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[Name removed] was my cousin at 15 Kent Road, Tottenham N15 in 1956 but I had never known the name of his father. His mum was my aunty Wynn. I would like to know the name of my uncle.
kiterunner
06-03-17, 14:06
Do you know roughly when he was born, Albert?
Do you know roughly when he was born, Albert?
My uncle died in 1956-7. I recall him being only around 50-years old when he died so his D.o.B would be around 1907. His sister, my mother, had been born 1906.
kiterunner
06-03-17, 14:33
Sorry, I meant when was your cousin born.
kiterunner
06-03-17, 14:36
This looks likely for your uncle, though: Ernest J D Sadler died Jul-Sep 1957 Edmonton, age 52. I will check for more info in a sec.
kiterunner
06-03-17, 14:56
These are the Sadler / Grimes births which come up on the new online GRO birth index:
Herbert Frederick Granville Edmund Sadler Apr-Jun 1900 Docking district
Percy Alexander Henry Gordon Oct-Dec 1902 Docking district
Ernest Joseph Desmond Oct-Dec 1904 Docking district
Madeline Beatrice Alberta Maud Oct-Dec 1906 Edmonton district
Agnes Oct-Dec 1910 Edmonton district
So that confirms that Ernest J D Sadler was your uncle. He married Winifred Parrish in 1947 Edmonton district.
Can I please just check whether the cousin who you mentioned is still alive, or deceased, please, as if he is still alive we need to remove his name from the thread.
Could be something, could be nothing...
There's a birth for a Philip J Sadler, mmn Parish, Q1 1930 Pancras, London.
There's also a will & grant entry for a Philip James Sadler - date of death: 26/09/2013 - on the government's probate search website.
Would this be your cousin, Albert, or am I at crossed wires? (Quite possible!)
Could be something, could be nothing...
There's a birth for a Philip J Sadler, mmn Parish, Q1 1930 Pancras, London.
There's also a will & grant entry for a Philip James Sadler - date of death: 26/09/2013 - on the government's probate search website.
Would this be your cousin, Albert, or am I at crossed wires? (Quite possible!)
Yes. I think he is one of a number of secret cousins. I have been trying to get to the bottom of some nagging questions surrounding my family for many years.
kiterunner
06-03-17, 15:37
There is a Sadler / Parish marriage in 1929 in Lambeth, though, James. (Edward J Sadler / Adelaide V Parish). And Ernest and Winifred didn't get married till 1947. So I doubt that Philip is connected.
There is a Sadler / Parish marriage in 1929 in Lambeth, though, James. (Edward J Sadler / Adelaide V Parish). And Ernest and Winifred didn't get married till 1947. So I doubt that Philip is connected.
I recall being taken to Lambeth to visit aunts and uncles just after the war ended.
Yes. I think he is one of a number of secret cousins. I have been trying to get to the bottom of some nagging questions surrounding my family for many years.
I see you have some other threads here, and people have been helping you. It might be worth making a list of questions/persons of interest - so long as they refer to the same branch of the family, ideally - and then we can help you in a single thread, as I suspect many of these people are linked?
As Kate has already said, however, it would be best not to post information about persons you believe to be living, as it is against the forum rules.
Of course, the problem with secret cousins is that unless you know for sure that any are already dead, they may well still be alive. I have run into this problem myself, with cousins of my grandmother, and it turned out that one was 95 and living in Quebec. :o
kiterunner
06-03-17, 15:45
Albert, can you please confirm whether your cousin (the one who this thread is about) is still alive or deceased, please, so I can sort out whether his name needs deleting?
I can't find a corresponding birth for your cousin, but of course he may have been given a different name.
(That or I'm just missing something obvious...)
The information of today means that my cousin [name removed], now aged about 73-74 if still alive, was possibly not the legitimate son of my aunty Wynn. However, I suspect that his father had produced him and others before marrying aunty Wynn in 1947 because cousin [name removed] had already been around for 3-4-years.
Albert, can you please confirm whether your cousin (the one who this thread is about) is still alive or deceased, please, so I can sort out whether his name needs deleting?
