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If anyone has time, another pair of eyes would be wonderful.
I'm looking for the marriage of:
Edward James Matthews to "Annie" (born 1960 Portsmouth)
Their first child was born in 1882 in Portsmouth (and given Annie's age) the marriage must surely have been around 1881.
I have a strong suspicion that "Annie" is actually Eliza Annie Harris, but I can't find a marriage for Edward to prove or disprove it.
Thanks very much.:)
PS Neither of them can be found in 1881
I can't see a marriage in Portsmouth for him. What was his occupation?
There's a marriage in Holborn for Eliza to either George Meadows or Charles Matthews in 1st quarter 1880.
Thanks Julie.
The potential Charles Matthews connection has made my heart beat a little faster!
Anyway, Edward was just a clerk.
To put this into context:
I have lost Eliza Annie Harris, born 1860 Portsmouth
She left Portsmouth for Surrey with her family between 1871 and 1875.
On both her brothers' army records, (one in 1875, one in 1883) she is called "Annie"; residence London.
In 1891, there is Annie Matthews, born 1860 Portsmouth in Kingston, Surrey - where her brothers and mother lived or had lived.
In 1911, her brother has adopted a Dorothy Matthews, born 1897, Kingston.
In 1901, the Edward Matthews family are living in Holborn! It's doing my head in.
SORRY, made a mistake there, it was Walter Matthews who was with her brother.
What was the child's name and he/she born in Portsea?
Have you got their 1891 census details please?
kiterunner
05-09-16, 14:01
There's a marriage in Holborn for Eliza to either George Meadows or Charles Matthews in 1st quarter 1880.
That Eliza married George Meadows - it's in the London PR's on ancestry.
Looking on family search - could this be them in 1901
1901 census St Andrew Holborn Above the Bars amd St George the Martyr, London, Middlesex, England.
I see an Annie Matthews age 38 born 1863 in Portsmouth with her husband Edward J Matthews born Devizes age 45 Children Harriet C Matthews age 17 born Portsmouth, Annie K Matthews 13, born Kingston On T, Surrey, Emily L Matthews 10 KOT, MabEL V Matthews 7 BORN kot and Ethel A Matthews 4 born KOT.
Still can't see a marriage though.
kiterunner
05-09-16, 14:12
Not sure whether you already have Dorothy Matthews in 1901, Terri? She is with a Harris family:
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/7814/LNDRG13_115_117-0409/135594?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk% 2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3f_phsrc%3dnrL253%26_phstart%3dsucce ssSource%26usePUBJs%3dtrue%26db%3duki1901%26gss%3d angs-d%26new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26MS_AdvCB%3d1%26gsfn%3ddor *%26gsfn_x%3d1%26gsln%3dmat*w*%26gsln_x%3d1%26msbd y%3d1897%26msbdy_x%3d1%26msbdp%3d1%26MSAV%3d2%26ui dh%3dvm5%26gl%3d%26gst%3d%26hc%3d10%26fh%3d40%26fs k%3dBEDmZmYIgAAehgEVbZM-61-&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults
89 Up Gloster Place, Marylebone, London
William Harris Head M 43 Sergeant Metrop Police Hants Portsea
Lucy Harris Wife M 42 Somerset Frome
Dorothy Matthews Visitor S 4 Surrey Kingston
kiterunner
05-09-16, 14:23
This is the 1891 census entry for the Matthews family:
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/6598/SRYRG12_609_610-0383/18263560?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.u k%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3duki1891%26gss%3dsfs28_ms_r_db %26new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26MS_AdvCB%3d1%26gsfn%3danni e%26gsfn_x%3d1%26gsln%3dmat*w*%26gsln_x%3d1%26msbd y%3d1860%26msbdy_x%3d1%26msbdp%3d2%26gskw%3dkingst on%26gskw_x%3d1%26MSAV%3d2%26uidh%3dvm5&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults
105 Gibbon Rd, Kingston, Surrey
Edward J Matthews Head M 35 Tailors Clerk Wilts Devizes
Annie Do Wife M 27(?) Hants Portsmouth
James Do Son 9 Scholar Do Do
Cecelia Do Daur 7 Do Do Do
Annie K Do Daur 3 Surrey Kingston
All correct ladies.
