Gleeson births in Ireland

[geniebug]

I've just realised I have no confirmed births of any of the Gleeson family - only guessed from age at time of arrival in Australia or death of same. I don't have Ancestry any more :(

Could anyone please help? Sometimes they give their place of birth as Tipperary (taken from a death cert - so not sure), sometimes Ennis County Clare, but all seem to be around that area (inc. Limerick)

Thjs is what I have
Mary Gleeson Abt 1832 Tipperary (she married James Conway 1849 Ennis, came to Australia)
Ann Gleeson 1839 in Ireland (think she went to Australia)
Eliza Gleeson 1840 Ennis (she married John Deering 1862 Ennis, came to Australia)
Frances Kathleen Gleeson 1842 Ennis - went to Australia
Alice Gleeson 1835 (know nothing more, arrived Australia 1861)

Their parents were Michael George Gleeson (where, when, I don't know) &
Anne Tierney (where?) about 1807

I have all their information from then on in Australia - tho nothing further for Ann Gleeson b 1839, but she did go to Australia prior 1866. Nothing more for Alice either.

[kiterunner]

Were they Protestant or Catholic, Jood?

[geniebug]

50-50 from what the family heresay says. I think it was the father who was protestant and one of the girls wanted to be a protestant like him, so the mother must have been catholic and the girls.

[kiterunner]

Sorry, ancestry was lagging on my laptop so I thought I saw the name Anne Turney as the mother for a Mary Gleeson baptism, but it was actually for this one - last entry on the right-hand page:
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/61039/02480_01_0034/125703?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk% 2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3dIrelandCatholicParish%26gss%3 dsfs28_ms_r_db%26new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26MS_AdvCB%3d1 %26gsln%3dgl*s*n*%26gsln_x%3d1%26msbdy%3d1840%26ms bdy_x%3d1%26msbdp%3d10%26msfng%3dmic*%26msfng_x%3d 1%26msmng%3dann*%26msmng_x%3d1%26msmns%3dt*n*y%26m smns_x%3d1%26MSAV%3d2%26uidh%3dvm5&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults

Roscrea, Killaloe 5 Mar 1834 Anne of Michael Gleeson & Anne Tierney (or could be Turney) sponsor Hanna M????, abode Roscrea.

This is the copy on the National Library of Ireland website:
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634777#page/34/mode/1up

[geniebug]

You are a genius Kate!

I could not open the ancestry site, but could see the National Library entry which I've saved. I had her as born 1839.

I would never have thought to look for any children in Tipperary.
I have no other information on Ann, except that she came to Australia, and someone (a distant relative) was looking for her in the newspaper. They had put an ad in the paper for her and her mother. Don't know if she married or not. Notice in Argus February 1866
Miss A Gleeson and Mrs Goring supposed to be resident near Beechworth, are requested to forward their address to John Deering, Argus Office, Collins Street, Melbourne.

John Deering married the eldest Gleeson daughter (Mary)

What are the chances of finding the other girls' births in Ireland

[kiterunner]

Still looking.

This is the James Conway / Mary Gleeson marriage record, in case you haven't seen it:
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634713#page/26/mode/1up
27 May 1849 Drumclift, diocese of Killaloe
James Conway Clerk lives in Jail Street
Mary Gleeson dealer in bread & teas Jail Street
Married in presence of John Morrissy and Margret ?????? Thomas Mahony.

[kiterunner]

This is still the only likely Catholic baptism I can see for Mary but seems a bit too late if she married in 1849:
18 Apr 1835 Monsea, Tipperary - Mary of Michael and Ann Gleeson, sponsors Connor & Mary Gleeson, abode Ballycommon.
That couple also have Cornelius baptised in 1837 and James and Michael both baptised in 1841, so doesn't fit with your family.

[kiterunner]

This is Eliza's marriage record:
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634713#page/50/mode/1up
Drumclift 18 Jan 1862
John Deeran to Eliza Gleeson of Ennis in presence of Arthur Connor & Mary Anne Sweeny.

[kiterunner]

This is an odd one - baptism at Drumclift 27 Nov 1842 Michael, father Michael Gleeson, no mother, sponsors Bridget Considine and Martin Finucane.
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634714#page/22/mode/1up

Wonder whether "no mother" means she had died in childbirth?

