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Name - "official" name and what they were known as
George Baker
Date and place of birth
Hmm he says Pontypool Monmouthshire, Wales
Names of parents
John Baker and ???
Date and place of baptism - if applicable
???
Details of each of his or her marriages - if any
13 November 1885
Occupation(s) - if any
1881 Labourer in Iron Works
1891 Blast Furnace Man
Military service - if any
???
Addresses where they lived - and please list which censuses you have or haven't found him/her on
1881 13 Church St North Ormesby, Yorkshire
1891 9 Church St North Ormesby, Yorkshire
Date, place and cause of death
Before 1901 as carnt find him on there ??????
Date and place of burial / cremation.
?????
Details of will / administration of their estate - if applicable
None
Memorial inscription - if any
None
Have possibilities for him in
1861 and 1871 but I'm not 100% certain I'm on the right track ;;
1861 Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 3974; Folio: 56; Page: 11; GSU roll: 543216.
1871 Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 2572; Folio: 74; Page: 20; GSU roll: 835270.
1871 Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 5293; Folio: 9; Page: 11; GSU roll: 848428.
Margaret in Burton
20-12-09, 14:23
Is this his birth?
George Baker
June qtr 1854
Pontypool
11a 164
age is a bit out from the 1881 and 1891
Margaret in Burton
20-12-09, 14:28
Did he marry Ellen Playford?
Middlesbro 1885
Dec qtr 9d 1001
Do you have the marriage cert? What's his fathers name on that.
Margaret in Burton
20-12-09, 14:40
Ellen and children in 1901, she is a widow.
RG13; Piece: 4586; Folio: 135; Page: 36
There is a death in Middlebrough in 1899 but he is 70. Too old.
Babs, where does the W appear from in his name? Isn't that his son? Can only see him referred to as George
Margaret in Burton
20-12-09, 14:53
I've found Ellen in 1911 as well.
RG14PN29290 RG78PN1696 RD535 SD3 ED27 SN149
She is with a Arthur and Mabel Stroyd (daughter?)
On the last line of the names it says Raymond Stroyd - son aged 16 months. This is crossed out and it says dead next to it. :eek::eek::eek:
Do you want this image??
Margaret in Burton
20-12-09, 15:01
Have possibilities for him in
1861 and 1871 but I'm not 100% certain I'm on the right track ;;
1861 Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 3974; Folio: 56; Page: 11; GSU roll: 543216.
1871 Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 2572; Folio: 74; Page: 20; GSU roll: 835270.
1871 Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 5293; Folio: 9; Page: 11; GSU roll: 848428.
Can't find the 1861 or the second 1871
I have cert for his Marriage to Ellen my GGran but just dont know about birth like you have found nothing to fit exactly or nearby ;;the Casweet one think its 1861 Howie found for me he said that would have come under Monthouthshire but why did he contantly say Pontypool ???
Margaret in Burton
20-12-09, 15:41
What his fathers name on the marriage cert Babs?
Casweet doesn't appear to exist
Arghhhh Margaret certs are buried upstairs at mo think it was William but not 100% certian
and son and grandies just walked in will look later;;sorry
This is the only census I found with the fathers name as same as on cert 1871
Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 2572; Folio: 74; Page: 20; GSU roll: 835270.
Margaret in Burton
20-12-09, 21:41
This is the only census I found with the fathers name as same as on cert 1871
Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 2572; Folio: 74; Page: 20; GSU roll: 835270.
Trouble is that George was born about 1859, the one you are sure is yours on the 1881/1891 census was born about 1852/1853
I can't find his death either. Ellen is a widow on the 1901 and the 1911, No likely death for Gerorge 1891-1901.
Well on the 1881 he is lodging with my GG grandparents and 1891 is when he is married to Ellen my G grandmother
Oh I couldnt find her on1911
Have you investigated this one?
Births Jun 1854
BAKER George Pontypool 11a 164
Depends if it is this one ;;
I have brought down a birth cert that I sent for which is 8 June 1854 George father William mother Maria formerly Griffiths he was farmer in Usk Mommouthshire which was under Trostrey ;;or something ;;
Margaret in Burton
20-12-09, 21:55
Oh I couldnt find her on1911
Tut Tut Babs
Not reading the thread properly #6 :D:D
Margaret in Burton
20-12-09, 21:57
Is this his birth?
George Baker
June qtr 1854
Pontypool
11a 164
age is a bit out from the 1881 and 1891
Have you investigated this one?
Births Jun 1854
BAKER George Pontypool 11a 164
Are my posts invisible on this thread? :D:D #3
I think I should go to specsavers, yes I have them now didnt see her on that and yes Mabel did lose son Raymond
Opps sorry didnt see that about births lol gosh I should read a whole lot slower instead of skimming things ;;;sorry Margaret
Are my posts invisible on this thread? :D:D #3
Sorry Marg - I think I was reading the wrong thread! I have got very confused with this because I've been here before on FTF and probably on GR as well, I don't remember!!
Margaret in Burton
21-12-09, 08:03
I think I should go to specsavers, yes I have them now didnt see her on that and yes Mabel did lose son Raymond
It's the first time I have actually seen "dead" written to someones name on a census though.
