What happened to the Reillys?

[ElizabethHerts]

I have Robert Reilly, born in Ireland, and Helen/Ellen Thompson who married by 1834 (don't know where).

Their children are as follows:

James born c. 1834
Ellen/Hellen born c. 1835 Carmarthenshire, Wales
Robert born c. 1838 Carmarthenshire, Wales
John born c. 1839 Ireland
Isabella Ann born 6 March 1842, baptised 15 May 1842 St Patrick, Liverpool
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?_phsrc=lES357&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&indiv=1&db=LiverpoolEngCathBapt&gss=angs-d&new=1&gsln=R*ly&gsln_x=0&msfng=Robert&msfns=R*ly&msmng=Ellen&msmns=Thompson&MSAV=1&uidh=ho3&rank=1&pcat=34&fh=0&h=482132&recoff=9%2031%2032%2043%2044&ml_rpos=1
George born 1845 Birkenhead, Cheshire
Elizabeth born 1847 Birkenhead, Cheshire
Thomas born 1848 Birkenhead, Cheshire

1841 Census
Blackstock Street Economy Place, Liverpool
HO107 piece 557 folio 7/12 page 17
Address: Blackstock Street Economy Place, Liverpool
REILLY, Robt M 35 1806 Ireland Agricultural ?
REILLY, Ellen F 30 1811 Scotland
REILLY, James M 8 1833 No
REILLY, Ellen F 7 1834 Wales
REILLY, Robert M 5 1836 Wales
REILLY, John M 2 1839 Ireland

1851 Census
Grosvenor Road, Birkenhead Wirral
Class: HO107; Piece: 2175; Folio: 345; Page: 40; GSU roll: 87168.
Address: Grosvenor Road, Birkenhead
REILLY, Robert Head Married M 50 1801 Gardener Ireland
REILLY, Helen Wife Married F 44 1807 Scotland
REILLY, Ellen Daughter Unmarried F 16 1835 Dress Maker Llanelly Carmarthenshire
REILLY, John Son Unmarried M 12 1839 Solicitors Office Boy Ireland
REILLY, Isabella Daughter Unmarried F 9 1842 Liverpool Lancashire
REILLY, George Son Unmarried M 5 1846 Birkenhead Cheshire
REILLY, Elizabeth Daughter Unmarried F 4 1847 Birkenhead Cheshire
REILLY, Thomas Son Unmarried M 2 1849 Birkenhead Cheshire

1861 Census
BIRKENHEAD, Cheshire
RG09 piece 2649 folio 9 page 14
REILLY, Robert Head Married M 60 1801 Gardener Ireland
REILLY, Helen Wife Married F 55 1806 Scotland
REILLY, Isabella Daughter Unmarried F 19 1842 Shopwoman Lancaster Liverpool
REILLY, Thomas Son M 12 1849 Scholar Chester Birkenhead
ATKINSON, Ellen Granddaughter F 1 1860 Lancaster Everton


I have accounted for Isabella Reilly, who married James Taylor in 1863. Also I have Ellen who married Henry Bainbridge Atkinson in 1858.

The mother Helen/Ellen died in 1866:
Deaths Sep 1866
REILLY Helen 59
Birkenhead
8a 273

The same year Thomas is found in crew lists:

Name: Thomas Reilly
Age: 18
Birth Year: abt 1848
Birth Place: Birkenhead
Event Date: 21 Aug 1866
Port of Registry: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Ship Name: City of Limerick
Official Number: 22938
Reference Number: 387CRE/215

After 1866 I lose sight of the rest of the family, except probably John, who in 1891 is living in Birkenhead, single and a broker (agent).

I don't know what happen to Robert or the rest of the family.

They were RC.

[garstonite]

if they were Catholic - have a look for marriages on
www.liverpoolhistoryprojects.co.uk
marriages

I will have a look as well

[ElizabethHerts]

if they were Catholic - have a look for marriages on
www.liverpoolhistoryprojects.co.uk
marriages

I will have a look as well

Thanks, Allan. I have used that site once or twice before. I'll have a look, but as they were in Birkenhead so far they aren't turning up in Liverpool except for Isabella's baptism.

[garstonite]

I presume that in 1863 when Isabella gets married , the family are still in Birkenhead ? the marriage was in Birkenhead - Civil Marriage or Registrar attended
Many people went from the Wirral went to Liverpool to get married - it was a Ferry ride across the Mersey and a "day out" - so I wouldn't dismiss any of the children marrying in Liverpool ..:)

added - in case you don't have it
Also I have Ellen who married Henry Bainbridge Atkinson in 1858.- they married in St John church , Egremont

[ElizabethHerts]

It's a shame the marriage information doesn't give the names of the fathers of the bride and groom, as it's impossible to tell otherwise!