I have not seen nor head of cousin [name removed] in Tottenham since 1966 so cannot confirm one way or another.
kiterunner
06-03-17, 16:20
Oh, in that case I will delete identifying info about him until we know for sure. Thanks, Albert.
kiterunner
06-03-17, 16:26
I've changed the thread title to the name of your uncle.
My uncle Ernest died aged 52 in 1957. At that time, his youngest son had been aged 9-years, meaning Uncle Ernest had produced the boy at around age 43. However, I strongly suspect that uncle Ernest had been busy elsewhere before 1947, perhaps even married to another woman, and had other sons or daughters.
kiterunner
06-03-17, 16:29
This is the National Probate Calendar entry from 1957:
SADLER Ernest Joseph Desmond of 13 Kent-road Tottenham London died 19 August 1957 at St Anns General Hospital Tottenham Administration London 27 August to Winifred Sadler widow. Effects £403 10s 9d.
kiterunner
06-03-17, 16:33
Ernest D J Sadler married Violet Raven Jul-Sep 1932 Edmonton. Albert, I will send you a PM with info about any likely children of that marriage, as I think this could be the same person as Ernest J D Sadler with the initials swopped over.
Albert, I think this may possibly be your cousin.
SADLER ERNEST DESMOND 13 September 2012 3891144 16 June 2012 Grant and will Ipswich
kiterunner
06-03-17, 16:49
There is a death for a Violet Sadler Jan-Mar 1946 Edmonton, age 37.
And this is from the National Probate Calendar for 1946:
SADLER Violet of 13 Kent-road Tottenham London N15 (wife of Ernest Desmond Sadler) died 27 January 1946 at North Middlesex County Hospital Edmonton London N18 Administration London 8 May to the said Ernest Joseph Desmond Sadler trolley bus driver. Effects £421 7s 6d.
So my suspicions are not without foundation. My uncle Ernest had first been married aged 28-years to Violet, a name I recall being mentioned. I further suspect that some kids had been born between 1932 and 1946 (a period of 14-years) when Violet had died. There must be a record of this somewhere.
kiterunner
06-03-17, 16:58
Albert, I sent you a PM with the children's names. Didn't you get it?
Yes, thank you very much. It transpires then that I had two secret female cousins at least.
The elder of the girls has a 1988 - 2008 electoral roll address in Brandon, Suffolk. There doesn't seem to be anything more recent, however, and there is no phone number for that address on the BT website.
The elder of the girls has a 1988 - 2008 electoral roll address in Brandon, Suffolk. There doesn't seem to be anything more recent, however, and there is no phone number for that address on the BT website.
So the eldest one would now be around 83-years-old while her sister will be about 82. I would love to meet them.
So the eldest one would now be around 83-years-old while her sister will be about 82. I would love to meet them.
Check your PMs in a moment. I shall send you an address for the elder girl's son, who you could write to. The address is correct as of 2015, so I think it would perhaps be worth sending a wee note explaining who you are and why you're wanting to get in touch.
Check your PMs in a moment. I shall send you an address for the elder girl's son, who you could write to. The address is correct as of 2015, so I think it would perhaps be worth sending a wee note explaining who you are and why you're wanting to get in touch.
Thanks for the address James18. I will get in touch quick and hope not to be too late.
Thanks for the address James18. I will get in touch quick and hope not to be too late.
I hope you're successful, Albert.
With any luck he'll be able to give you contact details for his aunt, too.
What's your next family mystery? :)
Thanks for enquiring about my next family mystery James18 now aged 28!
My uncle Ernest had two bothers, also trolleybus drivers on the same routes in north London.
Herbert F G Sadler was born in Docking 1900.
Percy Alexander H G Sadler born in Docking 1902.
I recall both uncles living alone in Edmonton and Enfield. However, I doubt very much that they had never produced any kids who would also be my cousins. Hopefully, some records exist?
Albert, if your great uncles did have any children then they'd be very difficult to trace unless they were legitimate, which from what you say does not appear to be the case.
