Twickenham birth records

[geniebug]

Anyone familiar with Twickenham birth records, we have two children missing who obviously died between censuses.

The cildren we have are
James 20 June 1875
Frances Rosa 1878
Emily Sarah 27 Feb 1882
William Ernest 25 Nov 1883
Eliza 1891
Florence Charlotte 3 Oct 14

There is a gap between 1878 & 1882 and again 1883 - 1891

Parents are Seth Cook (b Sheet Hants and Eliza Adams (Liss, Hants) but their children were all born in Twickenham.

I hope someone can help.

[Mary from Italy]

This might be one of the children (Twickenham's in the Brentford registration district):

Births Jun 1888
COOK Henry Seth Brentford 3a 71

Deaths Jun 1889
COOK Henry Seth 1 Brentford 3a 39

Ancestry has his burial, but my subscription's lapsed, so I can't check the details.

[geniebug]

Thanks Mary - that's one mystery solved!

[Janet]

Name: Henry Seth Cook
Record Type: Burial
Age: 14 Months
Estimated birth year: abt 1888
Death Date: abt 1889
Burial Date: 11 May 1889
Burial Place: Twickenham, England
Parish or Poor Law Union: Twickenham
Borough: Richmond upon Thames
Register Type: Parish Register

Check your email too, Jood.

[geniebug]

Thanks for that Janet.

At least we found one deceased son. The father had stipulated he had 8 children and both of us only had 6.

[Merry]

This doesn't help with your query, but these are the baps recorded at St Mary the Virgin in Twickenham:

James bap 1 Aug 1875 address Twickenham, father's occ Railway Porter

Frances Rosa 7 Oct 1877 (not 1878) ditto for rest of info

Emily Sarah 7 May 1882 ditto occ Porter

and this one at Holy Trinity Twickenham:

William Ernest 23 Jan 1884 (born 25 Dec 1883) address 2 Charlotte Cottages, Talbot Road, occ Railway Servant

The burial Janet posted has the address Talbot Road.

None of the other burials I looked at had helpful addresses, though I suppose you might be able to eliminate some by looking to see where other Cook families were living on the 1881/1891 census, plus comparing their birth registration Qs with the ones you know are Seth and Eliza's children. You'd have to be very lucky to eliminate all but one though!!

[geniebug]

Daniel, the father of the children in question had some children born in Sheet, but some also in Petersfield. That seems to be the only place. His wife Sally was born Harting, Sussex tho I've not seen any children born there.

[Merry]

Do you mean Daniel is Seth's father?

[Merry]

we have two children missing who obviously died between censuses.

The children we have are
James 20 June 1875
Frances Rosa 1878
Emily Sarah 27 Feb 1882
William Ernest 25 Nov 1883
Eliza 1891
Florence Charlotte 3 Oct 94


You have listed six children and Mary found Henry Seth who died, but the 1911 census states the family had eight children with seven surviving (not six) and only one dec'd.

[geniebug]

Yes, Seths parents are Daniel Cook and Sally Philps (Phelps)
Born 10 May 1817 Sheet, Hants & born 1816, Harting, Sussex resp.

Daniel, the father of the children in question had some children born in Sheet, but some also in Petersfield. That seems to be the only place. His wife Sally was born Harting, Sussex tho I've not seen any children born there
Oh I confused you there, I meant Daniel the father of the children, should have read "father of Seth" Sorry

[Merry]

I'm starting to think there was just some confusion over the questions in 1911. Maybe they only had seven children altogether? I have looked at many entries for Cook* born Twickenham who are not living with their parents on the 1881/91/01 censuses, but none seem to belong to Seth and Eliza.

[geniebug]

This is the only proof I have

http://i935.photobucket.com/albums/ad193/joody_anne/1911%20Census%20Seth%20Cook.jpg

[Merry]

Exactly!

I still can't see any living children b Twickenham who have managed never to have a census night away from their parents, but I suppose if a slightly different place was given for their birthplace they might have slipped through the net. Presumably you would know if there had been a spare Cook child with any surviving Do you have all the census records for all Seth and Eliza's siblings?

I just find it harder to believe they would write down one dead child if there were two, but anything is possible. At least the original set of numbers (written alongside Seth instead of Eliza) do seem to be in his handwriting.

[geniebug]

Seth's father (I have got it right now) Daniel & mother Sallly Philps had 11 children (I am telling you this because family names are sometimes handed down)
Hannah, Frances, James, John, Emily Jane, Martha, Abel, Seth, Andrew Charles, Rosa Sophia & Esther Elizabeth.

Censuses I have are 1861 Hannah 21, servant unmarried
1871 John Cook and his wife Elizabeth, 22, Bricklayer b. Petersfield & 4 children - Elizabeth A, John Y, William and Frank. John Y was born Surrey Brighton, William at Swanage? Dorset as was Frank. His wife Elizabeth was born Langton, Dorset
1871 Hannah and her husband William Moon, she was 30, b Sheet Hants. 1 child
1881 Rosa 23 (I think) Fruiterer & fish mongerer, and a servant, b. Petersfield, Hants.
1881 Seth 25 wife Railway Porter, b Sheet Hants son James 5, and daughters Frances Rosa 2 children b Middle ? Twickenham, His wife, Liss Hants
1881 Thomas 52 Stoker Petersfield Hants wife Mary A 46, Sheet, Hants children Thomas 19 (stoker) Alfred 14 (scholar) Rosa (11), Frederick 9, Minnie 6 all b Portsmouth Hants.
1891 Abel 69 Market gardener 69 wife Sara He born Petersfield, she from Benhall? Suffolk children William P 14, b Sheet Petersfield Hants Andrew C 12 Portsmouth Hants.
I have heaps more of the children as they've grown up, but they don't tell me what I want to know.

Would it be easier to look up a deceased Cook child in Twickenham around the years stated? Obviously I don't have earlier censuses for Seth Cook than 1881 - that is a point.

[Merry]

Would it be easier to look up a deceased Cook child in Twickenham around the years stated?

There are still several to choose from (as I said at the bottom of post #6) and as they said they had only lost one child by 1911 the incentive has gone as Mary already found Henry Seth who lived in the right street.

[geniebug]

Ok thanks Merry.

Thanks for your help.