Eliza Venables nee Fielding

[BlueSavannah]

Hi Everyone,

I am hoping for another pair of eyes to find a death for Eliza.

She was born in Sheffield as Eliza Fielding on the 13th January 1886. Married Walter King Venables on the 3rd January 1903 at St Anne's, St Annes on Sea, Lancs.

Eliza & Walter are together on the 1911 census at 26 Albert Road, St Annes on the Sea. Two living children with them. I'v found Walter's death in St Anne's in 1937 but not what became of Eliza after 1911. (Note that she's listed as June Eliza Venables on this census but she's never been known as June on any other document).

Would anyone be able to help take a look? Many thanks in advance :)

[kiterunner]

Her name on the 1911 census looks like Irene Eliza, not June Eliza. June was not a common name at that time.

Edit - also, three children are listed with them in 1911 but presumably one of them had already died and the enumerator didn't sort it out.

[kiterunner]

There is an Eliza Venables, born 20 Jan 1887, widow, office cleaner living at 34 Gaisford St, Pancras, London, on the 1939 Register.
http://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=tna%2fr39%2f0496%2f0496f%2f005&parentid=tna%2fr39%2f0496%2f0496f%2f005%2f39

I know the date of birth doesn't quite match, but a possible?

[BlueSavannah]

I think you are right Kate, now i've re-looked, I agree its more likely to say Irene than June. But still, she's never been known previously to this census as Irene either. It's very odd that her husband filled this form in and gave his wife's name incorrectly. I wonder if it was a pet name or something.

Yes, they had three children but Harold, despite being named on the census form, had died in 1909.

[BlueSavannah]

There is an Eliza Venables, born 20 Jan 1887, widow, office cleaner living at 34 Gaisford St, Pancras, London, on the 1939 Register.
http://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=tna%2fr39%2f0496%2f0496f%2f005&parentid=tna%2fr39%2f0496%2f0496f%2f005%2f39

I know the date of birth doesn't quite match, but a possible?

She's certainly a possible. I wonder if we are able to locate this woman at all previously to this register to see if she appears anywhere else so we can rule her out?

[BlueSavannah]

I've always pondered if Eliza & Walter had parted soon after the 1911 census. I've always been curious that she was actually only 25 years old at this census (not the 31 she's written as) yet she and Walter don't appear to have had any more children. Maybe I have to purchase Walter King Venables' 1937 death certificate to see who registered his death.

[kiterunner]

I've had a look on the London electoral registers but the first time she appears at that address, or in the Camden area, is 1939. There is an Eliza Venables in Islington in 1935 but no way to tell whether she is the same Eliza as the 1939 Pancras one.

[BlueSavannah]

I can see a trade union membership for Walter King Venables from 1919 and its showing his son Clifford Venables to receive any funeral benefits. Would that normally be his wife or is it common to name one of the children? It does state he's married.

[kiterunner]

I don't know, sorry.

[Merry]

1930 e-rolls for 22 Cudworth Road, St Anne's on the Sea has these Venables:

Walter King
Albert
Clifford
Kitty

The above is the latest date I could see. The earliest one is 1921 for 45 Church Road, St Anne's on the Sea which has:

John
Mary
Walter King

[BlueSavannah]

The e-rolls you've found Merry are very interesting as neither show Eliza present.

Kitty was the wife of Clifford so the 1930 family are Walter, his sons and a daughter in law.

I've seen the address 45 Church Road before and checking my tree, it was the abode of Walter's father Peter who died in 1905. They were at 46 Church Street in 1901 but had moved to 45 by the time Peter died 4 years later. Walter's elder brother James Venables was living at 45 on the 1911 census with his wife and children. James died in 1914 but his wife was called Mary and they did have a son called John. I am guessing its likely that Walter is residing with his sister-in-law and nephew who had just left the army on the 1921 e-roll.

[Merry]

I'm afraid I didn't look at them in an orderly fashion, but some also had an Ernest too.

I have yet to work out if these e-rolls can be searched by criteria other than an unusual name or known address. There are lots of matches for Eliza Venables!

[BlueSavannah]

Are the e-rolls on FMP or Ancestry? I've never come across them before. Ernest is the name of another child of James & Mary Venables.

This does seem to be pointing towards Eliza not living with her husband Walter from sometime between then 1911 census and 1921. I am beginning to wonder if she followed in her mother's footsteps in leaving a husband and shacking up with someone else and pretending to be his wife instead :rolleyes:

Eliza's stepfather is Walter King who's sister Annis King is Walter King Venable's mother :o

[Merry]

Eliza's stepfather is Walter King who's sister Annis King is Walter King Venable's mother


*gets instant headache!*

The e-rolls are on FMP. If you just enter WKV's name on the Search page and then select Census, Land and Surveys and then Electoral Rolls from the results there are just a handful of matches mostly between 1921 and 1930.

[BlueSavannah]

*gets instant headache!*

That's how I feel too whenever I look at this branch :d:d

I will look at WKV via FMP now. He is in my tree anyway because of his mother Annis, and not just because he married my great grandfather's half sister lol.