You're talking about people born c1920 - 1945 who can't be traced through census records, and can't be easily traced through birth records, because we don't know what the mothers' names would be.
Do you have any names to go on?
One name is Christine Grace Sadler born 1946. I believe both of the uncles mentioned had been married at some time.
Looks like your Uncle Percy may have married twice:
1925: Sadler Percy A H G Money Edmonton 3a 1273
1948: Sadler Percy A Alabaster Edmonton 5e 404
Looks like your Uncle Percy may have married twice:
1925: Sadler Percy A H G Money Edmonton 3a 1273
1948: Sadler Percy A Alabaster Edmonton 5e 404
Suspicion justified again!!! How many kids did they produce????
Suspicion justified again!!! How many kids did they produce????
4 from the first marriage and 1 from the second, I think.
The eldest daughter from the first marriage:
NAME: MS Agnes Gertrude Head
BIRTH: 1927
DEATH: 20 Dec 2013 - North Walsham, Norfolk, England
Married Frederick W. Head in Edmonton in 1950.
The eldest daughter from the first marriage:
NAME: MS Agnes Gertrude Head
BIRTH: 1927
DEATH: 20 Dec 2013 - North Walsham, Norfolk, England
Married Frederick W. Head in Edmonton in 1950.
Is there any record of the other four births?
Is there any record of the other four births?
I expect James didn't post the others because he hadn't been able to confirm they are deceased.
You can use this free site:
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
to look them up yourself... In this case, click 'Births' and complete the names for 'Surname' and 'Spouse/Mother surname' (James posted them in post #34) and perhaps restrict the date range to something appropriate. Then click 'Find'.
That's correct, Merry.
There are several probable marriages for your Uncle Percy's son of the same name, it seems, but although he is probably still alive I have not yet been able to find an address for him.
I haven't been able to find anything about the lady you mentioned in post #33 of this thread. Might she have been a Sadler by marriage?
James, if you Google "Christine Grace Sadler" you will see where the info came from.
James, if you Google "Christine Grace Sadler" you will see where the info came from.
Oh, an unclaimed estate, I see.
I wonder who she was. I can't find a birth for her.
Oh, an unclaimed estate, I see.
I wonder who she was. I can't find a birth for her.
I tried to use to free BMD but it is very complicated for me. I just paid £9.45 for her birth certificate.
That's correct, Merry.
There are several probable marriages for your Uncle Percy's son of the same name, it seems, but although he is probably still alive I have not yet been able to find an address for him.
I haven't been able to find anything about the lady you mentioned in post #33 of this thread. Might she have been a Sadler by marriage?
Christine Grace Sadler was a spinster living somewhere in Bedfordshire.
I tried to use to free BMD but it is very complicated for me. I just paid £9.45 for her birth certificate.
But whose birth certificate did you order? What details did you look for?
Before you spend money on certificates, it might be an idea to try to confirm details here first.
But whose birth certificate did you order? What details did you look for?
Before you spend money on certificates, it might be an idea to try to confirm details here first.
I only know date of birth and death for Christine Grace plus born in Dunstable.
The information posted on the Bona Vacantia site will be the information given by the informant who registered her death. This information may be incorrect.
Albert, where did you apply to for Christine's birth certificate?
Albert, where did you apply to for Christine's birth certificate?
I did it about one hour ago. I think it is called the GRO. I used it last week but forget why!!!
Well, I'm afraid the GRO won't find anything because there is no entry on their index.
The records held at the GRO are copies of what is held at the local register offices where events are registered. Very occasionally records are 'lost' between the local offices and the GRO. If you want to be completely certain there is no birth registration in the name Christine Grace Sadler you would need to apply to the local register office who hold the birth records for Dunstable in 1946. This is either Luton:
The Register Office, 6 George Street West, Luton LU1 2BJ
[email protected]
or Central Bedfordshire:
The Register Office, Pilgrim Centre, 20 Brickhill Drive, Bedford MK41 7PZ
[email protected]
(it's not possible to know which office has the records without contacting them)
There's a remote chance they might have a record which is not at the GRO.
