Who Do You Think You Are - Craig Revel Horwood 13th Jul

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At 9 p.m. on BBC1, and repeated next Monday / Tuesday at midnight.

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I will add the episode summary tomorrow. I just knew when they mentioned clog dancing that he would end up having a go! I hope this series isn't going to be "try what your ancestor did" in too many episodes.

They seemed to make a lot out of Lizzie not being mentioned in her grandfather's will, unlike her brothers, but I don't think they gave the dates, so I don't know whether she was married by then and might have received her share of the inheritance on her marriage. Will check the dates after I've typed up the synopsis.

[Olde Crone]

I was immediately irritated (again) by the family tree they showed, with all the women bearing their married names. Only the most inexperienced researcher would show a woman with her married name instead of her maiden name and I would expect the BBC to know that!

Not my favourite episode. Clog dancing may be thrilling to those who indulge in it but it leaves me cold - and I am from Lancashire.

OC

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I was immediately irritated (again) by the family tree they showed, with all the women bearing their married names. Only the most inexperienced researcher would show a woman with her married name instead of her maiden name and I would expect the BBC to know that!


They always seem to do that on WDYTYA for some reason. I think "My Heritage" (family tree software / website) does the same. Very annoying.

[Lynn the Forest Fan]

OC, I noticed that as well, it was particularly annoying as one of the ladies had the surname Revel, which is obviously where that name came in, but it wasn't mentioned

[Ann from Sussex]

OC, I noticed that as well, it was particularly annoying as one of the ladies had the surname Revel, which is obviously where that name came in, but it wasn't mentioned

Yes, I was waiting for that to be noted. I have assumed that Craig has a double-barrelled surname but I got the impression that the family name is just Horwood so maybe he added Revel as a stage name in honour of his grandfather. Maybe it is his second name anyway. A small point but I wanted to know!

Not the most interesting WDYTYA, I agree, although, having seen CRH on things other than Strictly, I have liked him as a person for a while and that was strengthened by the programme. When he kept questioning how and why Harry Macklin was a clog dancer I kept telling him " because he came from the Lancashire cotton mills"! My father worked in Lancashire for a while (not in the cotton trade) and somehow acquired a pair of child's clogs which I remember being around when I was growing up. They were absolutely rigid and I never knew how anyone could wear them.

I did love his grandmother Phonse...what a lovely lady! I would love to spend time talking to her. Hard to believe she is 100 years old.

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Plot summary

Craig Revel Horwood has lived and worked in the UK for many years but was born and grew up in Australia. His father, Philip Revel Horwood, who died just over a year ago, was an officer in the Australian Navy.

Craig's paternal grandparents were Revel Horwood and Phyllis Shaw. Craig knew that Phyllis was in an orphanage as a child.
Craig flew to Melbourne to see his mother Beth and sister Sue at the family home in Ballarat, where Craig grew up with his three brothers and three sisters.

Sue had already done some family history research, and told Craig that their 2xg-grandfather, Moses Horwood, was convicted of burglary in Cheltenham and transported to Australia. Sue showed Craig Moses' Ballarat death registration from 1881 which listed his children, including Charles Horwood, Revel's father.
Craig went to Ballarat's Heritage Reading Rooms and met a genealogist who showed him the marriage certificate of Charles Horwood and Lizzie Bell Tinworth dated 17 Mar 1891. Charles' parents were shown as Moses, a miner, and Mary while Lizzie's were James and Elizabeth Tinworth, hotel keepers. James Tinworth's birth certificate showed that his parents were Charles and Elizabeth TInworth from Essex, England. A shipping list showed that they left from Southampton on the 5th Feb 1854 and arrived in Australia on the 4th May. Charles was an ag lab, age 20, and Elizabeth was 24. They were going to work for a Mrs Smith.

The birth of an Edward Tinworth was registered in Ballarat, parents' names Charles Tinworth, a miner, and Elizabeth Tinworth nee Revel.
Craig met an historian to find out about the Ballarat gold rush. He was shown hospital records which said that Elizabeth Tinworth, age 34, had spent 37 days in hospital suffering from menorrhagia, perhaps from a miscarriage. He was also shown the record of Charles Tinworth's 1865 bankruptcy hearing, which included his brothers James and Joseph Tinworth in the list of creditors.

