James Sutcliffe

[CuriousKat]

Name - "official" name and what they were known as James Sutcliffe
Date and place of birth Bradford 1823
Names of parents ????
Date and place of baptism - if applicable????
Details of each of his or her marriages - if any Maria Gomersal/Gumersall appx 1854 no record found
Occupation(s) - if any Stone Mason
Addresses where they lived (including county if in UK) - and please list which censuses you have or haven't found him/her on (if s/he lived in census times!).1861/71/81 10 Jane St , Bradford , 83 Knowle St, Bradford, 150 Tong St, Bradford.
Date, place and cause of death 30/9/1884 (info from cousin)
Date and place of burial. 2/10/1884
Details of will / administration of their estate - if applicable
Memorial inscription - if any

looking for parents & marriage

[kiterunner]

I assume this is Bradford, Yorkshire?

[kiterunner]

Also, can I ask how you know Maria's maiden name is Gomersal, please?

[CuriousKat]

Also, can I ask how you know Maria's maiden name is Gomersal, please?
Hello, yes Bradford Yorkshire, on their children's birth certificates the maiden name is listed as Gomersal & Gumersall different variations.

[kiterunner]

This could be James in 1851:
1851 census on FMP (http://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=gbc%2f1851%2f4301772%2f00201&parentid=gbc%2f1851%2f0014524851&highlights=%22%22)
Ancestry was playing up so I couldn't link to it on there.

27 Abram Gate, Horton, Bradford, Yorkshire
William Reynard(?) Head Mar 39 Journeyman Carpenter Yorks Otley
Elizabeth do Wife Mar 34 Do Pudsey
Thomas Hunter Father in law Widr 73 Formerly Cloth Maker Do Do
James Sutcliffe Lodger Mar 28 Mason Do Bradford
Henry Scott Do U 24 Journeyman Carpenter Do Richmond
Thomas Booth Do U 23 Engineer Lanca Bury

On the 1851 census, the Maria Gummersall who I think is yours is unmarried, age 22, with her parents Joseph and Jane in Tong. She has a brother Robinson, and the Sutcliffe family have a son named Robinson on the 1861 census so I think this is the right Maria. But if these are the right James and the right Maria, it looks as though James was married before, so maybe his first wife was still alive when he met Maria and therefore they were not free to marry?


He is likely to be the son of this family on the 1841 census, given the father's occupation, but it would be nice to have the marriage to Maria to confirm it, if they did ever marry. Edit - Having looked some more, though, I suspect that they never did.

http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/8978/WRYHO107_1295_1296-0121/12360211?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.u k%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3f_phsrc%3dNKb3824%26_phstart%3dsucc essSource%26usePUBJs%3dtrue%26db%3duki1841%26gss%3 dangs-d%26new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26msT%3d1%26MS_AdvCB%3d1%26 gsfn%3dja*s%26gsfn_x%3d1%26gsln%3dsut*l*f*%26gsln_ x%3d1%26msbdy%3d1826%26msbdy_x%3d1%26msbdp%3d5%26g skw%3dyorks*%26gskw_x%3d1%26MSAV%3d2%26uidh%3dvm5% 26gl%3d%26gst%3d%26hc%3d10%26fh%3d20%26fsk%3dBEDcz MwIgAAjEgDAoWo-61-&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults

Leeming, Haworth, Yorkshire
James Sutcliffe 50 Stone Mason Yes
John Do 20 Yes
Timothy Do 20 Yes
Hannah Do 19 Yes
James Do 15 Yes
Robert Do 15 Yes
Thomas do 14 Yes

[CuriousKat]

Fabulous thank you, i shall have to track down the 1841 Sutcliffe's & see if i can find a link.
I wonder who he was married to 1st?

[CuriousKat]

I don't think that this is my James :-(
I thought it maybe as there is a marriage to Sophia Dodgson in Howarth 1/7/1844
but then you can see the family on the 1861 census
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1861&indiv=try&h=9876578

but my James is also on the 1861 census with Maria.

So frustrating.

[kiterunner]

Oh yes. FreeREG has the transcription of that marriage and it shows James's father as James Sutcliffe, stone mason, with Robert Sutcliffe as one of the witnesses, so you're right, that 1841 family doesn't look like the right one.