If the estate was large there's every chance some heir hunter company will have already done this and found nothing.
kiterunner
07-03-17, 12:21
My guess is that she was adopted or changed her name for some other reason, or was born outside of England and Wales (in which case the birthplace given for her is wrong, but of course that's possible). Do you know for sure that she was a relative of yours, Albert?
My guess is that she was adopted or changed her name for some other reason, or was born outside of England and Wales (in which case the birthplace given for her is wrong, but of course that's possible). Do you know for sure that she was a relative of yours, Albert?
I only suspect Christine to be related. It is only her birth certificate that would confirm so.
Could be something, could be nothing...
There's a birth for a Philip J Sadler, mmn Parish, Q1 1930 Pancras, London.
There's also a will & grant entry for a Philip James Sadler - date of death: 26/09/2013 - on the government's probate search website.
Would this be your cousin, Albert, or am I at crossed wires? (Quite possible!)
I feel that Philip had been another of my secret cousins.
Is there any information about the date of death or a marriage for Herbert F G Sadler, born 1900 in Docking please?
kiterunner
07-03-17, 13:31
Herbert's full name was Herbert Frederick Granville Edmund Sadler (see post #6).
He was baptised 29 Jul 1900 at Ingoldisthorpe, date of birth given as 24 Apr 1900.
National Probate Calendar entry from 1976:
SADLER, Herbert Frederick Granville Edmund of 14 Victoria Villas Victoria Road Waltham Abbey Essex died 15 June 1976. Administration London 20 August £13443.
The date of birth on the matching death registration is 24 Apr 1900, confirming this is the right person.
I can't see a marriage for him.
Herbert's death was registered Q2 1976 in Epping Forest district vol 9 page 2198
Probate entry:
Herbert Frederick Granville Edmund Sadler
date of death 15 Jun 1976
place of death Waltham Abbey Essex
Administration 20 Aug 1976
Post #34 on this thread has Percy Sadler marrying someone called Money in 1925.
In 1939 Herbert Sadler dob 24 Apr 1900, bus driver, is single and living with Richard Money b 1872, watchman, Charles W Money 1916, lorry driver and Charles F Sadler b 6 Aug 1869 painter and decorator at 33 Claremont Street , Edmonton M.B., Middlesex.
I don't know if those people called Money are just a coincidence. Maybe not.
kiterunner
07-03-17, 13:40
I feel that Philip had been another of my secret cousins.
The only reason that Philip was mentioned on this thread was because his mother's maiden name was Parish, similar to the maiden name of Ernest's second wife, Parrish. But like I said before, there is a Sadler / Parish marriage in Lambeth in 1929: Edward J Sadler / Adelaide V Parish, so I expect they were Philip's parents, and you haven't mentioned being related to Edward J Sadler.
Looking at the 1953 London electoral register on ancestry, Edward J Sadler, Adelaide V Sadler and Philip J Sadler are all together at the same address.
The only reason that Philip was mentioned on this thread was because his mother's maiden name was Parish, similar to the maiden name of Ernest's second wife, Parrish. But like I said before, there is a Sadler / Parish marriage in Lambeth in 1929: Edward J Sadler / Adelaide V Parish, so I expect they were Philip's parents, and you haven't mentioned being related to Edward J Sadler.
Looking at the 1953 London electoral register on ancestry, Edward J Sadler, Adelaide V Sadler and Philip J Sadler are all together at the same address.
I never heard of Edward so I will assume there was not relationship with the Parish marriage. There may have been a distant relationship that is impossible to establish. Thanks anyway.
Mary from Italy
07-03-17, 15:40
Post #34 on this thread has Percy Sadler marrying someone called Money in 1925.
In 1939 Herbert Sadler dob 24 Apr 1900, bus driver, is single and living with Richard Money b 1872, watchman, Charles W Money 1916, lorry driver and Charles F Sadler b 6 Aug 1869 painter and decorator at 33 Claremont Street , Edmonton M.B., Middlesex.