Craig went to the Old Mining Exchange to meet an historian, who showed him the announcement of Charles's discharge from bankruptcy in an 1869 issue of the Geelong Advertiser.

Craig went to the White Horse ranges, outside Ballarat, to meet a mining historian who told him that the Tinworths moved into larger-scale industrial deep quartz mining when the surface gold ran out (the quartz contained varying amounts of gold), and showed him where their mine used to be. Craig then went to the Gold Museum in Ballarat to find out about Charles's son Edward who, at the age of 13, found out how to locate the quartz with the highest amount of gold in it. This had helped the Tinworths find a large gold nugget.

Charles's will left real estate worth £7,820 and personal estate worth £13,615 - the total being equivalent to about £1.5 million today. He left £300 to each of grandsons James Tinworth and William Tinworth, sons of his "late son James" (who had died of kidney failure at the age of 48) but left nothing to Lizzie. The mine was closed down in 1909.

Craig then turned to his grandmother Phyllis's side of the tree. Phyllis lives in Perth and has recently turned 100. She lives with her grandson, Craig's cousin Logan. Her parents were Julia, who died in childbirth at the age of 40, and Harry Shaw. There were 9 children in the family, and as Harry was unable to look after them after Julia's death, they were looked after by various aunts and uncles for about a month and then sent to an orphanage.
Harry's birth certificate showed he was born on the 5th Oct 1871 at a sheep station in New South Wales, his father being Harry Shaw (known as Harry Macklin Shaw), age 31, a chair carrier, born in Ashton under Lyne in England. Phyllis had a photo of Harry sr but did not remember him.
Craig went to Glen Innes, NSW, where Harry Macklin Shaw lived, and met an historian who told him that Harry's older brother William Shaw had preceded him to Australia, and showed him an issue of the Glen Innes Examiner from 1880 which reported on the Oddfellows' Ball, at which Mr H Shaw had officiated as MC.
Craig went to Glen Innes' History House and met an archivist, who showed him a newspaper article mentioning Harry Shaw's "step dancing and recitation" and another article, from 1877, referring to "Mr H Shaw, ex-champion clog dancer of NSW".

Craig met a local historian in Emmaville, NSW, where Harry did most of his clog dancing. He was shown a Sydney Morning Herald advert from 1871 where "Harry Macklin" issued a dancing challenge for £20, and some information from 1872 about Harry Macklin performing at the Australia Day celebrations, with a picture of the venue appearing in the Illustrated London News.

Craig then went to Sydney to meet a music and dance historian, who told him that clog dancing originated in the North of England where Harry grew up, and showed him Harry's "champion clog dancer of Australasia" medal from 1871.

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Here is Charles Tinworth's will and probate info, on ancestry:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/61315/07591-p0002-000383-1230-00000/1432546?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk %2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3f_phsrc%3dCtf2379%26_phstart%3dsucc essSource%26usePUBJs%3dtrue%26db%3dvictoriaprobate s%26so%3d2%26pcat%3dROOT_CATEGORY%26gss%3dangs-g%26new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26msT%3d1%26gsfn%3dcha*s%26 gsfn_x%3d1%26gsln%3dtinworth%26gsln_x%3d1%26MS_Adv CB%3d1%26cpxt%3d1%26cp%3d2%26catbucket%3drstp%26MS AV%3d2%26uidh%3dvm5%26MSV%3d1&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults
Signed 3 May 1905 and proved 18 Nov 1905 (he died 26 Sep 1905). So Lizzie was already married by then and may have been given some money already.

