Mary Ann Sharratt birth registration - struggling

[Margaret in Burton]

Mary Ann Dainty nee Sharratt 1939 register date of birth 21 Jan 1884.
1891 census she is with grandparents John and Hannah Sharratt

RG12, 2207, 06, 05

transcription says shes one but I believe it's seven.

born London. Can't find a birth registration.

I have FMP but no access to Ancestry. A baptism would be nice,I think she may have been illegitimate

[Merry]

You say born London, but in 1911 when she is married to Wm Dainty, she says she was born Hoar Cross Staffs. :confused:

[Margaret in Burton]

You say born London, but in 1911 when she is married to Wm Dainty, she says she was born Hoar Cross Staffs. :confused:

yes I know but that could be the case of saying she was born in the place she thinks she was born in. Why would her grandparents say she was born in London if she wasn't?

I can't find a Mary Ann Sharratt born in Hoar Cross either. A baptism would be Newborough but nothing

[Merry]

Would that be Lichfield district (Yoxall)?

Births Mar 1883 SHARRATT Mary Ann Lichfield 6b 480

There isn't one in Q1 the next year.

[Merry]

Sorry, we cross posted. I'm confused now!

[Margaret in Burton]

Would that be Lichfield district (Yoxall)?

Births Mar 1883 SHARRATT Mary Ann Lichfield 6b 480

There isn't one in Q1 the next year.

I looked at that one but it's a year out and she was born in Yoxall and I think I found her on the either 1891 or 1901 with parents not connected. Sharratt and Sherratt are often mixed up

[Margaret in Burton]

Sorry, we cross posted. I'm confused now!

You're confused? I've been looking at this for a week and it's doing my head in.

[Merry]

The one I found seems to be the dau of Henry and Sarah Ann, bap 11 Mar 1883 at Yoxall (fmp).

Presumably that eliminates her if the one we are after was illegitimate. Who do you think her mother is?

[Merry]

Isn't Hoar Cross in Yoxall?

[Margaret in Burton]

Isn't Hoar Cross in Yoxall?

No, it's a few miles away, very local to me. Hoar Cross is more likely to be Newborough

[Merry]

Do you have the London girl in 1901?

[kiterunner]

Do you know what it says for Mary Ann's father on her marriage cert, Marg?

[Margaret in Burton]

The one I found seems to be the dau of Henry and Sarah Ann, bap 11 Mar 1883 at Yoxall (fmp).

Presumably that eliminates her if the one we are after was illegitimate. Who do you think her mother is?


I'm not certain who her mother is, on the 1891 census she is with her grandparents there is also a James aged 1. his mother was Elizabeth Sharratt b 1873 Hoar Cross. The baptism is on FMP

[Merry]

So you are sure Mr Dainty didn't marry the girl from Yoxall rather than your girl?

[kiterunner]

This one says she was born at Hoar Cross on the 1901 census, not sure if it has already been posted:
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/7814/STSRG13_2641_2643-0763/34617435?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.u k%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3f_phsrc%3dvfl183%26_phstart%3dsucce ssSource%26usePUBJs%3dtrue%26db%3duki1901%26gss%3d angs-d%26new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26msT%3d1%26gsfn%3dmar*%26g sfn_x%3d1%26gsln%3dsh*r*%3ft*%26gsln_x%3d1%26msbdy _x%3d1%26msbdp%3d1%26MSAV%3d2%26MS_AdvCB%3d1%26msb dy%3d1884%26cpxt%3d1%26cp%3d11%26catbucket%3drstp% 26uidh%3dvm5%26gl%3d%26gst%3d%26hc%3d10%26fh%3d20% 26fsk%3dBEDmZmYIgAAehgFySc8-61-&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults

oops, sorry, Marg, forgot you haven't got ancestry, she is in Burton, Mary Ann Sherratt, servant, S, 17, General Servant (domestic), born Staffs Hoar Cross, and she is with a family called Cartledge.

[Merry]

Could she be with her mother in 1901 but under a different surname?

[Margaret in Burton]

Do you have the London girl in 1901?

No, I can't find her

Do you know what it says for Mary Ann's father on her marriage cert, Marg?

No, I don't have the cert

So you are sure Mr Dainty didn't marry the girl from Yoxall rather than your girl?

