Hollingworth and variants of Mottram-in-Longendale

[ElizabethHerts]

I'm trying to marshall my thoughts about this extensive family. They are well documented but as there are so many of them and names used many times it is easy to confuse them.

OH's 7x-great-grandparents are Higham Hollingworth and his wife Sarah Moult.
Higham was baptised on 22nd July 1675 at Mottram-in-Longendale. His father was Randle.

Higham Hollingworth left a will, probated in 1749 at Chester.

Randle Hollingworth doesn't appear to have left a will. I'm wondering if he also goes under the name of Randulph.

Randle's brother and Higham's uncle was Alexander Hollinworth. His will of 1692, probated in 1696, is giving me the most clues.

Alexander's wife was Anne. They obviously had no children. He makes bequests to Randle's sons, Higham and Alexander. Higham is mentioned the most.

[ElizabethHerts]

Randle and Alexander's father could well be John Hollingworth who was buried 2 February 1685/86.

From his will:
"Item I give unto my eldest Son Mr. Alexander
Hollingworth the sume of twelve pence. Item I give unto
my Son Mr Randulph Hollingworth ... "

Alexander's father, hopefully this John, had two families:
Alexander mentions "John Hollingworth & Ellen Hollingworth my half brother & sister".

John mentions his five children "still with me" in his will. His wife was Elizabeth.

Confusion arises as the names Alexander and John are popular in this family.
There is another John "of Tintwistle" living at the same time and having children baptised at the same time.

[kiterunner]

I think Randle could well be a variant of Randulph.

[ElizabethHerts]

Thanks, Kate, that's reassuring. It is hard to find much about him.

[ElizabethHerts]

Thanks to the following I have started to sort out this family and separate the children from those of OH's line:

Reference: E 134/3Geo1/Mich25
Description: Jonathan Ridge the younger and his wife Marah. v. Alice Hudson, widow, Samuel Reddish, Richd. Hurt, clerk, and his wife Deborah, Robt. Grantham (an infant), John Wagstaff the younger, John Ingham and his wife Mary, Hannah Wheatley, widow. Alice Nicholson, widow.: Last will and testament and the value and disposition of the real and personal estate of John Hollingworth, of Tintwisle (Hereford), gent., said estate including messuages, &c., in Tintwisle, Hollingworth, Mottram-in-Longdendale, and Godley (Chester), Sunderland, in the parish of Ashton-under-Line (Lancaster), Pogmore, Marblack, Bearnsley, and Shepley (York), &c., &c. [The names and possessions of Robt. Hollingworth (testator's son), Grace Hollingworth (testator's daughter, mother of plaintiff Marah,) Higham Hollingworth, Alice Hollingworth (testator's daughter, who married Ralph Nicholson, gent.), are mentioned.]: Chester; Lancaster.
Date: 3 Geo 1
Held by: The National Archives, Kew
Legal status: Public Record(s)
Closure status: Open Document, Open Description


This John Hollinworth married Alice Hyde or Hide by Licence on 8th May 1674.
She came from Denton.

John's will (29 July 1689) mentions his son Robert and daughters Alice, Grace, Anne and Deborah. There was also a daughter Elizabeth.

Elizabeth married John Wagstaffe. One document makes it look like 1680 but it seems rather early. It seems John came from Glossop, Derbyshire. Edit: in fact, she married at Glossop in 1678.

Alice bapt. 13 Feb 1674 at Mottram. She married Ralph Nicholson of Stockport on 4 Apr 1694. I have found 7 children for them

Grace had an illegitimate daughter, Mary or Marah, bapt. 8 Jun 1696 at Mottram. She married Jonathan Ridge.

Anne bapt. 24 Apr 1677 at Mottram. I haven't discovered if she died or married yet.

Deborah bapt. 30 Oct 1679 at Mottram. She married Richard Hurt, clerk.