In 1901 the family have moved from Kingston to Holborn, just a couple of miles from William Harris and Dorothy Harris in Marylebone.
I can't find Edward or Annie in 1911, but William has adopted Dorothy by 1911.
I know this could just be a weird coincidence .......... and I thought it would so simple to sort out - just find Edward's marriage. It never is that simple though!!!!
I'm toying with the possibility that Edward was married before and therefore married Annie much later than 1881. If I could find either of them in 1881 it would help! lol
Or maybe Annie was married before and some of the children were not Edwards?
kiterunner
05-09-16, 14:31
There is a possible marriage in Swansea on FreeBMD:
Marriages Dec 1882
Harris Annie Swansea 11a 1082
MASLEN Lydia Swansea 11a 1082
MATTHEWS Edward Swansea 11a 1082
Roberts Arthur Samuel Swansea 11a 1082
Just need to see whether we can rule it out (or in)...
I'm sure they hide on purpose.
kiterunner
05-09-16, 14:39
Okay, Lydia Maslen's birth was registered Jan-Mar 1858 Swansea, so it looks as though she married Arthur Samuel Roberts as there is this 1901 census entry:
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/7814/GLSRG13_2426_2427-0349/13166832?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.u k%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3f_phsrc%3dnrL267%26_phstart%3dsucce ssSource%26usePUBJs%3dtrue%26db%3duki1901%26so%3d2 %26pcat%3d1901UKI%26gss%3dangs-c%26new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26msT%3d1%26MS_AdvCB%3d1%26 gsfn%3dl%3fdi*%26gsfn_x%3d1%26msbdy%3d1859%26msbdy _x%3d1%26msbdp%3d5%26gskw%3dglam*%26gskw_x%3d1%26M SAV%3d2%26uidh%3dvm5&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults
Gloucester
Arthur S Roberts Head M 44 Provision Merchant Gloster
Lydia Do Wife M 43 Glam Swansea
Grace E Do Daug S 10 Gloster
so an Edward Matthews did marry an Annie Harris in 1882 in Swansea, but are they the right couple?
There are 3 Edward and Ann couples in Wales in 1891. Only one is the right age and they are living in Glamorgan. Annoying!
kiterunner
05-09-16, 14:50
I can't find that 1882 marriage anywhere apart from the GRO index to check whether they are the right people or not.
Eliza Annie's uncles lived in south Wales, so I wouldn't have discounted it. She had family in Portsea/Portsmouth, Surrey, London, Wiltshire .............. she could have been living or married anywhere.
I can't find Edward or Annie in 1911,
Deaths Dec 1905
Matthews Edward James 50 Holborn 1b 401
Deaths Dec 1905
Matthews Edward James 50 Holborn 1b 401
Neither could I Merry. It would have helped to give a year of their marriage
Neither could I Merry.
Neither could you what?
Have you found the younger children from the 1901 census in 1911?
This is the link for 1901 census on fmp - unfortunately it does't come up on ancestry.
http://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=gbc%2f1901%2f0007657442
Here it is on Ancestry (just in case anyone doesn't have fmp):
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/7814/LNDRG13_246_247-0597/15737279?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.u k%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3f_phsrc%3dNTW2577%26_phstart%3dsucc essSource%26usePUBJs%3dtrue%26db%3duki1901%26so%3d 2%26pcat%3dROOT_CATEGORY%26gss%3dangs-g%26new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26msT%3d1%26MS_AdvCB%3d1%26 gsfn%3dannie%26gsfn_x%3d1%26gsln%3dmatthews%26gsln _x%3d1%26gskw%3dportsmouth%2520holborn%26gskw_x%3d 1%26cpxt%3d1%26cp%3d11%26catbucket%3drstp%26MSAV%3 d2%26uidh%3d672&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults
1871 census?