I don't know if those people called Money are just a coincidence. Maybe not.
Percy Sadler married Gertrude A Money in Edmonton in 1925. There's a Gertrude Alice Money born Edmonton in 1903; in 1911 she was with her parents Richard and Gertrude, her two siblings, Susan and Alfred, and a couple of lodgers.
Richard Money and his wife Gertrude, née Merry :) , had two more children after 1911, Emma L born 1912 and Charles W born 1916.
By 1939 Richard was widowed, and living at 33 Claremont Street, Edmonton with his son Charles W and the two Sadlers, his son-in-law Percy's brother Herbert and father Charles.
Percy and his wife Gertrude were living next door but one, at 29 Claremont Street , Edmonton.
Mary from Italy
07-03-17, 16:25
Looking at the 1953 London electoral register on ancestry, Edward J Sadler, Adelaide V Sadler and Philip J Sadler are all together at the same address.
Yes, they're also together in 1939.
I think Edward may be the half-brother of Ernest and the others; just checking it out.
Mary from Italy
07-03-17, 17:20
Edward Sandler (born 1902) wasn't the half-brother of Ernest and the others: his father was a Charles Frederick Sandler, but not the same one who married Agnes Grimes. His mother was Louisa Caroline, née Sadler.
Edward's father was born in 1855 and died at 3, Shannon Grove, Brixton in 1906, whereas the father of Ernest and the others was born in 1869 and died in 1941.
Luton register office say the can find no birth certificate for Christine Sadler without knowing the names of her parents.
John Sadler was born around 1929 and he died on 1st December 2015. Did he marry and have any children please?
kiterunner
08-03-17, 10:29
Can you give us some more information about John Sadler, Albert? Such as, where did he die, who were his parents, where was he born, if you know? And any middle names that he had. Otherwise we don't know where to start looking.
Can you give us some more information about John Sadler, Albert? Such as, where did he die, who were his parents, where was he born, if you know? And any middle names that he had. Otherwise we don't know where to start looking.
Full name is John Ernest Dowley Sadler. Death had been in Leighton Buzzard area.
kiterunner
08-03-17, 11:42
His date of death is shown as 24 Nov 2015 on the probate search site, and he left a will.
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/Wills?Surname=sadler&SurnameGrants=sadler&FirstName=john&FirstNameGrants=john&YearOfDeath=2015&YearOfDeathGrants=2015&AdvancedSearch=True&IsGrantSearch=True&IsCalendarSearch=False#wills
Googling for his name also comes up with death notices giving the date of death as 24 Nov 2015.
There is a likely marriage for him in 1949 but I don't know whether his wife is still alive, so won't post the details up here. If you search on FreeBMD (link below) for marriages, Surname = Sadler, first name John E D, it should come up, but let me know if you can't find it and I will send you a PM. Unfortunately the wife's surname is too common to be able to tell whether they had any children from searching the birth index. His will should tell you but I wouldn't advise ordering that unless you know for sure that he was a relative of yours, otherwise you could be wasting money.
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
Also, if you have a subscription to ancestry, there is a private tree on there called "Sadler Family Tree" which has John E D Sadler born 1929 London in it, so you could try contacting the owner of that tree for more information.
How can there be no record of birth and death certificates of a person, Christine Grace Sadler, who is known to have died on 10th April 2010 and must therefore have been born?
kiterunner
08-03-17, 13:29
Like I said before, my guess is that either she was adopted or she changed her name for some other reason, or the birthplace is wrong and she was born outside of England and Wales.
Though I didn't know there was no death certificate - are you saying you applied for that and were told it didn't exist?
Like I said before, my guess is that either she was adopted or she changed her name for some other reason, or the birthplace is wrong and she was born outside of England and Wales.
Though I didn't know there was no death certificate - are you saying you applied for that and were told it didn't exist?
