Mary from Italy - are you there?

[Anstey Nomad]

Do you have the disks of the burial records for Welford Road?

Thanks

[Mary from Italy]

Yes, up to 2000. What do you need?

[Anstey Nomad]

Thanks.

Samuel and Emma Bradbury, Harrison Road

Abraham and Charlotte Phillips, Bartholomew Street?

[Mary from Italy]

All the following are buried in plot B347

Sarah Ann Bradbury, 3 Burgess Street, aged 39, buried 11/2/1886
Emma Bradbary, Burgess Street, aged 14, buried 26/4/1886
Emma Bradbury, 1 Harrison Road, aged 71, buried 4/8/1917
Samuel Bradbury, 1 Harrison Road, aged 73, buried 20/3/1922
Lily Bradbury, 1 Harrison Road, aged 60, buried 19/5/1943

[Mary from Italy]

I'm having trouble with the others; can you tell me their years of birth, and when you think they might have died?

[Mary from Italy]

Never mind, I've found them in the 1911 census.

I can't see them in Leicester in the 1939 register, so they'd presumably either died or moved by then.

This is probably Abraham's death, but I haven't found a matching burial:

Deaths Jun 1933
Phillips Abraham / 72 / Blaby / 7a 52

Not sure which cemetery would cover the Blaby area. I've checked Welford Road, Saffron Hill and Gilroes, but they're not there.

I've found burials for their sons Frank (d. 1915) and George (d. 1931) (both of Bartholomew St.) at Welford Road, but their parents aren't buried with them.

I can't find an obvious death for Charlotte, unless it's this one:

Deaths Dec 1938
Phillips Charlotte M / 75 / Mt. Bosworth / 7a 105

[Anstey Nomad]

Thanks. That's brilliant. Lily died only very shortly after retirement.

The others are Abraham Phillips born c1861, died 1933.

You may not find his Charlotte. She died at her daughter's in Shackerstone in 1938.

His parents were also Abraham and Charlotte, born c1822 and 1827 respectively.

[Mary from Italy]

An Ada Elizabeth Phillips married Thomas U King in Market Bosworth in 1936.

There's an Ada Elizabeth King born 1/11/1909 on the 1939 Register, shown as married, with one closed record at her address (Allotment Lane, Shackerstone).

That matches this birth:

Births Dec 1909
Phillips Ada Elizabeth Leicester 7a 232

So I think that death in Mkt Bosworth will be Charlotte's.

[Mary from Italy]

My posts crossed with yours :)

[Mary from Italy]

Blaby cemetery burials are online, but Abraham isn't there either:

http://www.leicestershirevillages.com/blaby/blabycemeteryburials.html

The Blaby RD covers a very wide area, though.

I wonder if he was in the Blaby Union Workhouse? It was in Enderby, and apparently became the Enderby House County Home after 1930, providing accommodation for the elderly and chronic sick.

http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Blaby/

Enderby burials only seem to be online up to 1911.

[Mary from Italy]

Charlotte senior is buried at Welford Road in what looks like a common grave with several children who have different surnames (Elliott, Peach, Simpkin, Bennett and Baxter).

Abraham senior is buried at Welford Road in plot N2028 with the following people, presumably relatives of his:

Thomas Phillips, Victoria St., aged 17, buried 29/12/1875
Nellie Phillips, New Park St., aged 6 months, buried 3/10/1888
Abraham Phillips, Napier St., aged 68, buried 1/3/1890
Elsie Phillips, Napier St., aged 6 months, buried 22/7/1891

plus people with the surnames Wright and Brown; would they be relatives? If so, I'll post the details.

[Anstey Nomad]

Thank you so much Mary.

It looks as if you've identified two of the three missing Phillips siblings.

George was killed when someone opened a car door without warning and knocked him off his bike.

I'm not sure who Frank is. The only Frank I know was killed in France in 1918.

So, only 'young Abraham' is missing. Hmm, I wonder when he is.

Thanks again. The

[Merry]

I've found burials for their sons Frank (d. 1915) and George (d. 1931) (both of Bartholomew St.) at Welford Road, but their parents aren't buried with them.



George was killed when someone opened a car door without warning and knocked him off his bike.

I'm not sure who Frank is. The only Frank I know was killed in France in 1918.



