Yorkshire family has 6 generations alive at the same time

[Mary from Italy]

A family from West Yorkshire is believed to be the first in Britain to have six generations alive at the same time.

The Hanson family from Bradford has 44 living members ranging from the oldest, aged 103, to the most recent arrival, born on Christmas Day.

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/jan/21/nought-to-103-in-six-generations-bradford-hanson-family-claim-uk-record

[Merry]

Should we check this one out?!

Cornishman 10 January 1923

The Death has occurred at Ide Hill, near Sevenoaks, Kent, of Mrs. Eliza Sutton, at the age of 104........There are six generations of her family alive. Her husband died 14 years ago at the age of 87.

I presume the six generations would include Eliza, so that should probably say "five generations of her family alive".

Hmm....104??

Deaths Mar 1923**
SUTTON Eliza 100 Sevenoaks 2a 926

[Shona]

The world record is seven generations, apparently.

The youngest great-great-great-great-grandparent being Augusta Bunge (USA) aged 109 years 97 days, followed by her daughter aged 89, her grand-daughter aged 70, her great-grand-daughter aged 52, her great-great grand-daughter aged 33 and her great-great-great grand-daughter aged 15 on the birth of her great-great-great-great grandson on 21 January 1989.

[Merry]

The oldest person on my tree (d 1900) had only one living child at her death, four living grandchildren one of whom was under a year old and three living great grandchildren!

I did find two Victorian headlines about six generation families, one where when I read the article there were only five generations mentioned (in the US) and the other was an aristocratic line that appeared to be complete fabrication, as far as I could tell.

For me a potentially more interesting statistic which I saw come up in the papers a few times when I was looking for other six generation families, is where individuals have known a large number of generations of their family. So, if you have known your great grandparents (or one of them!) and then you become a great-grandparent yourself you will have known six other generations of your family (if you ever met all these people, of course!)

[Olde Crone]

I can only claim to have known one great grandparent which is pretty pathetic.

If we could shift the goalposts a bit, lol, my 3 xx ggf born in 1797 left 200 pounds in his will to his youngest granddaughter. She in turn left me 200 pounds and I am just about to buy my youngest granddaughter 200 pounds worth of premium bonds, thus linking 1797 to 2017!

OC

[kiterunner]

Should we check this one out?!

Cornishman 10 January 1923

The Death has occurred at Ide Hill, near Sevenoaks, Kent, of Mrs. Eliza Sutton, at the age of 104........There are six generations of her family alive. Her husband died 14 years ago at the age of 87.

I presume the six generations would include Eliza, so that should probably say "five generations of her family alive".

Hmm....104??

Deaths Mar 1923**
SUTTON Eliza 100 Sevenoaks 2a 926


This is Eliza in 1911:
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/2352/rg14_04018_0227_03/50472447?backurl=&ssrc=&backlabel=Return

[kiterunner]

And I think this is her in 1901 with husband, daughter and granddaughter:
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/7814/KENRG13_745_746-0452/5533890?backurl=&ssrc=&backlabel=Return

[Merry]

I can only claim to have known one grandparent which is even more pathetic! lol I would have to have been born 25 years earlier to overlap with even one great grandparent.

[kiterunner]

Eliza Sutton's maiden name seems to have been Vine, but I can't find her marriage to George Sutton and not sure which of their children are hers to check whether there were really 6 generations of her actual family when she died:

1909 National Probate Calendar SUTTON George of Rose Cottage Ide-hill near Sevenoaks Kent died 26 June 1909 Probate London 28 August to Emily Smith (wife of George Smith). Effects £1037 17s 7d.

1881 census Shambles, Sevenoaks, Kent
Geo Sutton Head Mar 45 Sweep & Contractor Mdx London
Martha Do Dau Un 20 Domestic Servt Kent Westerham
Eliza Do Wife Mar 44 " Sevenoaks
Richd Do Son Unm 18 Sweep Asst Kent Bexleyheath
Jos Sutton ? Unm 17 "
Charlotte Sutton Daur 16 Sevenoaks
Alice 14, Emily 12, Celia 10, Olive 9, Rose 8

1871 same address
George Sutton Head Mar 40, Eliza 40, George 15 born Plaxtol, Eliza 14 Plaxtol, Marth 13 Sevenoaks, Maryann 11, Richard 12, Joseph 8, Charlotte 7, Alice 4, Emily 2, Celia 1

1861 census 14 Sun Alley, Eltham, Kent
George Sutton Head Mar 30 Sweep NK
Eliza Sutton Wife Mar 26 Kent Sevenoaks
William Sutton son 13 Do Do Do
George Sutton Do 11 Do Do
Eliza 9, Martha 7, Mary Ann 4, Richard 2, Celia 4 mo

GRO birth index Emily Ann Sutton Oct-Dec 1868 Sevenoaks, MMN Vine
Cecilia Sutton Oct-Dec 1860 Lewisham, MMN Vine

[kiterunner]

Eliza Sutton's maiden name seems to have been Vine, but I can't find her marriage to George Sutton and not sure which of their children are hers to check whether there were really 6 generations of her actual family when she died:

1909 National Probate Calendar SUTTON George of Rose Cottage Ide-hill near Sevenoaks Kent died 26 June 1909 Probate London 28 August to Emily Smith (wife of George Smith). Effects £1037 17s 7d.