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?_phsrc=UIH2874&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&indiv=1&db=uki1871&gss=angs-d&new=1&rank=1&msT=1&MS_AdvCB=1&gsfn=Edward%20James&gsfn_x=NN&gsln=Matthews&gsln_x=1&msbpn__ftp=Devizes,%20Wiltshire,%20England&msbpn=88246&msbpn_PInfo=8-%7C0%7C0%7C3257%7C3251%7C0%7C0%7C0%7C5290%7C88246% 7C0%7C0%7C&msbpn_x=1&msbpn__ftp_x=1&cp=0&catbucket=rstp&MSAV=2&uidh=2l2&pcat=35&fh=0&h=4262238&recoff=&ml_rpos=1
Neither could you what?
Find Annie in 1911. I couldn't find a death for her either
Have you found the younger children from the 1901 census in 1911?
No sign of them
kiterunner
05-09-16, 16:57
Here are the baptisms of some of the children, but Annie is down as Maria Annie on these:
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/1558/31280_196274-00168/2228787?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk %2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3f_phsrc%3dnrL309%26_phstart%3dsucce ssSource%26usePUBJs%3dtrue%26db%3dlmabirths%26so%3 d2%26pcat%3d34%26gss%3dangs-c%26new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26msT%3d1%26gsfn%3demily%2b laura%26gsfn_x%3d1%26gsln%3dmat*w*%26gsln_x%3d1%26 MSAV%3d2%26MS_AdvCB%3d1%26cpxt%3d1%26cp%3d11%26cat bucket%3drstp&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults
Here are the baptisms of some of the children, but Annie is down as Maria Annie on these:
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/1558/31280_196274-00168/2228787?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk %2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3f_phsrc%3dnrL309%26_phstart%3dsucce ssSource%26usePUBJs%3dtrue%26db%3dlmabirths%26so%3 d2%26pcat%3d34%26gss%3dangs-c%26new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26msT%3d1%26gsfn%3demily%2b laura%26gsfn_x%3d1%26gsln%3dmat*w*%26gsln_x%3d1%26 MSAV%3d2%26MS_AdvCB%3d1%26cpxt%3d1%26cp%3d11%26cat bucket%3drstp&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults
Well if that's proof that this Annie is not my Eliza Annie, then that is good enough for me! ;)
But I don't see a Maria Ann* b Portsmouth around the same time as your (Eliza) Annie, nor a marriage of Maria Ann* to Edward J Matthews, so who is to say that isn't your Annie?!
I found Emily Louisa in 1910 married to someone called Reeve in Portsmouth, but it hasn't helped much. Her relationship to the head is sister-in-law because the wife of the head was prev a Reeve. Oops, pots boiling over.........
I couldn't find a marriage either, but why would an Eliza become a Maria? (Other than out of pure cussedness!) It's annoying enough that I have no idea if she always called herself Annie, or became Eliza on official documents (censuses aside).
kiterunner
05-09-16, 19:00
I found Emily Louisa in 1910 married to someone called Reeve in Portsmouth, but it hasn't helped much. Her relationship to the head is sister-in-law because the wife of the head was prev a Reeve. Oops, pots boiling over.........
I thought her name was Emily Laura?
I looks to me as if the family moved back to Portsmouth after Edward died in 1905.
As I said, Emily married a Reeve and that was in 1910 in Portsmouth.
This is Mabel:
Marriages Sep 1922
Matthews Mabel A Newland Portsmouth 2b 1242
Died Q4 1954 aged 60 in Portsmouth.