(Having had no luck looking for the other girls' baptisms, I'm just looking for Gleesons in Drumclift at the moment.)

[kiterunner]

This one may or may not be connected:
26 Jan 1866 John Cunningham to Anne Gleeson both of Ennis in presence of Patrick Cunningham and Anne McDonagh.
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634713#page/56/mode/1up

Edit - this couple had children baptised at Drumclift up to 1878 so not your Anne as she was in Australia before 1866 - unless she returned to Ireland.

[kiterunner]

I see that we discussed the 1834 Co Tipperary baptism for Anne jr on an old thread a couple of years ago:
http://www.genealogistsforum.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=8547&highlight=gleeson&page=3
(see post #23 on that thread.)

[kiterunner]

Ooh, isn't this Eliza's baptism?! It's in a different database from the main Irish Catholic registers one so I'm not sure whether it is on the NLI site but will have a look in a minute:
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/6068/41885_b154502-00042/286735?backurl=&ssrc=&backlabel=Return

Mountrath, Laois (formerly Queen's County), 29 Jan 1832 Eliza, parents Michl Gleeson and Anne Tierny, sponsors Jno Caroll and Judith ?????, abode Coote St.

The surnames were mistranscribed but I have put in a correction.

And while we're there, here is another child, the mother's maiden name isn't so clear but given the location, I think it is the same family:
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/6068/41885_b154502-00030/288904?backurl=&ssrc=&backlabel=Return
Mountrath, Laois, 31 Jan 1830 John, parents Michl Gleeson & Anne ????, sponsors Ned Murphy and Honey(?) Condran, not sure what it says for abode.

Have to go and make tea now but will get back to this in a bit.

[kiterunner]

This is the NLI link for John's baptism:
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634519#page/16/mode/1up

and for Eliza's:
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634519#page/22/mode/1up

[geniebug]

This is the James Conway / Mary Gleeson marriage record, in case you haven't seen it:
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vt...ge/26/mode/1up
27 May 1849 Drumclift, diocese of Killaloe
James Conway Clerk lives in Jail Street
Mary Gleeson dealer in bread & teas Jail Street
Married in presence of John Morrissy and Margret ?????? Thomas Mahony.

These are my notes from years ago
Conway James Emlagh (Kilfearagh) 1827 29 Aug 1849
Mary Gleeson – Ennis 1857
“Samuel Locke” Victoria Emerald Hill (Sth Melbourne) (the ship)
Parents of James Conway - Thomas Conway, farmer - Anne Hickey.
James Conway was a Law and Land Agent in Kyneton until death 1876. (I only just noticed the 2nd name of James Conway (Emlagh) – (Kilfearagh) – so is Kilfearagh anywhere near Drumclift, diocese of Killaloe?

I am happy you’ve confirmed both James & Mary lived in Jail Street, because this substantiates some information I had on Michael Gleeson (her father). I knew from family hearsay that Michael had died from cholera, and although this Michael was not a Govt Official (as stated on a daughter’s death certificate) – I have the following

Clare Journal March 26th 1849 - "This morning in Jail Street, of Cholera, Mr Michael Gleeson, driver of the Limerick Car". I’m loving that it says Jail Street, where both Mary & James lived. So we can safely be assured it’s our Michael who did in fact die of Cholera as the gossip went.

Kate, I will have to leave the lookups till later this morning, as I have to go out for a few hours. I have copied all the information onto Word so I can study it more. I know I’ve written about this family before, but you have certainly found some new information.

This is Eliza's marriage record:
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vt...ge/50/mode/1up
Drumclift 18 Jan 1862
John Deeran to Eliza Gleeson of Ennis in presence of Arthur Connor & Mary Anne Sweeny.

No wonder it is hard to find this information – who would have thought to look up Deeran when his name was Deering. Drumclift throws me out tho, as I had her married in Ennis and I though Drumclift was miles away ( wonder why they did that?)

This is an odd one - baptism at Drumclift 27 Nov 1842 Michael, father Michael Gleeson, no mother, sponsors Bridget Considine and Martin Finucane.
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vt...ge/22/mode/1up

Wonder whether "no mother" means she had died in childbirth?

