Eglington for Merry!

[ElizabethHerts]

Merry, look at the will of Elizabeth Eglington of Tysoe on Ancestry:

http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/5111/40611_310348-00102/721297?backurl=%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3dWarwickEarlyParish%26gss%3dsf s28_ms_db%26new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26msT%3d1%26gsln%3d Eg*ton%26gsln_x%3d0%26msbdy%3d1640%26msfng%3dJames %26msfns%3dEg*ton%26MSAV%3d1%26uidh%3dho3&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults#?imageId=40611_31034 8-00103

I haven't got much time now BUT it mentions James Eglington and his son Tymothy and various grandchildren of James, having names that appeared in his will.

I will return to this!

[Merry]

Thanks Elizabeth. I don't have time now, but will have a look later. That will was on my list!

[Merry]

I've found a few more entries for the people immediately connected with James (bur 1667) (no baptism though, or for Elizabeth whose will you posted in the opening post here), but other than the info from wills the other people coming down from him towards me don't seem to exist on any PR though there are other records (such as TNA index) which suggest they lived in the places I would expect. James' grandson on my line was buried a Quaker and his children were recorded in the Quaker birth records, so I do wonder if the family became Quakers earlier than that, but the records have not survived.

[Merry]

Ah, found his baptism now in 1605 at Tysoe. Father also James.

The baptism was originally transcribed as Francis and I overlooked the correction already made :o

[Merry]

Oops, forget that. James b 1605 died the same year :(

[Merry]

I've just transcribed the will you pointed out, Elizabeth. It's a good job there were two copies of it in the PCC records as I needed to compare them to get all the words transcribed! That's the first spoken will I have for anyone on my tree, the details taken two days before her burial. I enjoyed some of the clothing mentioned - green and red petticoats and Holland aprons etc

It's a pity Elizabeth didn't say what relationship all the other Eglington's were to her :rolleyes: It would be simple if she was the sister of James Eglington who was her executor and was also my 9xg grandfather, but if it were that simple wouldn't she have said so? *sigh*

Anyway, later I'll be trying to work out if this will helps with tying any of the other Eglingtons etc together

[ElizabethHerts]

I thought she was probably James' sister, although it would have been nice of her to have said so!!

I suppose she could have been a cousin, but far more likely his sister.

[Merry]

Which would explain why I can't find a baptism for either of them! (assuming I would find both or neither!)

James married in 1626 so I'm expecting his birth and that of Elizabeth's to be roughly around the turn on the century.

[kiterunner]

Merry, have you already seen this?
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/28550/dvm_LocHist012304-00344-1/671?backurl=%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3f_phsrc%3dWHR3439%26_phstart%3dsucc essSource%26usePUBJs%3dtrue%26db%3dgenealogy-glh42943224%26so%3d2%26pcat%3d34%26gss%3dangs-c%26new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26MS_AdvCB%3d1%26gsfn%3dja* s*%26gsfn_x%3d1%26gsln%3d%253f*g*l*n*t*n%26gsln_x% 3d1%26cpxt%3d1%26cp%3d11%26catbucket%3drstp%26MSAV %3d2%26uidh%3dvm5&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults&rc=335,4019,658,4074;673,4018,855,4074

[kiterunner]

And this:
http://www.hunimex.com/warwick/mi/mi_tysoe.html

[kiterunner]

And the beginning of this:
http://patp.us/genealogy/parish/warw.aspx
I know it doesn't help with baptisms for James and Elizabeth.

[Merry]

lol

No I hadn't - I can excuse myself as I hadn't googled Eglington with Tysoe yet, but I don't know how I managed not to see the wills list on Ancestry :o

Thanks.

[Merry]

Just adding some bits I found whilst googling as I don't have a pen and paper without getting up!

Warwick County Records, Volume 7
L.E. Stephens, 1946 - Warwickshire (England)

Elizabeth Eglington of Tysoe, widow, presented for keeping of a disorderly alehouse and entertaining company in time of sermon upon 8th May 1681, being Sunday: also for disorders on 29th May 1681, being Sunday.

Henry Eglington and Robert Wilkins, both of the same, presented severally for tippling on the Lord's day in sermon time upon 8th May 1681.

Quarter sessions indictment book: Easter, 1631 to Epiphany, 1674
Great Britain. Court of Quarter Sessions of the Peace (Warwickshire), Warwickshire (England). County Council. Records Committee, Warwickshire, England County Council. Records Committee
L.E. Stephens, 1941 - History - 337 pages


Elizabeth Eglington alias Smyth of Tysoe, for selling ale without licence. (Fine made 1656)

This next part is in several books, but I can't manage to view the actual snippet in full:

Mothers of bastards in Tysoe did escape heavy burdens, but they did not actually profit by their actions, whatever may have happened elsewhere.1 A series of bastardy ... These ar,e the entries : j. d. Paid for the examination of Judith Capp for a warrant for Henry Eglington .... ... chargeable to the Poor Rate. receipts, but a widow and a single woman were sent go POOR LAW IN A WARWICK VILLAGE

[ElizabethHerts]

Very tantalising snippets, Merry! It's amazing what you can find, but I bet you wish there was more concrete information on family relationships!