In 1939 her dob is 31 mar 1895 which the right date, but one year off, compared with her dob on the baptism record Kate posted!
kiterunner
05-09-16, 19:08
I couldn't find a marriage either, but why would an Eliza become a Maria? (Other than out of pure cussedness!) It's annoying enough that I have no idea if she always called herself Annie, or became Eliza on official documents (censuses aside).
Terri, you mentioned at the beginning of this thread that Eliza Annie's brothers listed her as sister Annie, residence London, next of kin on their army papers, in 1875 and 1883. Does the 1883 one give her surname?
Also, Harriet Cecilia's date of birth on her baptism is 27 Feb 1884, and the censuses say she was born in Portsmouth, although I haven't found her birth reg to confirm this yet. But if she was born around then I suppose it is less likely that her mother is the Annie who was living in London in 1883?
Terri, you mentioned at the beginning of this thread that Eliza Annie's brothers listed her as sister Annie, residence London, next of kin on their army papers, in 1875 and 1883. Does the 1883 one give her surname?
Also, Harriet Cecilia's date of birth on her baptism is 27 Feb 1884, and the censuses say she was born in Portsmouth, although I haven't found her birth reg to confirm this yet. But if she was born around then I suppose it is less likely that her mother is the Annie who was living in London in 1883?
Unfortunately not. And in 1883, all the family were listed as living in London, when one of her brothers and her mother lived in Surrey, so that's not necessarily accurate. As both brothers called her Annie, this was obviously here preferred name, but she was definitely registered as Eliza Ann.
kiterunner
05-09-16, 19:16
There is a Harriet Cecilia Brooksbank birth registered Apr-Jun 1884 Portsea district.
I looks to me as if the family moved back to Portsmouth after Edward died in 1905.
As I said, Emily married a Reeve and that was in 1910 in Portsmouth.
This is Mabel:
Marriages Sep 1922
Matthews Mabel A Newland Portsmouth 2b 1242
Died Q4 1954 aged 60 in Portsmouth.
In 1939 her dob is 31 mar 1895 which the right date, but one year off, compared with her dob on the baptism record Kate posted!
That's brilliant Merry, thank you.
kiterunner
05-09-16, 19:22
And there is also a James Brooksbank (James Alfred Brooksbank, actually) birth registered Oct-Dec 1881 Portsea. Could be a coincidence though.
Edit - Harriet Cecilia Brooksbank got married in Portsmouth but that would fit with either her being a red herring or the family moving back to Portsmouth. Have to go and eat now...
I haven't looked at this yet but interesting that she has two entries, when Miss Matthews was listed as Cecelia rather than Harriet on at least one census!
Marriages Dec 1908
ANDERSON Ernest Victor Portsmouth 2b 1146
BROOKSBANK Cecilia Portsmouth 2b 1146
BROOKSBANK Harriett Cecilia Portsmouth 2b 1146
EDNEY Laura Agnes Portsmouth 2b 1146
WILLIAMS Joshua Portsmouth 2b 1146
I haven't looked at this yet but interesting that she has two entries, when Miss Matthews was listed as Cecelia rather than Harriet on at least one census!
Marriages Dec 1908
ANDERSON Ernest Victor Portsmouth 2b 1146
BROOKSBANK Cecilia Portsmouth 2b 1146
BROOKSBANK Harriett Cecilia Portsmouth 2b 1146
EDNEY Laura Agnes Portsmouth 2b 1146
WILLIAMS Joshua Portsmouth 2b 1146
There seems to be a family habit of using middle names at will.
There's a Mrs. C. Williams, married 3 years in Portsmouth in 1911 with a 2 year old daughter called Cecilia
Oh *5$%£**
Back in 1881 there's Maria Brookbank aged 17 nee Ford, soldiers wife living with her parents in Portsea. Is she Mrs Maria Annie Matthews?