It looks as though Phyllis's father Harry's full name was Harry Macklin Shaw, same as his father. On the 1917 electoral roll he and Julia are at Burbanks and he is a miner:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/1207/31242_100756__5-00262/171980677?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co. uk%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3f_phsrc%3dCtf2400%26_phstart%3dsucc essSource%26usePUBJs%3dtrue%26db%3dauselectoralrol ls%26so%3d2%26pcat%3dROOT_CATEGORY%26gss%3dangs-g%26new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26MS_AdvCB%3d1%26gsfn%3dhar ry%2520mac*%26gsfn_x%3d1%26gsln%3dshaw%26gsln_x%3d 1%26cpxt%3d1%26cp%3d2%26catbucket%3drstp%26MSAV%3d 2%26MSV%3d1%26uidh%3dvm5&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults

In 1925 they are at The Racecourse, Coolgardie, and he is a prospector:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/1207/RDAUS1901_100781__0005-00303/7569179?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk %2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3f_phsrc%3dCtf2400%26_phstart%3dsucc essSource%26usePUBJs%3dtrue%26db%3dauselectoralrol ls%26so%3d2%26pcat%3dROOT_CATEGORY%26gss%3dangs-g%26new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26MS_AdvCB%3d1%26gsfn%3dhar ry%2520mac*%26gsfn_x%3d1%26gsln%3dshaw%26gsln_x%3d 1%26cpxt%3d1%26cp%3d2%26catbucket%3drstp%26MSAV%3d 2%26MSV%3d1%26uidh%3dvm5&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults

In 1930 he is at Captain's Flat, Queanbeyan, and is a miner:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/1207/RDAUS1901_100392__0007-00385/3897714?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk %2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3f_phsrc%3dCtf2400%26_phstart%3dsucc essSource%26usePUBJs%3dtrue%26db%3dauselectoralrol ls%26so%3d2%26pcat%3dROOT_CATEGORY%26gss%3dangs-g%26new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26MS_AdvCB%3d1%26gsfn%3dhar ry%2520mac*%26gsfn_x%3d1%26gsln%3dshaw%26gsln_x%3d 1%26cpxt%3d1%26cp%3d2%26catbucket%3drstp%26MSAV%3d 2%26MSV%3d1%26uidh%3dvm5&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults

And in 1936 at Creswick, Ballarat:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/1207/RDAUS1901_101329_0187-00037/14454583?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.u k%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3f_phsrc%3dCtf2400%26_phstart%3dsucc essSource%26usePUBJs%3dtrue%26db%3dauselectoralrol ls%26so%3d2%26pcat%3dROOT_CATEGORY%26gss%3dangs-g%26new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26MS_AdvCB%3d1%26gsfn%3dhar ry%2520mac*%26gsfn_x%3d1%26gsln%3dshaw%26gsln_x%3d 1%26cpxt%3d1%26cp%3d2%26catbucket%3drstp%26MSAV%3d 2%26MSV%3d1%26uidh%3dvm5&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults
He died in Oct 1936 at Creswick. I assume Julia is the Julia E Shaw who died in 1926 at Coolgardie.
Edit - on the actual WA Online Indexes it has her name as Julia Shaw, district E Coolgardie, so I think ancestry have put the "E" in the wrong place!

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Here is Julia's funeral notice on Trove:
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/93884365?searchTerm=%22harry%20shaw%22&searchLimits=exactPhrase=harry+shaw|||anyWords|||n otWords|||requestHandler|||dateFrom=1917-01-01|||dateTo=1936-12-31|||sortby|||l-category=Family+Notices

The Kalgoorlie Miner, Mon 17 May 1926
SHAW. - The friends of Mr Harry Shaw and family, of Bulled-street, Kalgoorlie, Mr and Mrs Simon Thornton, Mr and Mrs Bert Thornton, are respectfully notified that the remains of their late dearly beloved wife, mother, sister and sister-in-law respectively (Julia) wil be removed from my private mortuary, 18 Hannan-st, Kalgoorlie, this (Monday) morning at 11 a.m. for interment in the Anglican portion of the Kalgoorlie cemetery. - W Strother, Undertaker.

And here is Harry's death notice:
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/11923150?searchTerm=%22harry%20shaw%22&searchLimits=exactPhrase=harry+shaw|||anyWords|||n otWords|||requestHandler|||dateFrom=1917-01-01|||dateTo=1936-12-31|||sortby|||l-category=Family+Notices
The Argus (Melbourne) Thu 8 Oct 1936
SHAW - On the 8th October, at Creswick hospital, Harry M Shaw (late of Broomfield), loved father of Harry, Frederick, Phillis, ???, Ruth, Letica, Patricia, aged 65 years.