[Merry]

lol Elizabeth!

Judith Capps had an illegitimate dau, Ann, bap at Tysoe in 1626. A Henry Eglington was buried there is 1655.

[Merry]

The will of my 9xg-grandfather, James Eglington, in most cases refers to his children as 'natural' children, which I thought meant illegitimate. However, I now have a marriage for James and then the four children's baptisms with his surname. So, does 'natural' mean something else in this context at this date?

[ElizabethHerts]

I don't think natural necessarily means illegitimate, Merry. There seems to be some confusion about this. In some instances it seems to signify an illegitimate child acknowledged by his father. But it seems it can also mean it was his son, as opposed to a son acquired through adoption or a son born to his wife with a different fahter.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/natural_son

[ElizabethHerts]

It seems that many people meant an illegitimate child when using the term "natural", but the law also says:

http://thelawdictionary.org/natural-son/

What is NATURAL SON?

the name that is given to male child to natural and not adoptive parents.

Law Dictionary: What is NATURAL SON? definition of NATURAL SON (Black's Law Dictionary)


I suppose it just boils down to what the person writing the will meant by "natural"!!

[Merry]

Ok, thanks. For the time being I am going to stick with James having had four known children mentioned in his will and bap after his marriage.

(*tries to ignore that ref to an Elizabeth Eglington being aka Smyth earlier in this thread!*)

[Merry]

I'm just doing a mini timeline for the first part of this tree ..................

James Eglington married Ann Lawrence at Tysoe, Warks Jan 1626

Children:
Elizabeth bap 1627
James bap 1629
Timothy bap 1632
Ann bap 1637

all bap at Tysoe.

Dec 1655 Elizabeth Eglington married Wm Tayler (of Kineton, Warks) at Banbury Oxon << they are my 8xg-grandparents

Sept 1657 Timothy Eglington (of Tysoe) married Ann Austin at Stratford-on-Avon, Warks

Marriages for James Eglington jr and Ann Eglington not found, but James seems to have been married by 1659 and Ann probably after 1659.

June 1659 spinster Elizabeth Eglington (relationship unknown) dictates her will. She says James has five grandchildren (unnamed).

She describes Elizabeth as Elizabeth Tayler
She mentions Ann the wife of Timothy Eglington
She mentions Mary the wife of James Eglington (I imagine this is James jr though I don't know what happened to james senr's wife Ann)
She doesn't give a surname for James senr's dau Ann, but she is included in a legacy for her father, so I'm thinking Ann was probably unmarried at this date (aged about 21). Unless of course the legacy should say "to James and his wife Ann five pounds" rather than "to James and his daughter Ann five pounds"??

Dec 1667 James sr write his will. He mentions 14 grandchildren:

children of William and (his dau) Elizabeth Taylor:

Timothy
Elizabeth
Martha
William
Robert <<< my 7xg-grandfather (he became/was a Quaker)

I can't find anything on any of them.

children of his son James Eglington jr (and possibly his wife Mary?)

James (possibly bap 1653 at Tysoe)
Ann
John (possibly bap 1660 at Tysoe, mother is recorded on this one. She is Maria, so that's a positive!)

children of his son Timothy Eglington (and wife Ann)

Ann
Elizabeth
Edward
Timothy

I've found nothing about those four

children of William and (his dau) Ann Allen

Elizabeth
Ann

Possibly born between 1659 and 1667?

.

[Merry]

James sr was bur in Tysoe in 1667, but his will says he was of Shutford in Oxon.

Despite no PR entires in Shutford or in Swalcliff (nextdoor) there is a will for a Timothy Eglington proved in 1710 and he is of Shutford too. He asks for his body to be buried at Swalcliff (in vain? lol). This could very easily be James's son, the one bap 1632.

Timothy had a lot of children according to his will (some names listed already in the prev post)

The names from his will are:

James EGLINGTON Son
Timothy EGLINGTON Son
Mary EGLINGTON Daughter (Exec)
Anne BLINCHO? Daughter
Elizabeth SMITH Daughter
Martha BRADFORD Daughter
Hannah GILKES Daughter

I did start looking for the marriages of the daughters but got fed up with it! I don't think I found any.

[ElizabethHerts]

James sr was bur in Tysoe in 1667, but his will says he was of Shutford in Oxon.

Despite no PR entires in Shutford or in Swalcliff (nextdoor) there is a will for a Timothy Eglington proved in 1710 and he is of Shutford too. He asks for his body to be buried at Swalcliff (in vain? lol). This could very easily be James's son, the one bap 1632.