Looks like she has the right forenames:
Marriages Dec 1880 (>99%)
Brooksbank Mark Meller Portsea 2b 857
BROOKSHANK Mark Meller Portsea 2b 857
Clarey Lubannah Portsea 2b 857
Clarey Luhannah Portsea 2b 857
FORD Maria Annie Portsea 2b 857
Hopkins George Portsea 2b 857
I can't see a Brooksbank to Matthews marriage but that might still be because one of them or both was not free to marry.
Oh *5$%£**
Back in 1881 there's Maria Brookbank aged 17 nee Ford, soldiers wife living with her parents in Portsea. Is she Mrs Maria Annie Matthews?
Looks like she has the right forenames:
Marriages Dec 1880 (>99%)
Brooksbank Mark Meller Portsea 2b 857
BROOKSHANK Mark Meller Portsea 2b 857
Clarey Lubannah Portsea 2b 857
Clarey Luhannah Portsea 2b 857
FORD Maria Annie Portsea 2b 857
Hopkins George Portsea 2b 857
I can't see a Brooksbank to Matthews marriage but that might still be because one of them or both was not free to marry.
She could very well be, but I'm now increasingly certain she is not mine. It's a whopping great annoying nuisance, and now I'm back to square one and I want to bang my head on my keyboard :mad:
Oooh look! Were we quicker off the mark (at least at the beginning) when we did this query six years ago?? lol
http://www.genealogistsforum.co.uk/forum/archive/index.php?t-4111.html
Oh blimey, sorry! I knew I'd put it up before, but I thought it was on the other site! I should have checked ..................:
Six years ago .......................................???!!!!! Time flies ....................
I feel really bad now, I've wasted so much of your time for nothing, sorry.
So, going back to the start :rolleyes:
You want to know what happened to this Eliza Ann? :
ELIZA ANN HARRIS Pedigree
Female
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 24 JUN 1860 Saint Thomas, Portsmouth, Hampshire, England
Death:
Burial:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Parents:
Father: JAMES HARRIS Family
Mother: ADELAIDE AMELIA
did Adelaide and James live until 1911?
Yes Merry, I've lost Eiiza Ann, who calls herself Annie.
She disappears after 1871.
Her family are in Portsea in 1871, on brother's army records in 1875, they are listed as in London.
In 1881, mother is working in Star and Garter hotel in Putney, no other members of the family can be found.
They are: William born 1856 (in the army)
James born 1864 (in the army)
George born 1868
Ernest Clarke born 1870
In 1883 mother Adelaide is living in East Molesey
In 1891 Adelaide, George, Ernest and Jame are living in Kingston upon Thames
So, going back to the start :rolleyes:
You want to know what happened to this Eliza Ann? :
ELIZA ANN HARRIS Pedigree
Female
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 24 JUN 1860 Saint Thomas, Portsmouth, Hampshire, England
Death:
Burial:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Parents:
Father: JAMES HARRIS Family
Mother: ADELAIDE AMELIA
did Adelaide and James live until 1911?
James died in 1870. In 1911 Adelaide is in Kingston upon Thames workhouse
In 1911 Adelaide is in Kingston upon Thames workhouse
Yes, until I saw that I was hoping she might have filled in the census herself and put the number of children she had living (in case that helped), as most people didn't seem to read the Q properly. I see the W/H thought she was single!! lol
Yes, until I saw that I was hoping she might have filled in the census herself and put the number of children she had living (in case that helped), as most people didn't seem to read the Q properly. I see the W/H thought she was single!! lol
She'd been widowed for so long, 40 years, (and was possibly a bit senile) that she probably forgot she'd been married!
She'd been widowed for so long, 40 years, (and was possibly a bit senile) that she probably forgot she'd been married!
Quite likely - My mum does know she was married (I think) but has no idea who to, after 45 years a widow.
Kate asked what surname was given for Annie in the army records. Do you have that info?
If this was my tree I'd probably have to buy that Dorothy Matthews birth cert!
Oh bless! lol
Well this is now sending me doollaley so I'm going to bed.