Have you got the image? I'll sent it to you if not.
I have the original one but not one like yours Margaret , would be very grateful for the image ;;yes on mine its white line all way down
Margaret in Burton
21-12-09, 13:44
Yes, a white line on the right hand side, it says dead on the left in tiny writing, just near his name.
I'll email it to you anyway.
Oh right never noticed on the other , will have to send for that birth Merry found and but that father has to be John and if mother is Maria nee Griffiths that I already have it ;; thats the only birth to be found wasnt it ;;
The only trouble is I found that family in usk and followed them and there George was still with them in 1881 so couldnt be mine ;;
Margaret in Burton
21-12-09, 15:19
That birth might be the one you already have, make sure you don't get the same one twice, I've done that before.
Yes I know Margaret so have I twice , since then now make note of order number which was after I had this one dam it ;;
Margaret in Burton
21-12-09, 15:34
Have you found that marriage cert yet Babs?
I wondered what age he said he was when he got married.
Margaret in Burton
21-12-09, 15:55
Can I summarise what we have (and don't have)
I've been having another look at the possible 1861 census we found
RG9; Piece: 3974; Folio: 56; Page: 11
They are living in Chepstow reg district. There are quite a few possible births in Cheptow if you look at FreeBMD. I was just looking at Pontypool before. It's just his age that is inconsistant.
On the 1861, John the dad was aged 26 born in Gloucestershire. Wife Mary age 23 born in Bally???????, Ireland. George age 2 and Ellen age 6 months.
1871 census, same family I think. RG10; Piece: 2572; Folio: 74; Page: 20
John aged 38 born in Old??? Gloucestershire, wife Mary age 36 born in Casweet?, Monmouthshire (different wife????????) George age 12, Ellen 11 and so on.
Fast forward to 1881 where Babs is sure its the right person.
RG11; Piece: 4861; Folio: 23; Page: 42
aged 29.....................or is he?? Is he aged 20 like the person below him?
1891 aged 38 RG12; Piece: 4018; Folio 27; Page 47
His wife is a widow in 1901 and 1911. Where is his death? There is no death in Middlesbrough that fits.
His death would be registered at Guisborough reg office I have looked on tees valley indexes and sure I have a possible but all papers put away upstairs over the xmas period so pass but I havnt been there for months now and last time I was reg office was closed ;;
Margaret in Burton
21-12-09, 16:04
Nothing on FreeBMD for Guisborough at all.
Just looking at that 1881 census where does the other lodger say he is from , there do under Monmouthshire ??? wondering where they might have known each other from thats all ;;
Margaret in Burton
21-12-09, 16:07
Just looking at that 1881 census where does the other lodger say he is from , there do under Monmouthshire ??? wondering where they might have known each other from thats all ;;
Yes, he's from Cwmbron, Monmouth, Wales
No nothing on TVI think girl said to ask up there as some records hadnt been done for some reason ;;
Wow Margaret Ancestry has thrown me a possible birth in Chepstow 11 a pg 2 ;;
that fits in about time birth 1853 so another one now its starting to look good I will find his birth by hook or crook ;;
Well sorry to drag this up again , but Its doing my head in big time ,,
Right Marg found marriage cert he has his age down as 32 and they where married 13 Nov 1885 at Mbro reg office his fathers name is John and it says Gen Labourer so not deceased ,,,can we go anywhere from here do you think ,,
Witness to marriage where Ellens Mam and dad
Right havnt touched tree all this year and this is one of my dam walls but hey ho ancestry has just thrown up to births for me maybe they match ones already mentioned on here
Name: George Baker
Registration Year: 1854
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration district: Pontypool
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 164
and Oh ok now have gone back to ancestry there's only 1 listed weird also in my notes it says on his DC it says George William
kiterunner
11-11-14, 17:06
That birth registration has been mentioned a few times on this thread, Babs, but I don't know whether you ever got the certificate.
kiterunner
11-11-14, 17:19
also in my notes it says on his DC it says George William
Did you manage to get his death certificate then, Babs? We didn't manage to find his death on this thread but it could be you found it in the meantime as it is a pretty old thread?
No havnt done anything this yr re tree this is 1st time I have looked at anything, must see if I can find it to send for amorrow
kiterunner
11-11-14, 22:15
Oops, just realised that birth reg you posted up is the one that you already have a birth cert for and it doesn't match your George's father's details - see post #16 on this thread.
kiterunner
11-11-14, 22:44
This is probably a red herring, but because you said his middle name was William, I've been looking at this family on the 1861 census - not the George who is too old, but the William who is about the right age:
Tranch Wood, Trevethin, Monmouthshire
John Baker Head M 53 Collier Monm Panteg
Mary Do Wife M 55 Do
George Do Son U 24 Miner Trevethen
John Do Do Do 22 Collier Do
Ann Do Dau 18 Do
Mary Do Do 14 Do
William Do Son 7 Do
Trevethin is just outside Pontypool.
But I haven't managed to find out anything else about them to rule them in or out yet.
Going to contact Monmouthshire reg office tomorrow and see if its the same on at Usk I think it was and no couldnt find death for him but its awkward trying to do searches on tablet well for me yet but nothing for those yrs in tees valley indexes
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