I have paid for the birth certificate but got an e-mail an hour ago to tell me there is no record of the death. This is from the Registration and Coroner Services at Bedford so how can the Treasury Solicitor say that she had died and was born on any date?
kiterunner
08-03-17, 13:47
Maybe she died in another country? Edit - no, sorry, I see she is supposed to have died in Bedford. Not sure.
kiterunner
08-03-17, 13:53
That's odd, though - the "date of publication" on the Bona Vacantia site is 1st Jan 1997. :confused:
http://bona-vacantia.com/unclaimed-estate/sadler-christine-grace/date-of-death/10042010
Edit - that isn't the official Government site, but it just says "Historic" on the official one.
That's odd, though - the "date of publication" on the Bona Vacantia site is 1st Jan 1997. :confused:
http://bona-vacantia.com/unclaimed-estate/sadler-christine-grace/date-of-death/10042010
Edit - that isn't the official Government site, but it just says "Historic" on the official one.
So she is advertised as being dead 13-years before she died?????
kiterunner
08-03-17, 14:12
I guess the "date of publication" must be a mistake.
I guess the "date of publication" must be a mistake.
I have lodged a formal complaint with the official solicitors.:cool:
Albert, did you remember to write to the cousin's son I messaged you the details of?
Albert, did you remember to write to the cousin's son I messaged you the details of?
I wrote a letter but have not been out to post it as I am not well enough.
His date of death is shown as 24 Nov 2015 on the probate search site, and he left a will.
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/Wills?Surname=sadler&SurnameGrants=sadler&FirstName=john&FirstNameGrants=john&YearOfDeath=2015&YearOfDeathGrants=2015&AdvancedSearch=True&IsGrantSearch=True&IsCalendarSearch=False#wills
Googling for his name also comes up with death notices giving the date of death as 24 Nov 2015.
There is a likely marriage for him in 1949 but I don't know whether his wife is still alive, so won't post the details up here. If you search on FreeBMD (link below) for marriages, Surname = Sadler, first name John E D, it should come up, but let me know if you can't find it and I will send you a PM. Unfortunately the wife's surname is too common to be able to tell whether they had any children from searching the birth index. His will should tell you but I wouldn't advise ordering that unless you know for sure that he was a relative of yours, otherwise you could be wasting money.
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
Also, if you have a subscription to ancestry, there is a private tree on there called "Sadler Family Tree" which has John E D Sadler born 1929 London in it, so you could try contacting the owner of that tree for more information.
The free BMD only says marriage/Wood Green/[bride's surname].
kiterunner
08-03-17, 16:42
Yes, when you have that result on the screen, click on the page number (1581) and it will come up with a list of people on that page, and you will see a corresponding entry for the person who married a Sadler.
Yes, when you have that result on the screen, click on the page number (1581) and it will come up with a list of people on that page, and you will see a corresponding entry for the person who married a Sadler.
He married [name removed] 1949 but no births are shown for any children born to that marriage.
kiterunner
08-03-17, 17:25
Albert, I have removed her name from your posts in case she is still alive.
There are a lot of Sadler births with that surname as MMN but no easy way to know which, if any, of them, belong to that couple. Like I said, the easiest way to find out whether he had any children would probably be to order a copy of his will.
I am a decendent of Ernest and winnifred I'm actually there grand daughter and daughter of there youngest son I would like to find out more and so would my father
Many thanks
kiterunner
13-11-21, 17:40
Can you tell us what exactly you are trying to find out, please?
I'm trying to find out about my uncles and unties to my father's side which I have no names or dob just my father and winnifred and Ernest was my grand parents I also have a sister that died and a older brother but he was last know to my father to be in aussie land if I could have any info would be great
kiterunner
16-11-21, 22:35
O.k.
Winifred Alabaster married Albert H C Parrish Jul-Sep 1933 Edmonton district. Winifred is probably the one whose birth was registered Apr-Jun 1912 Edmonton district, since her date of birth on the 1939 Register is 10 Mar 1912.
Albert H C Parrish died Oct-Dec 1946 Edmonton, age 37.
Ernest D J Sadler married Violet Raven Jul-Sep 1932 Edmonton.
Violet Sadler died Jan-Mar 1946 Edmonton, age 37.
