufflebotham. Samuel is a serial witness. The other surname has no meaning to me.

I'm going to have to go to bed, sorry.

Post any other questions and I'll look tomorrow. Thanks for looking for me.
kiterunner
19-07-17, 13:47
FMP says it's down for maintenance now, so I'll have another look later.
kiterunner
19-07-17, 22:11
The Phillip who married Ann Harrison in 1765 was a potter, according to the marriage register.
Kit
20-07-17, 07:55
I'm thinking the marriage to Ann Harrison is probably mine.

There is a 15 year gap between the first 2 children and the third. The marriage to Ann Harrison fits in before the third child is born. I know there could be other reasons for a big gap but this is most likely.

Next question - is it likely that the remaining children are all siblings to Ralph, or do you think some belong to another couple?
kiterunner
20-07-17, 08:44
Not sure about the last three. Does the Philip will from 1785 name his two minor children?
Kit
20-07-17, 08:47
Yes it does but it wasn't the same as any of those listed. One was Samuel from memory and I think John. I'll double check.
Kit
20-07-17, 08:50
Yes, John and Samuel, the only children and also minors.
Kit
20-07-17, 10:26
Burials St John Burslem
1782 Ann wife of Philip Clark Jan 1
1789 Philip Clark an infant 30 Dec
1790 Phillip Clark (Etruria) Apr 21
1790 Ann Clark (widow) Jun 4
1798 Phillip Clark Burslem Sep 18
1803 Ann Clarke Cobridge Oct 4
1814 Ann Clark Burslem Mar 30 Aged 56 (born abt 1758)
1816 Philip Clarke Burslem Mar 11 aged 56 (born abt 1760)
Kit
21-07-17, 13:54
Marriage : 1785 Ann Sheldon at Audley St James the Great was on 20/12/1785

James and Obadiah were baptised 19/6/1785 to parents Phillip and Ann Clarke.

This makes it unlikely James and Obadiah were children of Ann nee Sheldon