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HarrysMum
29-03-17, 10:29
I have John Cave (age 36) marrying Mary Jane Charters (19) in Sydney, Australia in 1848. John is from Clay Colton, Northamptonshire.

After Mary Jane dies in 1855 John marries Margaret Thompson in Grafton, NSW 1856.

On that marriage record it has John's parents as Richard Cave and Sarah Golding.

I've found a baptism for John Cave in 1812, in the right place with parents Richard and Sarah, but I cannot find a marriage or any other children for Richard and Sarah.

I'm assuming Golding is correct for Sarah's maiden name, but can't find any Richard and Sarah marriages that seem to fit.
Merry
29-03-17, 12:00
I haven't found a marriage yet, but there are five baps at Clay Coton for children of Richard and Sarah (from FreeREG):

James 6 May 1810
John 18 Oct 1812
Jane 21 May 1815
Rebecca 2 Mar 1817
Catherine 23 May 1819

Richard was a shepherd so he may have moved around the local area.

EDIT see Bev's post for an extra one!
Macbev
29-03-17, 12:02
Found on FreeReg (https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_queries/58dba214791e3b72d2561725)

1. James Cave bapt 6 May 1810 St Andrew Clay Coton Northamptonshire; father: Richard Cave; mother:Sarah
2. John Cave; bapt 18 Oct 1812 St Andrew C (https://www.familytreeforum.com/arcade.php?&act=Arcade&do=play&gameid=12)lay Coton Northamptonshire; father: Richard Cave; mother:Sarah
3. Jane Cave bapt 21 May 1815 St Andrew Clay Coton Northamptonshire; father: Richard Cave, shepherd; mother:Sarah
4. Rebecca Cave bapt 2 Mar 1817 St Andrew Clay Coton Northamptonshire; father: Richard Cave, shepherd; mother:Sarah
5. Catherine Cave bapt 23 May 1819 St Andrew C (https://www.familytreeforum.com/arcade.php?&act=Arcade&do=play&gameid=12)lay Coton Northamptonshire; father: Richard Cave shepherd; mother:Sarah
6. Ann Cave bapt 23 Jun 1822 St Andrew C (https://www.familytreeforum.com/arcade.php?&act=Arcade&do=play&gameid=12)lay Coton Northamptonshire; father: Richard Cave shepherd; mother:Sarah
3.
Merry
29-03-17, 12:03
Do you have Ancestry? This looks like them:

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/8860/WARHO107_2070_2070-0087/9420338?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk %2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3f_phsrc%3dPUA311%26_phstart%3dsucce ssSource%26usePUBJs%3dtrue%26db%3duki1851%26so%3d2 %26pcat%3dROOT_CATEGORY%26gss%3dangs-g%26new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26msT%3d1%26MS_AdvCB%3d1%26 gsfn%3dric*%26gsfn_x%3d1%26gsln%3dcave%26gsln_x%3d 1%26mssng%3dsarah%26mssng_x%3d1%26cpxt%3d1%26cp%3d 4%26catbucket%3drstp%26MSAV%3d2%26uidh%3d672&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults

Sarah isn't a local!
Merry
29-03-17, 12:04
lol Bev, I only looked up to 1820!
Merry
29-03-17, 12:08
Hmmmm...

There's a Richard Cave and a Sarah Goldby marrying 28 Sep 1802 in Kimcote and Walton,Leicestershire.
HarrysMum
29-03-17, 12:14
Thank you. Freereg...of course. I do have Ancestry, but that link won't sign me in. No idea why Ancestry can't get its act together so you can go to the links. It seems to be if you're in a different country you can't.

Goldby/Golding......close enough...... :) I doubt my son would know my maiden name so I expect it was no different back then.