Thanks so much for all your help, you have all been brilliant and I'm so sorry to have been such a pain. Maybe I'm going senile. :(
If I ever track down Eliza Ann she will get a cyber kick up the backside.
Kate asked what surname was given for Annie in the army records. Do you have that info?
If this was my tree I'd probably have to buy that Dorothy Matthews birth cert!
It's going to come to that. I thought it would be sooo simple! Bloody ancestors.
And no, there is no surname mentioned, so I've no idea if she was married then or not.
I suppose it's not unheard of for young men to be vague about their sister's relationship status, but I would hope she was at least alive in 1883 when she second brother mentioned her!
In the army records was Annie recorded as Ann/ie and or Eliza?
Just seen, you said Annie. :)
In 1911, her brother has adopted a Dorothy Matthews, born 1897, Kingston.
In 1901, the Edward Matthews family are living in Holborn! It's doing my head in.
SORRY, made a mistake there, it was Walter Matthews who was with her brother.
Is that comment about Walter Matthews a mistake? I can only find William Henry Harris and wife Lucy with their adopted daughter Dorothy in 1911.
You didn't mention which brothers had army records. I would like to see the 1883 one if it's on FMP, but there are too many to choose from!
The Walter Matthews is with William Harris in 1891. I had a poke about for Walter, but couldnt reliably pin him down before or after 1891.
Both William Henry and James had army records. I didn't get them online - the papers were in the family.
Yes, she is referred to as Annie on both sets.
PS William was inclined to call himself Henry when he felt like it
I have checked, rechecked and checked again, censuses from 1881 to 1911 every Eliza and every Ann or Annie of the approximate age and birth place. The Matthews woman was the only one that seemed even half likely and it's not her.
I can only think that she died, and though there are few (one I think!) Eliza Ann Harris's who died, there are a pile of Eliza Harris's. No way short of spending a lot of money to find out if any are her.
Or possibly, she married and emigrated - or emigrated then married. Or married, then died under an unknown married name. The possibilities are endless!
OK, so 31 Hercules Road, Lambeth
Walter Mathews lodger single 25 grocer's manager b London Old Ford
You realise he is listed separately to William H Harris and his wife (did she die? I couldn't find a marriage to Lucy), so they may not have been the people he was paying his rent to as he was not classed as part of their household. He and the other lodger Arthur E Stockwell both have separate schedule numbers. Of course that doesn't preclude Walter having some connection to Dorothy, but Mat(t)hews is a pretty common name!
And so is Harris!!! :)
I couldn't find a marriage for William and Lucy either.
He was married to a woman called Egbel from Constantinople. (He'd been in the Middle East for some time - I reckon she was a souvenir he brought home with him). Couldn't find a marriage there either, not that I expected to - if there was one it was probably out of the UK. Anyway, Egbel simply disappeared and Lucy appeared!
Yes, Walter Matthews was a very long shot.
I found James' army papers on fmp. They mention his mother Adelaide as nok, but I can't see a ref to Annie.
Service number: 369
Regiment: Hampshire Regiment - 37th & 67th Foot
I'm sure she's on there somewhere. I don't have the papers at the moment, the belonged to my aunt, but I had taken down all the details. It still doesn't really help except to suggest she might be dead, or married, or emigrated.
She doesn't turn up as a witness on her brothers' marriages, which she ought to have done, if she was around.
Taken from the paperwork I have:
Name James Harris
Enlisted for General Service
on the 19th July 1882
at Winchester
for 7 years in Army and 5 years in Reserve
in the county of Hants
at the age of 19 years
Born in the parish of Portsmouth
Trade or calling Musician
Height 5'6”
Complexion Fair
Eyes Blue
Hair Light brown
Marks Mole on right bicep
Religion Church of England
Service Abroad
East India 18/9/1883 to 2/11/1885
Burma 3/11/1885 to 14/4/1887
India 15/4/1887
4th class Certificate of Education
Issued on 2/5/1883
Next of Kin (as of July1883)
Mother Adelaide, 3 Spring Gardens, East Molesey
Henry (older) London, Middlesex
George (younger) London, Middlesex
Ernest (younger) Kingston upon Thames
Annie London, Middlesex
Cammanose?84 Scamderabad 85 Mandalay 86 Chan State?87 Chatham
From Army Form No D439
Private James Harris No. 369
Of Army Reserve and 21 Hants Regiment of Foot
Conduct: Good. He is in possession of a 4th class Certificate of Education. Pianoforte repairer. Steady and sober.