After John Hollinworth died, his widow Alice married Thomas Hudson on 2 Feb 1698/99. Thomas was from Macclesfield. She was widowed and at the end of her life she was living at Stockport (where her daughter Alice Nicolson lived). I am transcribing her will of 1715. She mentions just two of her children, Alice Nicolson and Deborah Hurt. She also mentions a cousin Samuel Reddish.

Alice's family is interesting. Her brother was Robert Hyde of Denton and her nephew Robert Hyde of Hyde Bank, Cheshire.

[ElizabethHerts]

The thing about John Hollinworth of Tintwistle that intrigues me the most is what is the connection to Higham Hollinworth, who is mentioned in the document held at the National Archives? Is he a cousin of some sort? He isn't directly of this family.

[ElizabethHerts]

The marriage between Elizabeth Hollinworth and John Wagstaffe took place at Glossop in 1678, so she must have been born a lot earlier than some of her siblings:

22 Jul Johannes WAGSTAFFE of Glossop & Elizabetha HOLLINGWORTH of Tinsell (also on BT)

[ElizabethHerts]

Cheshire RO hold some documents that might be useful:

Repository Cheshire Record Office
Level Collection (Fonds)
Reference DDX 87
Title Hollingworth in Mottram in Longdendale, deeds and papers
Date 1638-1761
Description Relate to Hollingworth family of Hollingworth manor. Comprise detailed description of the demesne of Hollingworth with particulars of the descent of the manor, nd (1666-1672); declaration concerning right of way along the highway to Hollingworth Moor, 1638; memorandum of customary dues of Ralph Boyer, John Booth, Robert Boyer and George Moorhouse, tenants, 1718; agreement that Robert Line of Wooley Mill in Mottram in Longdendale, miller, may build a weir over the brook at Carr Wood in Hollingworth, 1761.
Extent 4 documents
URL http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/records.aspx?cat=017-ddx87&cid=0



Repository Cheshire Record Office
Level Item
Reference ZCR 63/1/34/7
Title Pedigree of the Hollingworth family of Hollingworth

Repository Cheshire Record Office
Level Item
Reference ZCR 63/1/120/1
Title Pedigrees, notes, extracts relating to the Hollingworth family of Hollingworth

[ElizabethHerts]

Alexander Hollinworth, the brother of Randle Hollinworth, lived at Nearer Hollingworth Hall. This may be helpful in tracing his line, but I'm not sure!

[Hollingworth Hall]

Hi Elizabeth, I am a member of the Hollingworth family of Mottram and have the entire history for the families you are speaking of. As you have deduced, John Hollinworth of the Old Manor House at Tintwistle manor and of Shepely, is a descendant of the Hollinworths from the Old Hall in Mottram.

Our family is highly complicated and it is very easy to confuse the various members from the different ancient scions. For the time period you are looking at, we have branches living at Glossop, Matley, Mottram, Roe Cross, Padfield and of course Hollingworth. Most of these families attended St Michael and All Angels Church at Mottram, just to add further to the confusion!

We are all descendants of Robert of Holynworth c.1180 the first known lord of Hollingworth manor, when it was subinfeuded by the Earl of Chester during the border skirmishes with the Peverils of Derbyshire. We have three branches of the family still living today, who can trace their particular branch back to Robert.

The branch you are looking at descends from a junior house of this family through what is called the 'Old Mottram line'. They typically spell the surname without the 'g' i.e.. Holynworth - Hollinworth. The parent branch comes from Hollingworth Hall, which is my line. Our spelling comes from Hollyngworthe - Hollingworth. These are very subtle differences practiced by the two families both living at Mottram in Longdendale. Outside of Cheshire, the spelling can be anything from Hollingworth, Hollingworth or Hollingsworth.

If I can be of any assistance please let me know.

[Hollingworth Hall]

I forget to mention that the Nearer Hall or Nether Hall is the Old Hall located off Rabbit Lane at Mottram!