Ernest J D Sadler married Winifred Parrish Apr-Jun 1947 Edmonton.
So, since your father's parents were Ernest and Winifred, he had older half-siblings on both sides - children of Ernest and Violet and one side, and of Albert and Winifred on the other. I will have to send you their names in a PM because I don't know whether they are still alive.
There is a Sadler / Parish marriage in 1929 in Lambeth, though, James. (Edward J Sadler / Adelaide V Parish). And Ernest and Winifred didn't get married till 1947. So I doubt that Philip is connected.
ernest joesph sadler and winifred parrish are my grand parents ernest joesph sadler dad was charles frederic sadler what im trying to find out is which one was in the riffle brigade and which one got the african cross and if either was in the army as my father has died and he couldnt remember as ernest joesph died just before his birthday if u can help me would be grateful as im booing to go normandy and dont now how charles died
many thanks
kiterunner
03-04-23, 22:27
Sadlerj, are you the same person as jsadler who posted posts #83 and #85 above, please? If so then I will need to merge your two accounts, so let me know which one you would like to keep.
kiterunner
03-04-23, 22:49
There is a record of a Charles Frederick Sadler who was in the Rifle Brigade in WWI but he does not appear to be the same person as your great-grandfather.
kiterunner
04-04-23, 08:35
I think this is your great-grandfather Charles F Sadler on the 1939 Register (already mentioned previously in this thread):
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/61596/images/tna_r39_0730_0730a_004?backlabel=ReturnSearchResul ts&queryId=a72556a142e6a44f119bb6bd6e06e5ea&pId=9873333
At 33 Claremont Street, Edmonton, date of birth 6 Aug 1869, painter (i.e. house painter). There is a Charles F Sadler death in Edmonton Jan-Mar 1941 age 72 which is probably him.
The Charles Frederick Sadler who was in the Rifle Brigade died in 1916 in WWI, so is not the same person.
kiterunner
04-04-23, 11:57
As for Ernest, most WW2 records aren't available online yet so I can't find out whether he was in the army or not. He would have been the right age for conscription in WW2.
Do we know who his father is as I’m just trying to trace which one of my family have the African star and was in army and this is the account as wouldn’t let me reset password many thanks
kiterunner
04-04-23, 21:48
Do we know who whose father is?
kiterunner
04-04-23, 21:55
The Africa Star is a WW2 medal and as I said, most WW2 records are not available online yet.
O.k.
Winifred Alabaster married Albert H C Parrish Jul-Sep 1933 Edmonton district. Winifred is probably the one whose birth was registered Apr-Jun 1912 Edmonton district, since her date of birth on the 1939 Register is 10 Mar 1912.
Albert H C Parrish died Oct-Dec 1946 Edmonton, age 37.
Ernest D J Sadler married Violet Raven Jul-Sep 1932 Edmonton.
Violet Sadler died Jan-Mar 1946 Edmonton, age 37.
Ernest J D Sadler married Winifred Parrish Apr-Jun 1947 Edmonton.
So, since your father's parents were Ernest and Winifred, he had older half-siblings on both sides - children of Ernest and Violet and one side, and of Albert and Winifred on the other. I will have to send you their names in a PM because I don't know whether they are still alive.
please can you send me the details as was writing to them to find out if alive and my fathers family i have a picture of a women called beryl who percy sadler said was his sister but never really spoke about any one else bar a people called alan and janet who had a daughter michelle who was my god parents but i dont now their last names or dob
any help with this would be greatful
kiterunner
05-04-23, 17:05
I sent you the details before - to your old account. I believe that when I merged your two accounts, the PM's from the old account should have been moved to your new account. Have a look at your private messages to see whether they are there. (There is a link at the top right-hand corner of the screen.)
do we have any other records on names removed please
kiterunner
09-04-23, 17:52
The names which you mentioned in your latest post are from PM's which I sent to you, and the reason I sent the PM's is because those people may still be alive and our website rules say not to post details of living people unless you have their permission to post them. I don't have any more information than what I sent you in the PM's.
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