John Williams of St Mildred Poultry and Bishop of Chichester

[ElizabethHerts]

Is he my 8x-great-grandfather?

Please see the information from the marriage allegation for Sarah Williams and James Barker:

http://www.genealogistsforum.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=21358&highlight=James+Barker

There is more about him here:
https://archive.org/stream/sioncollegelibra00pearrich/sioncollegelibra00pearrich_djvu.txt

and on Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Williams_%28bishop_of_Chichester%29

[kiterunner]

Not sure yet, but there is this, which mentions two of his children:
Reference:C 11/20/12
Description:
Short title: Greystock v Bickley.
Document type: Bill only.
Plaintiffs: Richard Grestock gent of Eastbourne, Sussex and Elizabeth Grestock his wife (daughter of John Williams bishop of Chichester).
Defendants: Brune Bickley esq of New College, Oxford, Roger Williams esq of the Middle Temple London (son of the said bishop of Chichester deceased).
Date of bill (or first document): 1717.
Date of last document: 1717
Date: 1717
Held by: The National Archives, Kew

[ElizabethHerts]

He was Vicar of St Mildred, Poultry, London.

When Sarah Williams married James Barker the marriage allegation stated she was the daughter of [Doctor Williams] of St Mildred Poultry.

[kiterunner]

Ooh, was James Barker an Archdeacon? There is this Roger Williams' will which looks useful:
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/5111/40611_310264-00306/729268?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk% 2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3dCanturburyPrerogativeCourt%26 gss%3dangs-d%26new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26MS_AdvCB%3d1%26gsfn%3dro* g*%26gsfn_x%3d1%26gsln%3dwilliam*%26gsln_x%3d1%26m srpn__ftp_x%3d1%26msypn__ftp_x%3d1%26rs_81004261__ date%3d2%26MSAV%3d2%26uidh%3dvm5%26gl%3d%26gst%3d% 26hc%3d10%26fh%3d10%26fsk%3dBEENq34IgAAT9wAO6PQ-61-&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults

[ElizabethHerts]

Not sure yet, but there is this, which mentions two of his children:
Reference:C 11/20/12
Description:
Short title: Greystock v Bickley.
Document type: Bill only.
Plaintiffs: Richard Grestock gent of Eastbourne, Sussex and Elizabeth Grestock his wife (daughter of John Williams bishop of Chichester).
Defendants: Brune Bickley esq of New College, Oxford, Roger Williams esq of the Middle Temple London (son of the said bishop of Chichester deceased).
Date of bill (or first document): 1717.
Date of last document: 1717
Date: 1717
Held by: The National Archives, Kew

Thanks, Kate. Looks promising - one of James and Sarah Barker's sons was Roger. Also, James Barker was Vicar of Cocking in Sussex and an Archdeacon of Chichester.

[ElizabethHerts]

Ooh, was James Barker an Archdeacon? There is this Roger Williams' will which looks useful:
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/5111/40611_310264-00306/729268?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk% 2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3dCanturburyPrerogativeCourt%26 gss%3dangs-d%26new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26MS_AdvCB%3d1%26gsfn%3dro* g*%26gsfn_x%3d1%26gsln%3dwilliam*%26gsln_x%3d1%26m srpn__ftp_x%3d1%26msypn__ftp_x%3d1%26rs_81004261__ date%3d2%26MSAV%3d2%26uidh%3dvm5%26gl%3d%26gst%3d% 26hc%3d10%26fh%3d10%26fsk%3dBEENq34IgAAT9wAO6PQ-61-&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults

Yes, Kate - we cross-posted.

[ElizabethHerts]

Oh, wow! I have just seen the will! Many thanks.

[ElizabethHerts]

I can't see a will for John Williams himself. He died in 1709.

[kiterunner]

No, I couldn't find one either, which is why I looked for Roger's instead.

[ElizabethHerts]

Roger Williams' first wife Frances left a legacy to some of the Barker sons, it appears!

Off to look for the will again, but no success so far.

[kiterunner]

Roger Williams' first wife Frances left a legacy to some of the Barker sons, it appears!

Off to look for the will again, but no success so far.

Whose will, John's or Frances's?