It would seem Franks isn't the son of Abraham and Charlotte Phillips of Bartholomew Street, but was buried from that address. I found these entries:


Births Sep 1913
Phillips Frank A Dilks Leicester 7a 395

Deaths Jun 1915
Phillips Frank A 1 Leicester 7a 286

and this marriage for his parents:


Marriages Mar 1913

Dilks Florence Phillips Leicester 7a 371
Phillips Harry Dilks Leicester 7a 371

Harry Phillips is presumably the older brother of George (I saw him on the 1901 census aged 8) and therefore Frank is the grandson of Abraham and Charlotte.

[Anstey Nomad]

Ah, right. I didn't realise Uncle Harry had any children other than young Harry.

Thinking it through, I wonder if this is Frankie who drowned in the copper? I have a picture of him somewhere - a pretty child with angelic blond curls.

My mother told me about his untimely death, but omitted to tell me whose child he was.

[Merry]

I found a different Phillips boy (John Edwin aged 8, son of john Edwin) who drowned in the canal at Leicester in 1915 in a newspaper report, but not anything about Frank.

[Mary from Italy]

Sorry, I thought I'd checked the age of the Frank buried from Bartholomew Street but I can't have done, because he was indeed 2.

He's buried with Constance, Arthur and Frances Dilks. Let me know if you want the full details.

[Mary from Italy]

So, only 'young Abraham' is missing. Hmm, I wonder when he is.



Is he a child of Abraham and Charlotte from Bartholomew Street? I can't see him with them on the censuses.

[Anstey Nomad]

'Young Abraham' is Abraham Phillips from Batholomew Street, died Blaby District 1933 and buried who knows where.

[Mary from Italy]

Ah, sorry, I misunderstood.

Did you see post #10?

[Merry]

Ah, right. I didn't realise Uncle Harry had any children other than young Harry.



It looks like Uncle Harry had four children! Frank who died as an infant, Harry b 1914 and also Jack b 1925 (mmn Dilks, reg Market Bosworth) and J*** b 1927 (mmn Dilks, reg Market Bosworth - possibly still living). I know there's a big gap from 1914-1925, so you might think the third and fourth child were from a different family, but on the 1939 register we have:

General Store , Market Bosworth R.D., Leicestershire

Harry Phillips b 3 Sept 1892 widower Plumber (heavy worker)
Emily C Bradford/Phillips b 16 Sept 1889 divorcee Housekeeper
Jack Phillips b 22 Jul 1925 single Plumber's apprentice
One closed record (presumably J*** b 1927)

Here's Florence (Dilk's) death reg:

Deaths Sep 1931
Phillips Florence 36 Mt.Bosworth 7a 92

Later, Harry married his housekeeper, Emily Bradford, nee Coley.

Marriages Sep 1941
Bradford Emily C Phillips Mt.Bosworth 7a 289
Coley Emily C Phillips Mt.Bosworth 7a 289
Phillips Harry Coley Mt.Bosworth 7a 289
Phillips Harry Bradford Mt.Bosworth 7a 289

[Merry]

Jack didn't die until 2003, so someone must have had his closed record opened.

[kiterunner]

If you're talking about the 1939 Register, Merry, I thought FMP had run software which automatically checked against the GRO Death Index and opened records if it found a match.

[Merry]

Oh, I didn't know that. Thanks.

[Anstey Nomad]

It's just dawned on me that Uncle Harry's children were my mother's cousins.

I have two photos. One is of Frankie, who died as a toddler and the other is a formal portrait of young Harry with Florence. That's it. I know nothing about the other two at all. They were never mentioned.

I've only ever met one Phillips relative and that was Auntie Ada. I met her once, about 1970. That's it.

[Anstey Nomad]

Time moves on and my knowledge grows.

Abraham and Charlotte lived in the Framework Knitters' Homes in Oadby and I am told they were both buried in the cemetery at Oadby. My correspondent doesn't think there would have been money for a stone. I know there would have been.

Looking at earlier posts on this thread, the lady born in 1927 is still alive and has been very helpful.

[Mary from Italy]

Might be worth contacting the Council for information; from this thread it looks as though they're very helpful:

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=583322.0

[Anstey Nomad]

Yes, I saw that. I'll add that to my list of tasks to complete.

Thanks again for all your help Mary, it's much appreciated.