This is difficult to explain, Mary Ann Dainty had an illegitimate child Ethel born 1906. She married as a Dainty although she was born a Sharratt. My mother in law told me that Ethel was a very close relation. The one in Yoxall I can't connect at all

[Margaret in Burton]

This one says she was born at Hoar Cross on the 1901 census, not sure if it has already been posted:
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/7814/STSRG13_2641_2643-0763/34617435?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.u k%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3f_phsrc%3dvfl183%26_phstart%3dsucce ssSource%26usePUBJs%3dtrue%26db%3duki1901%26gss%3d angs-d%26new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26msT%3d1%26gsfn%3dmar*%26g sfn_x%3d1%26gsln%3dsh*r*%3ft*%26gsln_x%3d1%26msbdy _x%3d1%26msbdp%3d1%26MSAV%3d2%26MS_AdvCB%3d1%26msb dy%3d1884%26cpxt%3d1%26cp%3d11%26catbucket%3drstp% 26uidh%3dvm5%26gl%3d%26gst%3d%26hc%3d10%26fh%3d20% 26fsk%3dBEDmZmYIgAAehgFySc8-61-&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults

oops, sorry, Marg, forgot you haven't got ancestry, she is in Burton, Mary Ann Sherratt, servant, S, 17, General Servant (domestic), born Staffs Hoar Cross, and she is with a family called Cartledge.

Yes, I've seen that on FMP, I do think that may be her but it's the birth reg I can't find. I'm quite prepared to buy the cert if I could find it

[Margaret in Burton]

Could she be with her mother in 1901 but under a different surname?

Not a clue

[Margaret in Burton]

The only possibilities for the mother if she were illegitimate are

Ann Sharratt b 1867 Newborough

Elizabeth b 1873 Hoar Cross (Elizabeth had an illegitimate child in 1890)

I don't have marriages for either. Elizabeth died a spinster in 1935

[kiterunner]

The marriage to William Herbert Dainty was at Tatenhill church, so I guess the marriage PR entry would be available at whichever archives Tatenhill comes under, if that's any help?

[Merry]

Have you found another way forward for the Mary Ann from Hoar Cross if she isn't the one who married Mr Dainty? (sorry, I'm having trouble believing Mrs Dainty isn't her at the moment!! :o)

[Merry]

The marriage to William Herbert Dainty was at Tatenhill church, so I guess the marriage PR entry would be available at whichever archives Tatenhill comes under, if that's any help?

Shouldn't the image be on FMP? (I don't think it is)

https://familysearch.org/wiki/en/Tatenhill,_Staffordshire_Genealogy

[kiterunner]

I don't think the FMP Staffordshire PR's go far enough forward as the browse says up to 1900 and the marriage was 1908. Got to go and eat now.

[Margaret in Burton]

The marriage to William Herbert Dainty was at Tatenhill church, so I guess the marriage PR entry would be available at whichever archives Tatenhill comes under, if that's any help?

mmm I should be able to look at that in the library. Hadn't occurred to me thank you. If they aren't there it's Stafford and I don't have a cat in hells chance of getting there

[Margaret in Burton]

[QUOTE=Merry;328272]Have you found another way forward for the Mary Ann from Hoar Cross if she isn't the one who married Mr Dainty? (sorry, I'm having trouble believing Mrs Dainty isn't her at the moment!! :o)[/QUOT

Will look at that tomorrow. Thanks for the advice

[Merry]

I don't think the FMP Staffordshire PR's go far enough forward as the browse says up to 1900 and the marriage was 1908.

OK thanks.

[Margaret in Burton]

I have a list of the parish registers kept on microfiche at Burton library, just checked it. Marriages for Tatenhill go up to 1958

Thursday I'm in town, I'll go then.
I got married at Tatenhill too

[Merry]

mmm I should be able to look at that in the library. Hadn't occurred to me thank you. If they aren't there it's Stafford and I don't have a cat in hells chance of getting there

Looks like they are at Burton Archives

https://www.staffordshire.gov.uk/leisure/archives/contact/burtoncentre/sources/SourcesatBurtonArchives.aspx

is that any good?

[Margaret in Burton]

Looks like they are at Burton Archives

https://www.staffordshire.gov.uk/leisure/archives/contact/burtoncentre/sources/SourcesatBurtonArchives.aspx

is that any good?

Yes, I found my list of what they hold Merry. I'll go on Thursday

[Merry]

So Hannah Brewer nee Sharratt b abt 1874 is the aunt of Ethel Sharratt b 1906? So, I presume she is a child of John and Hannah Sharratt, the grandparents of the mysterious Mary Ann b London? I can't find them on the 1881 census to confirm that :o Hannah says she was born in Hoar Cross too.

