Anyone bored? Ariel alert!

[HarrysMum]

I thought I'd have a look at this tree again and see if I can clean it up a bit.

Now, I've found a lot of names and dates without sources and can't attach them with any certainty, except gut feeling in some cases.

Part of the trouble is that I had a lot on a USB stick which I've lost.

What I have is the following. All in Bristol.

William Ariel marries Elizabeth Kirkby 16-4-1787. (some places have Hinkley, but it is KIRKBY) William supposed to be born 1757.

William's siblings....

Elizabeth.....1752-1850. Married Joshua Taylor, one daughter, Sarah. Can't find much on this.

Mary..bap 12-3-1742. Married Charles Berry 15-8-1804 (have a fair bit on this)

Sarah....1741. Assume Sarah married Nicholas Walker 1764.


The above four seem to be the children of William Ariel (1724-1792) and Elizabeth Griffith (1718-1798)

I have this William's mother as Catherine (nothing else, just Catherine)

Also in the mix is a John Ariel baptised 4-2-1727 (assume maybe William's brother)

And.....just to make it even more fun. Two Sarah Ariels.

Sarah Ariel married Austen Webb 25-6-1746
Sarah Ariel married Daniel White 6-7-1746.

I've seen the original PRs for these two so know there are two different Sarahs.

All the above was St Philips and St Jacobs Bristol.

If anyone would like to make sense of this.... or add to it, that would be great.

I'll understand if everyone runs. :)

[kiterunner]

Looking at my Bristol marriages CD (1754-1812):
William Ariel of St James married Elizabeth Kirkby OTP 16 Apr 1787 St Philip & St Jacob, by licence. Unfortunately the disk doesn't give witnesses' names.

Joshua Taylor, accountant, OTP, married Elizabeth Ariell, spinster, of Castle Precincts, 13 Jul 1775 at St James, by licence.

Charles Berry, gentleman, of St Philip & St Jacob, married Mary Ariel, spinster, OTP, 15 Aug 1804 at St James, by licence.

Nicholas Walker OTP married Sarah Ariel OTP 10 Nov 1764 at St Philip & St Jacob, by banns. The "notes" column says "Wade Street" but I don't know what the context of that is.

There are also these Ariels:
John Ariel OTP married Betty Joy 23 Feb 1755 at St James, by banns
Thomas Ormond OTP married Ann Ariell OTP 23 Dec 1759 at St James, by banns
John Griffiths OTP married Jane Ariell OTP 31 Dec 1767 at St James, by licence
John Abbott OTP married Elizabeth Ariell OTP 5 Apr 1768 at St James, by banns.

[kiterunner]

FamilySearch has the baptism of an Eliz Ariel 5 May 1745 at St Philip & St Jacob, daughter of Wm Ariel. And the burial of a Betty Ariel 24 Jul 1745 but it just says Bristol and doesn't give an age.

[kiterunner]

FMP has William Ariel / Elz Griffiths in the Boyd's marriage indexes, Bristol Diocese Marriage Licences, 1748. So if that date is correct, your Mary 1742 and Sarah 1741 are unlikely to be children of this couple.
Edit - this marriage also comes up on FamilySearch: Wm Ariell married Eliz Griffith or Grifith 3 Sep 1748 Clifton, Gloucestershire.

Annoyingly enough, FamilySearch doesn't seem to consider Ariell as a variant of Ariel, so we need to search for everything twice on there now!

[kiterunner]

Bristol Archives' catalogue seems to be down for maintenance, so we need to remember to have a look on there later.

[kiterunner]

John, son of Will Ariel, is listed in the Register of Duties Paid for Apprentices' Indentures, master was Stepn Bagg of Bristol, currier, date 6 Feb 1741:
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/1851/GB1337-11724/501268?backurl=&ssrc=&backlabel=Return

[HarrysMum]

Thank you.
That confirms most of what I have. I'm wondering if that 1748 marriage is William's second marriage as I know William (b 1757ish), Mary (who marries Charles Berry) and Elizabeth(b 1852) and Sarah (who marries Joshua Taylor...I have 1775) consider themselves to be siblings according to the will of William.

[anne fraser]

There are a few Ariel burials on the BAFHS index but frustratingly no ages given.
http://www.bafhs.org.uk/research-room/monumental-inscriptions?option=com_joodb&view=catalog&format=html&rese

[HarrysMum]

Thanks Anne.

Jane is a common Ariel name so presume one or both of those belong.

Emila (on PR it's Emerla) was the daughter of Myles Ariel and Elizabeth Naylor, so granddaughter of WilliamAriel. She died as a baby.

Henry is William's son and died in infancy.

David is the odd one. I don't have any record of him. Strangely Myles Ariel has a son, David born 1818 who died in West Indies in 1838. Maybe he was named after the David who died in 1817. He will probably belong to William, as William's father in law was David Kirkby.

[kiterunner]

I don't know whether I've looked them up in the Bristol Burgess Books before?
William Ariel, vintner, 1 Apr 1773, patron council
William Ariel, accountant, 25 Oct 1797, patron council
Myles Ariel, broker, 4 Jul 1814, patron William Ariel, broker.

Rats, I was hoping the Williams would have their fathers or other relatives as patrons! Though I suppose it's earlier than that that you need anyway.

[kiterunner]

Ah, this might come in handy:
http://www.genealogistsforum.co.uk/forum/showpost.php?p=175060&postcount=59
Probably need to read through the rest of that thread too. (But I'll leave that to you as there are 30 pages!)

http://www.genealogistsforum.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=13223
(link for whole thread)

[anne fraser]

Could David be another son of Miles who died in infancy?

[Merry]

I don't know if this helps at all?

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m13/merry_monty_montgomery/Other%20Research/Image1.jpg (http://s100.photobucket.com/user/merry_monty_montgomery/media/Other%20Research/Image1.jpg.html)

[HarrysMum]

Thanks Merry. That was one of things on my missing USB... :(

Anne..... David could be an earlier child, but I think he may be uncle, only because David was William's father in law and quite a well known gentleman.

Kite... Didn't know we had an accountant. I knew the other two occupations.

I wish I could work out why I have Catherine (no surname) as the mother of William so far back. I don't even have a father for him.

I'd forgotten about young Joshua Taylor and Charlotte Perkins. I will go back and read the old threads and see if I should be buying something. There must be some wills.

Amazing what's wiped from your memory. I was really ill last November and am trying to remember basic things still. Driving me crazy.... :)

[Merry]

I know why you said Catherine for the mother of William who was married to Eliz Griffith.....

From the list here:

http://www.genealogistsforum.co.uk/Forum/showpost.php?p=175060&postcount=59

I can look at those 1781 entries as they are now on Ancestry.

There are two copies of what is actually only one burial (indexed twice as Catherine Ariell and as William Ariell). The first entry says:


Broad Mead Bristol Baptist burial records
26 Sept 1781 Cathrine Ariell was inter'd 16 yards from the north wall 3 years from the east wall

The second entry (different book) says:

26 Sept 1781 Wil'm Ariell mother
to a member £0 0s 0d

[HarrysMum]

Merry....... I can't remember googling John Bennett. I have this afternoon and come up with nothing about this fellow.

Is it the Castle-Hill in Northamptonshire?

[HarrysMum]

Found it.