[ElizabethHerts]

I presume that in 1863 when Isabella gets married , the family are still in Birkenhead ? the marriage was in Birkenhead - Civil Marriage or Registrar attended
Many people went from the Wirral went to Liverpool to get married - it was a Ferry ride across the Mersey and a "day out" - so I wouldn't dismiss any of the children marrying in Liverpool ..:)

They were in Birkenhead in 1861 and also when Helen Reilly died in 1866 that was in Birkenhead too.

[ElizabethHerts]

Ellen Reilly and Henry Bainbridge Atkinson married in the Wirral Registration District too.
Q4 1858.

[garstonite]

Name Ellen Maggie Atkinson
Event Type Baptism
Event Date 19 Feb 1860
Event Place Wallasey, St Alban's Catholic Church, Liscard, Cheshire, England
Gender Female
Father's Name Henrici Bainbridge Atkinson
Mother's Name Ellen Reilly Atkinson

Ellen and Henry are in Wallasey by 1860
added
you will find Henry and Ellen and family in Macclesfield in 1881 census Ellen Maggie Atkinson is aged 21 - and Henry is a Chemist Druggist ...

[kiterunner]

There is a baptism in the Irish Catholic PR's:
St Andrew's, Dublin City
2 Jan 1839 John OConnell Reilly, Michl Robt & Helen, SS Jos McKenna & Bridget Halpin

So this could be the parents' marriage:
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/1623/31280_194678-00476/1933138?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk %2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3f_phsrc%3dNKb296%26_phstart%3dsucce ssSource%26usePUBJs%3dtrue%26db%3dlmamarriages%26s o%3d2%26pcat%3dROOT_CATEGORY%26gss%3dangs-g%26new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26msT%3d1%26gsfn%3drob*%26g sfn_x%3d1%26gsln%3dr*l*y%26gsln_x%3d1%26MSAV%3d2%2 6MS_AdvCB%3d1%26msgdy%3d1831%26msgdy_x%3d1%26msgdp %3d10%26mssng%3d*el*n%26mssng_x%3d1%26mssns%3dt*m* S*n%26mssns_x%3d1%26cpxt%3d1%26cp%3d11%26catbucket %3drstp&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults

St Marylebone, Westminster
Michael Robert Rielly OTP bach & Helen Thomson OTP sp married by banns 5 Jul 1832 witnessesx John Bean, Ann (or Wm?) Bean

[ElizabethHerts]

Name Ellen Maggie Atkinson
Event Type Baptism
Event Date 19 Feb 1860
Event Place Wallasey, St Alban's Catholic Church, Liscard, Cheshire, England
Gender Female
Father's Name Henrici Bainbridge Atkinson
Mother's Name Ellen Reilly Atkinson

Ellen and Henry are in Wallasey by 1860
added
you will find Henry and Ellen and family in Macclesfield in 1881 census Ellen Maggie Atkinson is aged 21 - and Henry is a Chemist Druggist ...

Thanks, Allan. I have no problem with the Atkinsons - the Taylors and Atkinsons were quite close and they were godparents for some of each others' children.

[ElizabethHerts]

There is a baptism in the Irish Catholic PR's:
St Andrew's, Dublin City
2 Jan 1839 John OConnell Reilly, Michl Robt & Helen, SS Jos McKenna & Bridget Halpin

So this could be the parents' marriage:
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/1623/31280_194678-00476/1933138?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk %2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3f_phsrc%3dNKb296%26_phstart%3dsucce ssSource%26usePUBJs%3dtrue%26db%3dlmamarriages%26s o%3d2%26pcat%3dROOT_CATEGORY%26gss%3dangs-g%26new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26msT%3d1%26gsfn%3drob*%26g sfn_x%3d1%26gsln%3dr*l*y%26gsln_x%3d1%26MSAV%3d2%2 6MS_AdvCB%3d1%26msgdy%3d1831%26msgdy_x%3d1%26msgdp %3d10%26mssng%3d*el*n%26mssng_x%3d1%26mssns%3dt*m* S*n%26mssns_x%3d1%26cpxt%3d1%26cp%3d11%26catbucket %3drstp&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults

St Marylebone, Westminster
Michael Robert Rielly OTP bach & Helen Thomson OTP sp married by banns 5 Jul 1832 witnessesx John Bean, Ann (or Wm?) Bean

Wow, that's interesting, Kate. I've never seen him with the name Michael before. If that it them they certainly got around - Ireland, Scotland, Wales, back to Ireland for a birth, Liverpool and then Birkenhead!

[ElizabethHerts]

I would have expected them to have had an RC marriage. Perhaps Helen was born a Protestant.