[Merry]

I clearly didn't look very hard. They are listed as Sherratt in 1881 as I'm sure you already knew!! So, in theory Ethel's mother should be her sister, but I can see why that Mary Ann would make complete sense now!

[Margaret in Burton]

So Hannah Brewer nee Sharratt b abt 1874 is the aunt of Ethel Sharratt b 1906? So, I presume she is a child of John and Hannah Sharratt, the grandparents of the mysterious Mary Ann b London? I can't find them on the 1881 census to confirm that :o Hannah says she was born in Hoar Cross too.

I clearly didn't look very hard. They are listed as Sherratt in 1881 as I'm sure you already knew!! So, in theory Ethel's mother should be her sister, but I can see why that Mary Ann would make complete sense now!

Hannah Brewer nee Sharratt is OH's great grandmother So yes to your question.

I'll check out Mary Ann's marriage as well as Ethel's at the library.

It's just the London thing that is completely flummoxing me. Why would her grandparents say she was born in London if she wasn't.

[Merry]

I don't know if this helps (!)

When Mary Ann Dainty died we get these records:

DAINTY Mary Ann of 1 Chapel Lane Rangemore Burton-on-Trent (wife of William Herbert Dainty) died 18 February 1964 at The General Hospital Burton-on-Trent Administration London 12 May to the said William Herbert Dainty retired gardener. £381.

But this is the death reg:

Deaths Mar 1964
DAINTY MARY A 88 BURTON 9B 96

So, the age at death suggests she was a fair bit older than her husband whose birth reg fits with his being born on the date he gives in 1939 (Dec 1884). Obviously Mary's age given at death may well be wrong (and in 1911), but just thought I'd point it out :D

EDIT: William Herbert Dainty's death reg in 1971 has his dob as 3 Oct 1884, so either the 1939 register or the date at death must be wrong (or both lol)

EDIT again: WHB's bap was 26 Oct 1884. so he can't have been born in Dec. If I had more time I would double check the 1939 register as I'm only remembering the date from yesterday, but I don't have time now. :o

[Margaret in Burton]

1939 register gives William born 3 Oct 1884 and Mary Ann as 25 Jan 1884. her age at death is 80 on FMP. I have checked the image too.

Thanks for the probate info.

[Merry]

Oh that's better. I should have gone and got my specs before looking at the GRO page :o

So, are we no further forward?? :confused::rolleyes:

[Margaret in Burton]

Oh that's better. I should have gone and got my specs before looking at the GRO page :o

So, are we no further forward?? :confused::rolleyes:

I'm going to the library tomorrow so we will see then

Edit, going Thursday not tomorrow, fiche reader booked for 12 noon.

[Merry]

*crosses fingers* :)

[JayG]

Using the new GRO birth index throws up these

Mary Ann Sharratt (plus similar sounding variations) born 1884 +/- 1 year

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:

SHARRATT, MARY ANN MMN JONES
GRO Reference: 1883 M Quarter in LICHFIELD Volume 06B Page 48

SHARRATT, MARY ANN MMN COWLEY
GRO Reference: 1884 S Quarter in FOLESHILL & SOWE Volume 06D Page 468

SHARRATT, MARY ANN MMN SHENTON
GRO Reference: 1885 S Quarter in UTTOXETER Volume 06B Page 331

SHERRATT, MARY ANN MMN BUCKLEY
GRO Reference: 1883 J Quarter in BURTON UPON TRENT Volume 06B Page 411

SHERRATT, MARY ANN MMN -
GRO Reference: 1884 J Quarter in STOKE UPON TRENT Volume 06B Page 293

[Margaret in Burton]

I've only just realised that only one of Hannah Brewer nee Sharratt's sisters was old enough to have a child in 1884.

Ann Sharratt born 1867 in Newborough / Hoar Cross, Staffordshire. Parents John and Hannah.
1871 she is with her parents, 1881 she is employed in Barton under Needwood. RG11; 2761; 9; 12

I lose her after that, I can't find a marriage or on another census. I don't think she died as her mother on the 1911 census said she'd had 13 children, 2 of which had died. I can account for them.

Anyone find Ann after 1881?