(Having had no luck looking for the other girls' baptisms, I'm just looking for Gleesons in Drumclift at the moment.)

That is a strange one, saying “no mother” as she (Ann) definitely came to Australia. Another saying in the family is that there were sons in the family, but I’ve never found any. Because I don’t know the marriage date of Michael & Ann, they could well have had sons prior to Mary in 1832. I'll have to find the source of those notes too, re the sons.

I’ll have to fly now Kate, will finish the rest off when I get home.

Thanks so much.

[kiterunner]

No wonder it is hard to find this information – who would have thought to look up Deeran when his name was Deering. Drumclift throws me out tho, as I had her married in Ennis and I though Drumclift was miles away ( wonder why they did that?) Both Mary's and Eliza's marriages are in the Drumclift parish records and it says "variant forms of parish name: Ennis" on the NLI site.


That is a strange one, saying “no mother” as she (Ann) definitely came to Australia. The father could be a different Michael Gleeson, though?

[kiterunner]

(I only just noticed the 2nd name of James Conway (Emlagh) – (Kilfearagh) – so is Kilfearagh anywhere near Drumclift, diocese of Killaloe?



By Googling:
http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclare/places/townlands/emlagh_kilfearagh.htm

It doesn't look as though Kilfearagh is very near to Drumclift.

[geniebug]

My mistake Kate, I hadn't put a comma when I typed that out a few years ago - it should have read James Conway, Emlagh, Kilfearagh – so is Kilfearagh anywhere near Drumclift, diocese of Killaloe?

Anyway I found this site - which mentions all three.

https://www.townlands.ie/clare/

His name is still just James Conway

[kiterunner]

As I already said, it doesn't look as though Kilfearagh is very near to Drumclift.

[geniebug]

As I already said, it doesn't look as though Kilfearagh is very near to Drumclift.Probably not - 59 mins today - but a lot longer in the 1880s.

[kiterunner]

Jood, just wondering whether you have looked at posts #12 and #13?

[geniebug]

Will do that right away - have been having trouble with computer .. grrrrrr

[geniebug]

Ooh, isn't this Eliza's baptism?! It's in a different database from the main Irish Catholic registers one so I'm not sure whether it is on the NLI site but will have a look in a minute:
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/60...cklabel=Return

Mountrath, Laois (formerly Queen's County), 29 Jan 1832 Eliza, parents Michl Gleeson and Anne Tierny, sponsors Jno Caroll and Judith ?????, abode Coote St.

The surnames were mistranscribed but I have put in a correction.

And while we're there, here is another child, the mother's maiden name isn't so clear but given the location, I think it is the same family:
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/60...cklabel=Return
Mountrath, Laois, 31 Jan 1830 John, parents Michl Gleeson & Anne ????, sponsors Ned Murphy and Honey(?) Condran, not sure what it says for abode.
I'm not sure about this given that I had her born "1840". I already had Mary born in 1832 (Tipperary), plus it does seen a long way from Ennis.

Having said this, I would have to find Mary's baptism. I'm not discounting that Michael & Ann had sons - it was said so, but I've never found any to date.

[geniebug]

Looking at Roots Ireland, they have a church baptism in 1834 in Co Tipperary (North): Anne Gleeson, father Michael, mother Ann Tierney. There may be extra information if you pay to view the record. If you have 25 credits left on that site you could use them to view it, but if not, they only do subscriptions now, with the cheapest being a 1 month single payment subscription at 25 Euros.

http://www.rootsireland.ie/
This is from previous message last year. If I undertook to confirm this in rootsireland, would I have a better chance of finding any other births do you think ie of possible sons? There appears to be a gap between a birth in 1834 & one in 1840

[kiterunner]

The Roots Ireland record would just tell you the same as you get for free on the NLI site - post #4 on this thread.

Of course you could search for free on Roots Ireland and then browse on the NLI site for any images you want to view.

[geniebug]

Ok when I went into Roots Ireland a while ago, I couldn't even get past the opening page to look (without paying) - so will have another go. Thanks for the heads up.

[kiterunner]

You're right Jood, sorry, it's asking me to subscribe now. I hadn't been on there for a while. They are always changing it!