[ElizabethHerts]

Thank you for your posts, HH, and the pm. Yes, I am still researching this family as they are my husband's ancestors. I am very excited that you have so much information.
I will also reply to your pm (private message) and give you my e-mail address.

Thank you so much for posting.

[thisisme]

Re a post in September 2017 from someone logged in as "Hollingworth Hall" who is a descendant of the Hollingworth clan:
I am interested in John H who m secondly Anne Hyde and whose will gave rise to Chancery cases.
Especially - but not only - his connections with the Dearnaley and Reddish families. And his first wife?
I would be very grateful for any contact or information.

I am new to this forum so not expert at sending posts and/or messages!

[thisisme]

oops that posting yesterday should say Hollingworth of Tintwistle m (2) Alice Hyde.
I must have been writing in my sleep!

[ElizabethHerts]

I have the will of Alice Hudson (Hyde). I'm very rusty on this family as I haven't looked at them recently.

[garstonite]

I am glad this thread is up - my nan Martha Walker b 1893 BROADBOTTOM ....whenever I try and research her Broadbottom is referred to Mottram - was Broadbottom entwined with Mottram in the 1800's - according to todays maps it is 1.5 miles away - by road - so across fields probably a mile - Broadbottom is in Mottram Parish - any info appreciated .Allan

[ElizabethHerts]

Allan, I'll look through my information.

For starters, I have this:

1888
Building of St Mary Magdalene Church, Broadbottom

[garstonite]

thanks Elizabeth - that is the church my nan was baptised in 22nd November 1893 - so it was basically a new church - BUT - then I found this just this morning

Surname Walker
Given Name Martha
Father's Name Robert Walker
Birth Date 23 Oct 1893
School Stockport, St Mary's National School
Residence Place 20 Eliza Street, Cheshire, England
Event Date 29 Jun 1897

why would a little girl not even 4 be registered at that school in Stockport ?

[garstonite]

my nans christening

Name Martha Walker
Event Type Christening
Event Date 22 Nov 1893
Event Place St Mary, Broadbottom, Cheshire, England
Gender Female
Father's Name Robert Walker
Mother's Name Zipporah

[Merry]

In 1872 Broadbottom was described as a suburb of Mottram in Mottram parish, Cheshire.

http://www.visionofbritain.org.uk/place/26279

[garstonite]

thanks Merry - I don't want to jump in on this thread - so I will do some research today and if I get no joy I will open a new thread tomorrow - thank you both again xx

[ElizabethHerts]

https://www.mottramparish.org.uk/heritage/saintmarys/

I have a PDF file on Mottram Parish Church. If it's of interest I can email it to you, Allan.

[Kane133]

Research for John Hollingworth of Tintwistle and Alice Hyde (his 3rd wife) can be found in these trees on Ancestry.
https://www.ancestry.com.au/family-tree/person/tree/171258855/person/152223489639/facts
https://www.ancestry.com.au/family-tree/person/tree/84817710/person/282247639488/facts

John Hollingworth and Marie Reddich (wife to William Derneley 1604-1651) were 1st cousins with Marie’s father Ralph and John’s mother Elizabeth being siblings. Samuel Reddich 1661-1719 mentioned in Alice Hyde/Hollingworth/Hudson’s Will was the grandson of Marie’s brother Robert and therefore Alice’s 1Cx2R ‘cusin’ by marriage.

In William Derneley’s 1651 Will John Hollingworth is mentioned " ... I doe hereby make and constitute my welbeloved freinds and kinsmen John Hollingworth of Tinsell and Anthony Reddith my executors of this my will and testament ..." http://familytree.dearnley.com/reports/g0/p303.htm#i3023

[ElizabethHerts]

Kane, welcome to GF and thanks for posting and for the private messages.

I have copied and pasted them into a Word document and will study them later today. It's been a while since I have looked at this family so I shall need to look at the tree and the information I hold to refresh my memory.