[ElizabethHerts]

Here is Roger Williams' baptism:

http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/1624/31281_A102091-00007/7751610?backurl=http://person.ancestry.co.uk/tree/77410027/person/44437712471/facts/citation/303018623829/edit/record

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?gss=angs-g&new=1&rank=1&gsfn=Roger&gsfn_x=0&gsln=Williams&gsln_x=0&mswpn__ftp=London%2c+England&mswpn=5274&mswpn_PInfo=7-|0|0|3257|3251|0|0|0|5274|0|0|&MSAV=1&msbdy=1675&msfng=John&cpxt=1&cp=4&catbucket=rstp&uidh=ho3&pcat=ROOT_CATEGORY&h=50627261&db=FS1EnglandBirthsandChristenings&indiv=1&ml_rpos=1

[ElizabethHerts]

Whose will, John's or Frances's?

Frances Williams' will, Kate.

[kiterunner]

http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/5111/40611_310748-00507/778597?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk% 2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3dCanturburyPrerogativeCourt%26 gss%3dangs-d%26new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26msT%3d1%26MS_AdvCB%3d1%26 gsfn%3dfran*%26gsfn_x%3d1%26gsln%3dwilliam*%26gsln _x%3d1%26msrpn__ftp_x%3d1%26msypn__ftp_x%3d1%26MSA V%3d2%26uidh%3dvm5%26gl%3d%26gst%3d%26hc%3d10%26fh %3d10%26fsk%3dBEENq34IgAAT9wAO6fQ-61-%26ti%3d5538&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults

[ElizabethHerts]

Thanks, Kate. For some reason I couldn't find it.

I have found lots of material on the Grestock family. Richard Grestock was very litigious.

[ElizabethHerts]

Well, the wife of Roger Williams (Frances Jenkes) had a sister called Sarah Jenkes whose 1698 will mentions :

"my dear Mother Sarah the wife of the Right Reverend Lord Bishop of Chickester"

and

"my dear Sister Frances Jenkes".

So I have discovered that John Williams' first wife must have died and he then married Sarah Jenkes, widow, by licence:

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?gss=angs-c&new=1&rank=1&msT=1&gsfn=Sarah&gsfn_x=0&gsln=Jenkes&gsln_x=0&msgdy=1690&msgpn__ftp=London%2c+London%2c+England&msgpn=85535&msgpn_PInfo=8-|0|0|3257|3251|0|0|0|5274|85535|0|&cpxt=1&cp=4&MSAV=1&uidh=ho3&pcat=34&h=9887979&recoff=9+10&db=LMAearlyparish&indiv=1&ml_rpos=1


http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?gss=angs-c&new=1&rank=1&msT=1&gsfn=Roger&gsfn_x=0&gsln=Williams&gsln_x=0&mssns=Jenkes&cpxt=1&cp=4&MSAV=1&uidh=ho3&pcat=34&h=476296&recoff=5+25&db=SurreyMarriage&indiv=1&ml_rpos=1
So Roger Williams married Frances Jenkes, his stepmother's daughter.

[ElizabethHerts]

The Jenkes family came from Shropshire:

http://search.shropshirehistory.org.uk/collections/getrecord/CCA_X7381_82_873B/

http://www.melocki.org.uk/salop/EatonUnderHeywood.html

[ElizabethHerts]

I have found a painting of Rev. John Williams:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/arts/yourpaintings/paintings/john-williams-16361709-bishop-of-chichester-87136

[ElizabethHerts]

Here is Rev. John Williams' burial:

http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/1624/31281_A102187-00117?pid=7919893&backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk%2f%2fcg i-bin%2fsse.dll%3findiv%3d1%26db%3dLMAearlyparish%26 gss%3dangs-d%26new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26msT%3d1%26gsfn%3djohn%26g sfn_x%3d0%26gsln%3dwilliams%26gsln_x%3d0%26msddy%3 d1709%26MSAV%3d1%26uidh%3dho3%26pcat%3d34%26fh%3d5 %26h%3d7919893%26recoff%3d9%2b10%26ml_rpos%3d6&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true

[ElizabethHerts]

I think John Williams' first wife was Margaret. Her burial is here, and that of other family members:

https://www.myheritage.com/research/collection-90100/compilation-of-published-sources?itemId=28225095&action=showRecord#fullscreen

Her granddaughter, Margaret Barker, was my 6x-grandmother.

[ElizabethHerts]

We have been down in Chichester. We visited the cathedral but although they were very helpful they didn't have to hand any more information than I already had.

However, I have traced some of the children.

[ElizabethHerts]

I have found my photos of some information that they showed me in the Cathedral and it mentions an administration in Jan. 1710 PRO, PROB 6/86, fol. 7v

(as mentioned on my other thread)