Age: 25
Height: 5'7 1/2”
Complexion: Fair
Eyes: Blue
Hair: Light brown
Marks: Scar on right eye, anchor tattooed on back of left hand
Date: 31st July 1888, Chatham
A least on that version there is an address for Adelaide. On the papers I looked at her address is just London. Great if the army needed to find her!
Didnt know there was more than one version!
Maybe the papers for William Henry (if there is one on fmp) will be a different version too? Do you have his service number?
This is what I have for William:
FROM ARMY PAPERS OF WILLIAM HENRY HARRIS
Regimental Number: 47/231
Enlisted for the: 4th Brigade Regiment of Foot
on 28th June 1875
at Kingston, Surrey
at age of 18 years
Born in parish of Portsea
Trade or Calling Clerk
Height: 5'7 1/2”
Complexion Fresh
Eyes Grey
Hair Light brown
Marks Tattooed: Heart and dagger, anchor and bracelet on left arm
Religion Church of England
2nd Class Certificate of Education issued on 19th January 1876
Next of kin: Mother, Adelaide, London
James (younger)
George (younger)
Ernest (younger)
Annie (younger)
as at 21/2/1877
Drill Certificate issued to non-commissioned officer (Lance Corporal) of 70th Regiment on 13/4/1881
Portland 1877 Mooltan 1878 Southern Afghanistan 1879
(Served at least 6 years; page dated 28/6/1881, where it's noted that he spent 288 days in British payment and 237 days in Indian payment)
William was depositing £15 a month into Regimental Savings Bank in 1881
I got nowhere with those details :(
I realise this isn't likely to be the right marriage as we can't see Annie in 1881 or 1891 but this is bugging me!
Marriages Dec 1893
Boyce Rhoda Kingston 2a 646
Harris Annie Kingston 2a 646
Head Samuel Kingston 2a 646
Leary Mary Agnes Kingston 2a 646
Of course Rhoda Boyce married Samuel Head (1901 and 1911 census).
I think Mary Agnes Leary married Frederick Allum who is listed as page 645 (info only from Ancestry trees though)
So, what about Annie Harris?!! lol
Thanks Merry, I'll have a hunt for that Annie and her missing husband!
kiterunner
06-09-16, 17:43
That's a strange one, because quite a few of the pages in the 640's for vol 2a in that quarter seem to have more than 4 names, so it isn't obvious who has got the wrong page number.
That's a strange one, because quite a few of the pages in the 640's for vol 2a in that quarter seem to have more than 4 names, so it isn't obvious who has got the wrong page number.
I must have checked about 30 so far ...............!!!
Are you going to tell us which ones you've checked, Terri? No point in doing the same ones over!
No ............. I've just been going through the list top to bottom, any Kingston marriages for the right qtr and year with more male than female names, with particular emphasis on any with a page number similar to 646 - many are really hard to read.
No luck so far.
If I find anything interesting, you will be the first to know!!!
Ok. I officially give up, (for now)
I have spent hours and hours and hours searching marriages.
I then went back to 1891 and checked the marriages of every Annie, Ann and Eliza of the right age in Portsmouth area or the south east of England. I couldn't pin down them all, but there were none that stood out as possible.
I can only think that she left the country, probably after she married.
Thank you so much for all your help on this, you are amazing ;):)
I'm not going any near Ancestry for at least a week :rolleyes:
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