[kiterunner]

They wouldn't have been able to have a Catholic marriage in England and Wales at that time, though, would they?

[ElizabethHerts]

I think the Liverpool connection is muddying the waters for me!

"About Liverpool, England, Catholic Marriages, 1754-1921

While the majority of the marriages recorded in this database come from the period after a new Catholic diocese was established in Liverpool in 1850, some extend back into the 18th century, when Catholicism still operated under legal sanctions in England. The 1559 Act of Uniformity had made the Church of England the official state church, and until the Catholic Relief Act passed in 1829, Roman Catholics faced varying degrees of legal discrimination. For this reason, registers of Catholic ordinances, like the ordinances themselves, were sometimes kept secret, and sometimes ordinances weren’t recorded at all.

In spite of this, thousands of Catholic registers exist, and parish records—whether Catholic or Protestant—are the best sources of vital record information before civil registration began in England in 1837 and remain an important source thereafter. Liverpool itself has historically been home to one the largest Catholic populations in England."

[kiterunner]

Thomas is also on crew lists in 1867, same ship as in 1866.

[ElizabethHerts]

Thanks, Kate.

Isabella Reilly's godparents were Thomas and Ann McGlue (lovely name!).

Here they are on the 1851 Census:

http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/8860/LANHO107_2187_2188-0163?pid=12978432&backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk%2f%2fcg i-bin%2fsse.dll%3f_phsrc%3dlES388%26_phstart%3dsucce ssSource%26usePUBJs%3dtrue%26rank%3d1%26usepubjs%3 dtrue%26gss%3dangs-g%26new%3d1%26gsfn%3dAnn%26gsfn_x%3d0%26gsln%3dMcG lue%26gsln_x%3d0%26msypn__ftp%3dLiverpool%2c%2520L ancashire%2c%2520England%26msypn%3d92187%26msypn_p info%3d8-%257C0%257C0%257C3257%257C3251%257C0%257C0%257C0%2 57C5271%257C92187%257C0%257C%26msav%3d1%26cpxt%3d1 %26cp%3d4%26catbucket%3drstp%26uidh%3dho3%26pcat%3 dROOT_CATEGORY%26h%3d12978432%26recoff%3d6%25207%2 6db%3duki1851%26indiv%3d1%26ml_rpos%3d13&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=lES388

Thomas McGlue is a gardener, as was Robert Reilly.

I wonder if they are related to the Reillys. I can't find a marriage for Thomas and Ann.

[ElizabethHerts]

John McGlue married Sarah Hood at St Thomas's Liverpool (C of E). His father was Thomas McGlue, gardener.

http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/2197/englb5617_283-tho-3-7_m_00190?pid=1538087&backurl=http://search.ancestry.co.uk//cgi-bin/sse.dll?_phsrc%3DlES396%26_phstart%3DsuccessSource %26usePUBJs%3Dtrue%26indiv%3D1%26db%3DLiverpoolCoE Marriages%26gss%3Dangs-d%26new%3D1%26rank%3D1%26msT%3D1%26gsln%3DMcGlue%2 6gsln_x%3D0%26MSAV%3D1%26uidh%3Dho3%26pcat%3D34%26 fh%3D0%26h%3D1538087%26recoff%3D10%252030%26ml_rpo s%3D1&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=lES396&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true

[garstonite]

John McGlue married Sarah Hood at St Thomas's Liverpool (C of E). His father was Thomas McGlue, gardener.

http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/2197/englb5617_283-tho-3-7_m_00190?pid=1538087&backurl=http://search.ancestry.co.uk//cgi-bin/sse.dll?_phsrc%3DlES396%26_phstart%3DsuccessSource %26usePUBJs%3Dtrue%26indiv%3D1%26db%3DLiverpoolCoE Marriages%26gss%3Dangs-d%26new%3D1%26rank%3D1%26msT%3D1%26gsln%3DMcGlue%2 6gsln_x%3D0%26MSAV%3D1%26uidh%3Dho3%26pcat%3D34%26 fh%3D0%26h%3D1538087%26recoff%3D10%252030%26ml_rpo s%3D1&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=lES396&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true

sadly - there is no date as the record was obscured by water damage...

Marriage: ? 1869 St Thomas, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
John Mc Glue - full, Bricklayer, Bachelor, Liverpool
Sarah Hood - full, Spinster, Liverpool
Groom's Father: Thomas Mc Glue, Gardener
Bride's Father: William Hood, Shipwright
Witness: Susannah Aurthur; Philip Mc Culla, (X)
Married by Thos. L. Pain M. A. Incumbent by: Banns
Notes: [Date obscured by water-damage]

[kiterunner]

The date is on the image, Allan - 18 Apr 1869.

[ElizabethHerts]

Thanks, Allan.