Martha Robinson nee Boxall

[Terri]

Martha BOXALL born 1839 Upwaltham, Sussex

Had a son: James William ROBINSON in 1863 Epsom reg. district.
Definitely hers, as he is with the grandparents in 1871 - Martha died in 1866
On his baptism record, father is William Robinson, engine driver. He died before 1864.

Other probable children:
Amy Robinson, born 1859 Epsom - no idea if she lived or died.
William Thomas Robinson, born 1861 Wandsworth
(There is a death for a William Thomas Robinson in Wandsworth in 1862. Age on GRO site is "6", but I suspect that is actually 6 months)

What I can't find is:
1. A marriage for Martha to William Robinson
2. Martha and William in 1861

(I have to admit that my brain is extremely sluggish at the moment!)

[Merry]

You could check the mmn for the birth registrations to confirm they are all Boxall from the new GRO indexes.

You could also check the death records on there for Amy as age at death is given.

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/#0

[Merry]

Sorry, just read the whole of your post and realise you must have done that already!

[Merry]

Maybe they were in one of the missing areas for 1861?

[Merry]

If you can't find a death for Amy have you tried under the other surname from Martha's 1864 marriage (sorry, forgotten the name now!).

Have you found a death for Wm Robinson?

[kiterunner]

This is Martha's 1864 marriage, Merry, 27 Jun 1864 at Ewell, to Walter George Dowsing:
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/4779/40815_1831101883_0807-00096/7557829?backurl=&ssrc=&backlabel=Return

She is Martha Ann on this marriage and she was Martha Ann on the son's baptism too.

[Terri]

If you can't find a death for Amy have you tried under the other surname from Martha's 1864 marriage (sorry, forgotten the name now!).

Have you found a death for Wm Robinson?

No I haven't.
Obviously William Robinson is a very common name and though he probably died in south London/Surrey, he might not have done.

Can't find an Amy Dowsing in 1861 or 1871
Edit that: There is an Amy Dorling, born 1859 Epsom at West Hill School, Lewisham in 1871. This could be her as there doesn't appear to be an Amy Dorling in 1861

[kiterunner]

I can't find a likely marriage for William and Martha.

[Terri]

This is Martha's 1864 marriage, Merry, 27 Jun 1864 at Ewell, to Walter George Dowsing:
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/4779/40815_1831101883_0807-00096/7557829?backurl=&ssrc=&backlabel=Return

She is Martha Ann on this marriage and she was Martha Ann on the son's baptism too.

She is. She must have adopted the "Ann" at some point, as she was baptised just Martha.

[Terri]

Martha is the only member of a large family that isn't "finished".
Annoying woman. :d

[kiterunner]

Here is a William Robinson, engine driver, in London / Surrey in 1861, but may not be the right one:
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/8767/SRYRG9_356_359-0317/6327255?backurl=&ssrc=&backlabel=Return
Kennington Lane, Kennington, Lambeth
William Robinson Boarder Un 25 Stationary Engine Driver Berks Remenham

[Terri]

Here is a William Robinson, engine driver, in London / Surrey in 1861, but may not be the right one:
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/8767/SRYRG9_356_359-0317/6327255?backurl=&ssrc=&backlabel=Return
Kennington Lane, Kennington, Lambeth
William Robinson Boarder Un 25 Stationary Engine Driver Berks Remenham

That is a very definite possible, thanks

[kiterunner]

I think this is the William from post #11 in 1871:
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/7619/LNDRG10_704_706-0281/5706496?backurl=&ssrc=&backlabel=Return
24 Park Side Street, Battersea
William Robinson Head Mar 33 Stoker Middlesex Henley on Thames
Sarah Robinson Wife Mar 32 Wilts Corsley
Hannah Robertson Daur 7 Scholar Surrey Lambeth
Sarah Robertson Daur 5 Do Do Do
Mary Robinson Daur 2 Do Battersea

and 1881:
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/7572/LNDRG11_648_649-0272/20960719?backurl=&ssrc=&backlabel=Return
4 Parkside St, Battersea
William Robinson Head Mar 43 General Laborer Oxfordshire Henley
Sarah Do Wife Mar 42 Mantle Maker Somersetshire
Hannah Do Daur Unm 17 Do Do Surrey Lambeth
Sarah Do Daur 15 General Servant Domestic Do Do
John T Do Son 9 Scholar Do Do
William H Do Son 4 mo Do Do

and in 1891:
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/6598/LNDRG12_429_431-0598/10376826?backurl=&ssrc=&backlabel=Return
52 Bullen Street, West Battersea
William Robinson Head M 51 Engine Driver (Stationary) Remamham Henley on Thames Oxford
Jane Robinson Wife M 39 London Paddington

But nothing to show whether or not he was the father of Martha's children.

[Terri]

Hang on, Martha married the Dowsing man in 1864 as a widow.
Forgot about that!

[kiterunner]

She did, but I'm wondering whether she said that to explain how come she had a child or children.

[Terri]

She did, but I'm wondering whether she said that to explain how come she had a child or children.

Very true! lol

[kiterunner]

It looks as though the Sarah in post #13 was MMN Hibberd or Hibbeard, and the "Robertson" for two of the daughters in 1871 looks to be a mistake as there are likely birth regs under Robinson with MMN Hibberd / Hibbeard.

I think this is their marriage 15 Jul 1861 at St Barnabas, South Kennington:
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/1623/31280_194562-00292/1795028?backurl=&ssrc=&backlabel=Return

So looks unlikely to be your William.

[Terri]

Oh well, it was worth a go, thanks for looking it up anyway

[Merry]

This could be her as there doesn't appear to be an Amy Dorling in 1861

I don't think so, as that Amy has a birth reg:

Births Mar 1859 DORLING Amy Epsom 2a 9

[Terri]

Thanks Merry, and the only Amy Dowsing marriage (despite her being the right age and (roughly) in the right place, is one with a father called Samuel.

Oh well ..................!! Thanks for your help anyway.