Any info on James Brunner

[CuriousKat]

Hello all,
I am looking for any further info on James Brunner, maybe passenger lists or parents?
He was born appx 1821 Austria? died 1900
he was a Wesleyan minister in Nottinghamshire.
He married Ann Tatham daughter of The Rev Daniel Strickland Tatham at Derbyshire in 1851
They had i believe 2 children
Adolphe Brunner b 1852 Paris d 1882 IOW
James Brunner b 1865 Nottingham d 1913 Nottingham

There is mention of him being a missionary to the Jews in Paris so i assume he traveled & that is why i can only see him on the 1881/91 census's. His grandson Christopher Tatham Brunner was noteworthy as was his wife Augusta J Bonnard whom studied under Sigmund Freud.
Thanks
Jackie

[kiterunner]

If you order a copy of his marriage certificate, it should give you his father's name and occupation.

[kiterunner]

His birthplace on the 1881 census looks like Brody, Austria, which is apparently now in Ukraine and had a significant Jewish community. There is some information on here:

http://www.geshergalicia.org/towns/brody/#records

[kiterunner]

Also, if you haven't already seen his naturalisation papers, they are available to download from The National Archives website for £3.45:

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C7311521

Reference: HO 1/75/2304
Description: Naturalisation Papers: Brunner, James, from Austria. Certificate 2304 issued 30 August 1856.

[kiterunner]

Here is a document relating to his naturalisation on ancestry, in the UK Aliens Entry Books 1794-1921, which have not been indexed by name yet (I found it by browsing through till I found 30 Aug 1856 and then browsing back from there, so there may be more to find in there):
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/1609/31162_A004039-00000?backurl=%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk%2fsearch %2fdb.aspx%3fdbid%3d1609%26path%3d&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnBrowsing#?imageId=31162_A004039-00084

Mr Wm Hunt, Nottingham
W. H. 19 Aug 1856
Sir... And to inform you that, in conformity with the rule laid down by the Secr of State, the declarations of four Householders are required in support of an appn for a Certificate of Naturalization - the Name of Mr James Brunner & the accompanying declarations are returned to you herewith.

[kiterunner]

He is listed in the Index to Register of Passport Applications (on FMP), passport date 21 Aug 1860, passport number 49492.

[kiterunner]

I wonder whether this could be a relative of his?

http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/8860/MDXHO107_1538_1538-0121/253135?backurl=%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fgst%3d-6&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults

1851 census 3 Great Cambridge St, Shoreditch, Middlesex:
William Brunner U 30 Missionary Agent Austria.

[kiterunner]

Alien Arrival 10 Jun 1853 on the "City of Boulogne" from Boulogne:
J. Brunner, Missionary, born Austria Brody.

http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/1587/31161_A003069-00795/427573?backurl=%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3f_phsrc%3dNKb6478%26_phstart%3dsucc essSource%26usePUBJs%3dtrue%26db%3dHO2AlienArrival s%26gss%3dangs-d%26new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26MS_AdvCB%3d1%26gsln%3dbr% 253fnn%253fr%26gsln_x%3d1%26MSAV%3d2%26uidh%3dvm5% 26gl%3d%26gst%3d%26hc%3d10%26fh%3d90%26fsk%3dBEFq3 68IgAAGMwABQNQ-61-&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults

[kiterunner]

TNA also has naturalisation papers for William Brunner from Austria, certificate no 2031 issued 23 May 1855:
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C7311248

[CuriousKat]

Thank you so much, i shall have a look. Where do you thinka birth certificate for Adolphe would be located? Though born in Paris his father is Austrian. Though there is no proof saying Adolphe is his i am fairly sure he is. Here is a link to a donation that the brother gave of his books, but they have him down as his son, which he clearly can't be, but it is the link between them.
http://www.ashbracken.com/BrHouse-HTML/BrH1816-B.html#BrunnerJ

[kiterunner]

This shows that his birth was registered in Paris, in the old second arrondissement, and that his date of birth was 31 Jan 1852, but I'm not sure offhand whether there is more to find online. I will have to see. I think I have only looked at the post-1860 Paris records before.

http://canadp-archivesenligne.paris.fr/archives_etat_civil/avant_1860_fichiers_etat_civil_reconstitue/fecr_visu_img.php?registre=V3E_N_0350&type=ECRF&&bdd_en_cours=etat_civil_rec_fichiers&vue_tranche_debut=AD075ER_5MI20761_01334_C&vue_tranche_fin=AD075ER_5MI20761_01384_C&ref_histo=44898&cote=V3E/N%20350

(you will need to navigate to image number 31)

Edit - I think the information on the site says that the pre-1860 birth registrations were damaged or destroyed in a fire, and they are in the process of restoring some of them, and that if you find a record listed, like the above, you can view the birth registration on microfilm in the reading room at the Paris Archives.
http://canadp-archivesenligne.paris.fr/archives_etat_civil/index.php

[kiterunner]

On Adolphe's marriage certificate, his father is James Brunner, occupation pasteur, which translates as pastor:

http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/1623/31280_197519-00283/3070917?backurl=%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3f_phsrc%3dNKb6518%26_phstart%3dsucc essSource%26usePUBJs%3dtrue%26db%3dlmamarriages%26 so%3d2%26pcat%3dROOT_CATEGORY%26gss%3dangs-g%26new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26msT%3d1%26gsfn%3dadol*%26 gsfn_x%3d1%26gsln%3dbrunner%26gsln_x%3d1%26MSAV%3d 2%26MS_AdvCB%3d1%26cpxt%3d1%26cp%3d11%26catbucket% 3drstp&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults