Lost great grandmother

[Squeeze]

In my research I have hit a brick wall with regards to my great grandmother. Can anyone help?

Alice Mary Wyatt
Born: Dec 1882 St. Giles London
Married Edmund Payne Q1 1901

My father (now deceased ) does not remember her and he was born in 1936. Has been a mystery for ages and would love to complete this part of my tree.

Many thanks in advance

[ElizabethHerts]

What exactly do you know? You obviously have her birth, so I would assume you know who her parents were.

Is it information on her later life you are looking for?

[Squeeze]

Hi. Yes it is her later life. Her husband Edmund Payne died in 1914 so she was still young. I do know she was on the stage in small minor productions with her daughter Mary (my grandmother ).

[ElizabethHerts]

So this is the family on the 1911 Census?
http://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=gbc%2f1911%2frg14%2f01017%2f0023&parentid=gbc%2f1911%2frg14%2f01017%2f0023%2f1

[Squeeze]

Nothing opens on the link. 1911 census has the family living at Clissold Park and it has Edmund, Alice, five children and three servants. Hopefully you can see the same.

[ElizabethHerts]

It is the same record, Squeeze.

[ElizabethHerts]

There are lots of newspaper articles about Edmund Payne's death. It is evident from the 1911 Census and these that Alice was his second wife.

[kiterunner]

Find a Grave website says that Edmund Payne was buried at Abney Park Cemetery, Stoke Newington, plot J08. Have you already looked into whether Alice was buried with him, Squeeze?

[Squeeze]

That's right. His first wife was Emily Saxon who died in 1899. Alice was young when she met and married Edmund. She was an extremely wealthy lady when he died as he left her quite a lot in his will.

[ElizabethHerts]

Aaah, so he is great-great-grandfather of Gareth Malone? I thought the name was familiar!

[kiterunner]

Find a Grave website says that Edmund Payne was buried at Abney Park Cemetery, Stoke Newington, plot J08. Have you already looked into whether Alice was buried with him, Squeeze?

Never mind, I found an online index to that cemetery which shows only two others in that grave - Mary 1846-1899 and Emily Saxon 1864-1899.

[Squeeze]

I know the grave. Visited it a few times. He is buried with his first wife and Alice is definitely not there.

[Squeeze]

I am the relative that met Gareth Malone in wdytya

[ElizabethHerts]

Our thread on Gareth Malone:

http://www.genealogistsforum.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=22985&highlight=Gareth+Malone

[kiterunner]

If you know her exact date of birth we could check on the 1939 Register in case she was still alive then.

[ElizabethHerts]

Would the programme makers have more information? I'm sure they have to be selective about what they include in the programme, and the researchers may well be sitting on a lot of unbroadcast information.

[Squeeze]

I am the relative that Gareth met on wdytya

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They gave me all the research information that they collected on Edmund Payne but they were not looking at that branch of my family

[Squeeze]

I forgot that the 1939 census is now available. Thank you. I will check it out. Don't think it is on Ancestry yet but I know Find my Past have it. I saw your thread on wdytya. That's why I joined your group to see if anyone can help. Been looking for her for ages. Did like all the comments on the thread.

[kiterunner]

Do you have marriage certificates for all of Alice's children and step-children who got married, and was she a witness at any of their weddings?

[Squeeze]

Alice had three children in her marriage. Mary - she is not on that one. The other two children Leslie and Nora I am not sure if they married. I can check that out. Just been on Find my past and they have an Alice Payne who was born In the correct year and she is living in Maidstone Kent. I will pay for some credits as I do most my research on Ancestry which I am a member. Fingers crossed

[ElizabethHerts]

The Maidstone one has a dob of 6 August so can't be her. She is an office cleaner.

[Squeeze]

Thank you so much for looking. Can't be her. Back to the brick wall hahaha

[kiterunner]

Do you have her exact date of birth, please, Squeeze?

[Squeeze]

Sorry I don't. Only that she was born in Q4 1882. I will check the documentation I have for Edmund Payne and see if anything is there

[kiterunner]

Her birth was registered in that quarter but that doesn't mean she was born in that quarter as you get 6 weeks to register a birth. Her birth cert would give you the exact date of birth.

[kiterunner]

Another tack would be to look at electoral register entries for her children and see whether she was living with any of them. Ancestry has electoral register entries for the London area up to 1965 and Findmypast has a lot of the rest of the country but not very easy to search.

[Squeeze]

Thank you so much. I will go along those lines. I think a cerificate is my next port of call.