[Margaret in Burton]

Using the new GRO birth index throws up these

Mary Ann Sharratt (plus similar sounding variations) born 1884 +/- 1 year

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:

SHARRATT, MARY ANN MMN JONES
GRO Reference: 1883 M Quarter in LICHFIELD Volume 06B Page 48

SHARRATT, MARY ANN MMN COWLEY
GRO Reference: 1884 S Quarter in FOLESHILL & SOWE Volume 06D Page 468

SHARRATT, MARY ANN MMN SHENTON
GRO Reference: 1885 S Quarter in UTTOXETER Volume 06B Page 331

SHERRATT, MARY ANN MMN BUCKLEY
GRO Reference: 1883 J Quarter in BURTON UPON TRENT Volume 06B Page 411

SHERRATT, MARY ANN MMN -
GRO Reference: 1884 J Quarter in STOKE UPON TRENT Volume 06B Page 293

Thanks Julie, I had seen those but eliminated them. None of the male members of the family married anyone with those maiden names. I have my doubts on the Stoke on Trent one, illegitimate yes, But there are a lot of Sharratt's and Sherratt's in the Stoke area.

[Merry]

I spent some time looking for Ann this morning, but my knowledge of the local geography isn't good enough (well, it's pretty non-existent!) to cope with all the variable birth places given, so I gave up in the end.

[Margaret in Burton]

I spent some time looking for Ann this morning, but my knowledge of the local geography isn't good enough (well, it's pretty non-existent!) to cope with all the variable birth places given, so I gave up in the end.

My knowledge of the area is good, obviously as its local to me, but I couldn't find her either. I'll have another look tomorrow. Laptop is off now. I'm on my phone.

[Margaret in Burton]

Right, results from the PR's at the library.

Marriage of William Herbert Dainty and Mary Ann Sharratt at St Michael and All Angels, Tatenhill, Staffordshire

20 Oct 1908. They are both aged 24 and resident in Tatenhill. His father is deceased (no name given) Her father is listed as John Sharratt a labourer. That is actually her grandfather. John did have a son called John but he wasn't born until 1871 so not old enough to be her father.
Witnesses were Thomas Sharratt and Elizabeth Sharratt. Thomas is her uncle. He had a wife Elizabeth and a sister Elizabeth so it could be either.

Marriage of Ethel Mary Dainty and John Leslie Gretton (they are both deceased - they did come to my wedding now I think about it)

27 Mar 1937 at Christ Church Burton

John aged 25 a labourer of 30 Ordish St, Burton
Ethel aged 31 of 32 Ordish St Burton (that is the house of Hannah her aunt, OH's great grandmother, so she still wasn't living with her parents.

Her father is listed as William Herbert Dainty. Witnesses William Herbert Dainty and Edna Gretton.

After searching a few local churches I did find Ethel's baptism.

She was registered in the GRO indexes as Ethel Mary Sharratt, not Dainty I checked.
Baptised All Saints, Burton as Dainty

24 January 1906 Ethel Mary Dainty daughter of William and Mary Dainty.

I did find William Herbert's army record yesterday and he had listed Ethel as a dependant on there

Mary Ann , his wife married 20 Oct 1908

children
Ethel born 19 Dec 1905
Dorothy born 14 July 1909
William born 10 Aug 1913
Alfred born 30 Nov 1915

Doesn't help with finding Mary Ann's birth reg or baptism. She may have been baptised at Newbrough but the library don't have those. I did check Tatenhill for her but no luck.

[Merry]

Well, it's good to have all that info and at least you now know she isn't that other imposter (though after you explained the story I realised she couldn't be the other Mary Ann from Hoar Cross)

I suppose it's possible, if she was born in London, that she is registered under her father's surname (parents prob pretending to be married), but as we can't search the new GRO index without the primary name we are stuck again.

[Margaret in Burton]

Well, it's good to have all that info and at least you now know she isn't that other imposter (though after you explained the story I realised she couldn't be the other Mary Ann from Hoar Cross)

I suppose it's possible, if she was born in London, that she is registered under her father's surname (parents prob pretending to be married), but as we can't search the new GRO index without the primary name we are stuck again.

I think her mother whoever she was, Ann b 1867 is to me the only possibility, had her in London, didn't register her and then sent her to be brought up by her mother and father. I can't find Ann anywhere after the 1881 census. I suppose she must have married but there are too many possibles.

[Margaret in Burton]

Didn't take long to search the microfiche, I was in the library less than an hour and that includes them getting the fiche for me. They deal with it so infrequently that the lady who was dealing with me had forgotten the procedure and had to ask.

[Merry]

Didn't take long to search the microfiche, I was in the library less than an hour and that includes them getting the fiche for me. They deal with it so infrequently that the lady who was dealing with me had forgotten the procedure and had to ask.

Just shows how many of us study our family history almost entirely without leaving the house (me included).