Timothy had a lot of children according to his will (some names listed already in the prev post)

The names from his will are:

James EGLINGTON Son
Timothy EGLINGTON Son
Mary EGLINGTON Daughter (Exec)
Anne BLINCHO? Daughter
Elizabeth SMITH Daughter
Martha BRADFORD Daughter
Hannah GILKES Daughter

I did start looking for the marriages of the daughters but got fed up with it! I don't think I found any.

I had already noted that Timothy had a daughter called Hannah Gilkes. I have a Quaker 6x-great-grandmother whose maiden name was Hannah Gilkes, and she was from Sibford Gower. The family is notoriously difficult to sort out as there are about 10 men called Thomas Gilkes!

[Merry]

I'm surprised I don't have any Gilkes on my tree, but maybe that#'s because I couldn't sort them out!

I did find this: Martha Eglinghard Marriage 9 May 1704 Broughton Wm Bradford

Her name on the page is Eglington and she is of Shutford.

and then these children:

Judith Bradford
Baptism
14 Sep 1705
Shotteswell Warks
William,
Martha

View Record
William Bradford
Baptism
13 Mar 1707
Shotteswell Warks
William,
Martha

[Merry]

I tried Eglington to Gilkes marriages and turned up this one..... cousins down the line?? :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/2445/4292068_00117/3339759?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk %2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3f_phsrc%3dpIU446%26_phstart%3dsucce ssSource%26usePUBJs%3dtrue%26db%3dwarwickcoemarria ges%26so%3d2%26pcat%3dROOT_CATEGORY%26gss%3dangs-g%26new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26msT%3d1%26MS_AdvCB%3d1%26 gsln%3degl*%26gsln_x%3d1%26mssns%3dgilk*%26mssns_x %3d1%26cpxt%3d1%26cp%3d11%26catbucket%3drstp%26MSA V%3d2%26uidh%3d672&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults

[ElizabethHerts]

I tried Eglington to Gilkes marriages and turned up this one..... cousins down the line?? :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/2445/4292068_00117/3339759?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk %2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3f_phsrc%3dpIU446%26_phstart%3dsucce ssSource%26usePUBJs%3dtrue%26db%3dwarwickcoemarria ges%26so%3d2%26pcat%3dROOT_CATEGORY%26gss%3dangs-g%26new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26msT%3d1%26MS_AdvCB%3d1%26 gsln%3degl*%26gsln_x%3d1%26mssns%3dgilk*%26mssns_x %3d1%26cpxt%3d1%26cp%3d11%26catbucket%3drstp%26MSA V%3d2%26uidh%3d672&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults

:D
Probably rather late as my Hannah Gilkes was born 1664/65 at Sibford Gower.
Her father was one of the many Thomases.

[ElizabethHerts]

Merry, it might be worth contacting the chap who transcribed the Eglington wills for Oxfordshire FHS.

http://wills.oxfordshirefhs.org.uk/az/wtext/eglington_002.html

[Merry]

Hmmm...yes I had already wondered about doing that. Don't know if I have the energy having spent any free time I have had today going round in circles!

[Merry]

I will be sending for the will Kate found :D

[Janet]

This next part is in several books, but I can't manage to view the actual snippet in full:

One hundred years of poor law administration in a Warwickshire village
(https://www.archive.org/stream/onehundredyearso03ashb?ref=ol#page/90/mode/2up/search/Mothers+of+bastards+in+Tysoe)

Don't know if that link will work for you. It's on Page 90 of 206.

Eglington appears on:
Page 90 of 206
Page 132 of 206
Page 166 of 206

Struggling with the after-effects of cataract surgery this a.m. and the world is still a bit blurry so I can't really tell if it's useful or not!

EDIT:
...if the book is useful or not. I'm pretty sure the cataract surgery is going to prove useful. :d

[ElizabethHerts]

Janet, speedy recovery. I hope your sight is restored to levels of clarity you haven't experienced for years!

[Merry]

Thanks you Janet, that's really helpful. I have picked up all the entries now :D

I hope you have a speedy recovery from your surgery!

[ElizabethHerts]

Merry, I was fascinated by the entry where Henry was bleeding people and described as the local leech!!

[Merry]

Yes, surely he can't be my relation? :eek::eek::eek:

I was also interested in the wording about James E's mother.... was he "of Stratford" or was that his mother? I wondered if James was my James from Tysoe/Shutford, though his mother would have had to be pretty old!

Stratford on Avon already holds a load of brick walls on another of my lines. I don't need another lot of people hiding there :(

[Janet]

Thank you, Elizabeth. Thank you, Merry. Indeed, it already looks as if someone has cleaned all the windows. I look forward to getting a better focus on the local leech. :D