If anyone wants to bale out now ...

[vita]

... I quite understand, but I'm revisiting my Atkinsons of Holborn after

becoming hopelessly stuck on 4xg/grandparents Thomas & Mary Ann.

I've hesitated for some time over posting this as I've received so much help

here on this family, but I've decided to give it one last shot. I wouldn't expect

anyone to plough through the numerous threads, so I've picked out what I

hope are the relevant points to illustrate my problem.

Thomas Atkinson & Mary Ann ? were probably married about 1786/7 as their

first child was baptised 1788.I have no bap. for Thomas & no m for the

couple.

In 1788 they were in Dean St, Holborn & in 1794 in nearby Hand Court.

Their children were Christiana bap 1788 (my 3xg/grandmother), Maria Ann

bap 1790, Thomas bap 1792 & James bap 1794. There is another son,

Samuel Hughes Atkinson, b 1799, no bap found, whose marriage cert shows

Samuel Atkinson, tailor,as his father but this may be a slip of the pen unless

Thomas died early & Mary Ann m another Atkinson. Samuel Hughes's 1850 will

makes bequests to sister Christiana & brother James. I don't know what

happened to siblings Maria Ann & Thomas.

All I know about Mary Ann is that she was b about 1769 in Marylebone &

was a widow when she married Abraham Andrews in 1829. She d in 1854.

I have a theory that her maiden name may have been Hughes - a name

passed on by later generations - but then why wait till 3rd son's birth to

use it?

So, I have very little to go on in the search for the origins of Thomas & Mary

Ann - a possible maiden name for her & profession for him with very little in

between. I'd appreciate any advice please, including confirmation that the

info is too vague & this may be a hopeless case.

[Terri]

There are a few Marys, but there isn't a marriage for Thomas Atkinson and Mary Hughes in Ancestry London Parish Records, although it does seem to cover Holborn. (You've probably already looked there!)

[vita]

Thanks Terri - its just a theory about Hughes & probably incorrect any way.

[Merry]

What about their potential son Thomas Deverell Atkinson, bap 4 Jun 1786 St Andrew's, Holborn (of Castle St) and buried 9 Mar 1791 at St Luke's Finsbury having died of whooping cough? Did you decide he wasn't their child?

[vita]

Oh Merry - I was dreading you answering this (in a nice way, that is) as you put in so

much work before. Yes, I decided he wasn't theirs. Can't quite remember why at the

moment, but it was pretty conclusive.

[Sue from Southend]

There's a marriage on Pallot's Index - Thos.Atkinson and Mary Walker @ St Andrew, Holborn in 1785. http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?_phsrc=pYq2469&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&indiv=1&db=pallotm&gss=angs-d&new=1&rank=1&msT=1&gsfn=Thomas&gsfn_x=0&gsln=atkinson&gsln_x=0&mssng=mary&MSAV=1&uidh=zs8&pcat=34&fh=5&h=54821&recoff=5%206%2021&ml_rpos=6
I have ancestors married there at that time and have found no other record on line. I think WW2 had something to do with it!


I've just looked on Ancestry and 1785 marriages should be on there??

[Merry]

Oh Merry - I was dreading you answering this (in a nice way, that is) as you put in so

much work before. Yes, I decided he wasn't theirs. Can't quite remember why at the

moment, but it was pretty conclusive.


OK, I'll try and forget about it then! if you remember the reason Id like to know it.

[vita]

Thanks both. Yes Merry - will do. Looks like Thomas Deverell's father may have been a

broker.

[Sue from Southend]

There's also a marriage bond for the Atkinson/Walker marriage in October 1785. Or have you already discounted this marriage?

[kiterunner]

That 1785 marriage is on ancestry:

http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/1623/31281_A100986-00050/215211?backurl=%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3f_phsrc%3dWHR2323%26_phstart%3dsucc essSource%26usePUBJs%3dtrue%26db%3dlmamarriages%26 so%3d2%26pcat%3dROOT_CATEGORY%26gss%3dangs-g%26new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26msT%3d1%26gsfn%3dtho*%26g sfn_x%3d1%26gsln%3dat*n*s*%26gsln_x%3d1%26MSAV%3d2 %26MS_AdvCB%3d1%26msgdy%3d1785%26msgdy_x%3d1%26msg dp%3d1%26mssng%3dmar*%26mssng_x%3d1%26mssns%3dwal* %26mssns_x%3d1%26cpxt%3d1%26cp%3d11%26catbucket%3d rstp&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults

Thomas Atkinson of the Parish of Saint Andrew Holborn London Batchelor, and Mary Walker of the same Parish Spinster, were married in this Church by Licence on the Ninth Day of October (1785)... witnesses Rd Perry, Ann Colmore (both serial witnesses).

and the next entry is interesting since your Mary Ann had a daughter Christiana:
Edward Tilbrook of the Parish of Stratford upon Avon in the County of Warwick Batchelor, and Christian Walker of the Parish of Saint Andrew Holborn in the County of Middlesex Spinster, were married in this Church by Licence on the Eleventh Day of October (1785), same witnesses.

[Terri]

There is a burial for Christiana (with an A at the end) Tillbrook, age 54 in 1810 in Clerkenwell

[vita]

I see what you mean, Kite. And thanks again Terri - it seems Edward Tillbrook was

landlord of the Coach & Horses, St Johns Square, Clerkenwell c1790.