1881 census Shambles, Sevenoaks, Kent
Geo Sutton Head Mar 45 Sweep & Contractor Mdx London
Martha Do Dau Un 20 Domestic Servt Kent Westerham
Eliza Do Wife Mar 44 " Sevenoaks
Richd Do Son Unm 18 Sweep Asst Kent Bexleyheath
Jos Sutton ? Unm 17 "
Charlotte Sutton Daur 16 Sevenoaks
Alice 14, Emily 12, Celia 10, Olive 9, Rose 8

1871 same address
George Sutton Head Mar 40, Eliza 40, George 15 born Plaxtol, Eliza 14 Plaxtol, Marth 13 Sevenoaks, Maryann 11, Richard 12, Joseph 8, Charlotte 7, Alice 4, Emily 2, Celia 1

1861 census 14 Sun Alley, Eltham, Kent
George Sutton Head Mar 30 Sweep NK
Eliza Sutton Wife Mar 26 Kent Sevenoaks
William Sutton son 13 Do Do Do
George Sutton Do 11 Do Do
Eliza 9, Martha 7, Mary Ann 4, Richard 2, Celia 4 mo

GRO birth index Emily Ann Sutton Oct-Dec 1868 Sevenoaks, MMN Vine
Cecilia Sutton Oct-Dec 1860 Lewisham, MMN Vine

[kiterunner]

Did the Guardian do any fact-checking? What about this? Or did she emigrate and it isn't mentioned in the article?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1360880/Great-great-great-grandmothers-funeral-brings-368-members-family-together.html

[kiterunner]

Or this one, though I haven't found the original article yet:
https://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-86854701.html

[Merry]

Re the Vine/Sutton family - I've got fed up with them at the moment! Eliza says she had 13 children on the 1911 census but I've got 14 names just from the census and one more from the baptism records! I think I found her 'husband' single in 1851 (in Hackney?) so I don't know who the eldest two children belong to (Wm and George, whose ages vary even more than the other children!).

Eliza wasn't bap until 1831 (and nothing to suggest she wasn't a baby) and then to unmarried parents Joseph Vine and Eliza(beth?) Hills. I first thought some of Eliza Sutton's children had been registered with mmn Hills, but I see there are several families (or at least two!) with the Sutton/Hills combination.

I can't find Joseph Vine and his 'wife' in 1841 to confirm they have Eliza aged 10 with them, but they appear in later censuses. I can't find Eliza Sutton/Hills/Vine in 1851 to see if she already had those two sons (Wm and Geo). So many of the other children have variable ages and places of birth I found myself going round in circles. I thought if a family can't tell the ages of their children when they are teens and under what's the chances of them knowing how many generations of descendants they have!

[kiterunner]

Lol.

But from looking at those other articles, I don't think the Yorkshire family are the first in Britain in recent memory anyway.

[Mary from Italy]

Did the Guardian do any fact-checking?

Doesn't look like it, does it!

[Merry]

No.

I've not read all the articles, but the one I did read didn't suggest, within the article, that they were the only or first British family of six living gens but the only current living family with that situation. The headline on the one I read did suggested a new British record though.

In 1868 George Sutton, master sweep of Sevenoaks, was charged with allowing his son Richard, a lad of twelve to ascend a chimney for the purpose of sweeping it. Richard was listed as aged 2 in 1861 and 12 in 1871, so I doubt he was 12 in 1868. :mad: (I have given up with their tree, but was just being nosy re the newspapers)

Wikipedia:

The Chimney Sweepers and Chimneys Regulation Act 1840 made it illegal for anyone under the age of 21 to sweep chimneys. It was widely ignored. Attempts were made in 1852 and 1853 to reopen the issue, another enquiry was convened and more evidence was taken. There was no bill. The Chimney Sweepers Regulation Act 1864 tightened controls significantly, by authorizing fines and imprisonment for master sweeps who were ignoring the law, giving the police the power of arrest on suspicion and authorizing Board of Trade inspections of new and remodelled chimneys. Lord Shaftesbury was a main proponent of the Bill.

George was fined 10s plus 2s costs.

[HarrysMum]

I had five in a straight maternal line. If my mother had been the eldest child, we could have got six.

My grandmother was born 1894, her daughter 1928, me 1955, my daughter 1973, my granddaughter 1990. Grandma died in 1991 and Mum in 1993.

[Kit]

I met all my grandparents, although I don't remember my grandmother. She died before I turned 1.

I have a 4 generations photo of my grandad, father, me and my 3 eldest kids.

I also have a 4 generation photo on my OHs paternal line but off hand can't remember which of my children were in it.

I just remembered I have met my paternal great grandma. Again I don't remember but I do have photos of the occasion. I don't remember if my Grandad was in any of the photos though.