Those children fit nicely as John had a daughter, Catherine and I didn't know where that came from. Pity he went on to have two sons named John, both of whom lived well into adulthood. It's a thing with my lot.
HarrysMum
29-03-17, 12:14
Forgot to ask.......is Leicestershire close enough to Northamptonshire?
kiterunner
29-03-17, 12:23
Yes, Leicestershire is close to Northamptonshire. There are a couple of public trees on ancestry which have Sarah Goldby or Goadby as the mother of the Northamptonshire children but the one with the most attached records etc won't load for me (Hutsby Family Tree). They have a son William Cave born 29 Dec 1806 Northamptonshire included.
Macbev
29-03-17, 12:30
I had a trawl through the Clay Coton parish registers https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/9198/007581048_01042?pid=302025883&backurl=http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?viewrecord%3D1%26r%3Dan%26db%3DNorthampton shireEarly%26indiv%3Dtry%26h%3D302025883&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&usePUBJs=true#?imageId=007581048_01030

but got tired. Went back to about 1790 without seeing a marriage...so likely in another parish if Sarah was an outsider :)
HarrysMum
29-03-17, 12:35
Thank you.

~~~~~~~waves to Bev~~~~~~~ Haven't seen you in ages. Hope all is well on the other side of the country. Love to J.
Merry
29-03-17, 12:55
I do have Ancestry, but that link won't sign me in. No idea why Ancestry can't get its act together so you can go to the links. It seems to be if you're in a different country you can't.



OK well Richard and Sarah appear up to 1861 and are easy to find! Shout if you can't find them.
HarrysMum
29-03-17, 13:02
Thank you.
HarrysMum
29-03-17, 13:17
I can't believe I'm asking this question after following the Ariels all round the planet, but...

It looks like Sarah (b 1779) was born in Warwickshire. 1861 census say Aneslay, but the closest I can find is Ansley, and quite frankly even Aneslay doesn't look like what's written on the image.

So.....maybe Sarah, born in Warwickshire meets Richard born in Northamptonshire and they marry in Leicestershire?
kiterunner
29-03-17, 13:27
Libby, o.k. with you if I move this thread to the Research Questions board?
kiterunner
29-03-17, 13:32
I can't believe I'm asking this question after following the Ariels all round the planet, but...

It looks like Sarah (b 1779) was born in Warwickshire. 1861 census say Aneslay, but the closest I can find is Ansley, and quite frankly even Aneslay doesn't look like what's written on the image.

So.....maybe Sarah, born in Warwickshire meets Richard born in Northamptonshire and they marry in Leicestershire?

On the 1851 census she is born Warwick Hanstley
The 1861 does look like Aneslay to me.

I can't see any likely Warwickshire parish names beginning with H; possibilities beginning with A include Ansley, Ansty, Astley. But of course the birthplace she gave might not be an actual parish.

I would imagine that one or other, or both, was actually living in Leicestershire when they got married.
kiterunner
29-03-17, 13:35
There are a couple of Sarah Goadby baptisms at Ansley around the right time:
4 Apr 1779, daughter of Thomas and Sarah
20 Aug 1780, daughter of Samuel and Mary

If we can find the names of children born between 1802 and 1810 (in addition to William 1806, if he is one of theirs), it might give us a clue which is more likely.
kiterunner
29-03-17, 13:48
There are some children of a Richard and Sarah Cave baptised at Newbottle, Northamptonshire, before 1810, but that couple are still having children baptised there when yours are having them in Clay Coton.
HarrysMum
29-03-17, 19:13
Libby, o.k. with you if I move this thread to the Research Questions board?

Sure. It's actually where I meant to put it.
Anstey Nomad
30-03-17, 13:34
Of course, if Sarah is a Goldby/Goadby she's one of mine, albeit distant.
HarrysMum
31-03-17, 00:07
Of course, if Sarah is a Goldby/Goadby she's one of mine, albeit distant.



Well, if we're cousins, please tell me if Sarah Golding/Goldby/Goadby is the mother of my John Cave. If so, she is my gggg grandmother.
Anstey Nomad
31-03-17, 15:04
Leave it with me.
Anstey Nomad
31-03-17, 15:53
There are Goadbys in Ansley in the 1760s/1770s - and today.
Anstey Nomad
31-03-17, 16:11
http://www.cavefhs.com/members/members-interests/

Fourth entry down appears to be relatively closely related to you and geographically closer too.
HarrysMum
31-03-17, 19:03
Thanks. I'll have a read.