Sarah Bridges

[Kit]

This is the mother of my Joseph, so please don't run away.

I'm not well so I want to run something by everyone to make sure it makes sense.

This is Sarah in 1871, with her daughter Sarah, whose surname is Watts. No idea who Mr Watts is or what happened to him, besides him dying before 1871. I think I have posted about some of this before, I'm not trying to rehash old things.
1871 Census (http://interactive.ancestry.com.au/7619/LNDRG10_579_581-0031/12385300?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.Ancestry.com. au%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3duki1871%26so%3d2%26pcat%3dROO T_CATEGORY%26gss%3dangs-g%26new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26MS_AdvCB%3d1%26gsfn%3dsar ah%26gsfn_x%3d1%26gsln%3dbrydges%26gsln_x%3dNN%26m swpn__ftp_x%3d1%26msddp%3d2%26msdpn__ftp_x%3d1%26g skw_x%3d1%26_83004002_x%3d1%26cpxt%3d1%26cp%3d4%26 catbucket%3drstp%26MSAV%3d2%26uidh%3de35&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults)

I can't find Sarah Snr in 1881 so think she must have died before 1881. Sarah Jr married Charles Bower in 4Q 1875.

1881 Census (http://interactive.ancestry.com.au/7572/LNDRG11_488_491-0410/15433738?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.Ancestry.com. au%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3duki1881%26gss%3dsfs28_ms_r_db %26new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26MS_AdvCB%3d1%26gsfn%3dsara h%26gsfn_x%3d1%26gsln%3dbower%26gsln_x%3dNN%26msbp n__ftp_x%3d1%26msrpn__ftp_x%3d1%26msypn__ftp_x%3d1 %26mssng%3dchas%26mssng_x%3d1%26MSAV%3d2%26uidh%3d e35&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults)

I suspect this is Sarah Snr's death, which I found on FreeBMD.

Deaths Mar 1874
BRYDGES Sarah 70 Poplar 1c 458

I know the spelling is incorrect but the age is about right and it is in the area she was in before she died.

I can't find the parish register for this on FMP or ancestry (nor can I find the marriage to Charles Bower either).

Could someone please have a look and either agree or disprove the death. TIA

[Kit]

I've not been able to find a marriage for Sarah Snr and husband John. I also have that a possible surname for Sarah is Williams but I think that may have come from the family that are trying to steal my Joseph (Sarah and John's son).

Anyway a possible marriage between a John Bridges and a Sarah Williams was found in Shropshire in 1828. I've since found the parish register for that marriage and traced that John and he died a few months after the marriage. So that marriage is not mine. Putting it here for future reference.

[kiterunner]

For anyone else who had trouble finding that 1871 census entry without logging into Australian ancestry (I had multiple tabs of the UK site open at the same time), this is the transcription - ancestry have the daughter's surname transcribed as Wotts and it does look quite like that:

2 Park Rd, St Mary le Bow, Tower Hamlets, London
Sarah Bridges Head Widow 67 Tailoress & Shopkeeper Middlesex Hackney
Sarah Watts Daur Widow 40 Do Do Do Stepney
Mary Edwards Nurse Child 10 Scholar Do Regent Park
Sarah Edwards Boarder Widow 36 Servant out of Situation Essex

and the 1881:
Sumner(?) Terrace, Parnell Rd, Bow, Tower Hamlets, London
Chas Bower Head M 52 Raily Labourer Hants Portsea
Sarah Do Wife M 50 Seamstress Midx Bethnal Gr
Joseph Bridges Nephew Unm 13 Dock Messenger Do Wapping

[kiterunner]

I suspect this is Sarah Snr's death, which I found on FreeBMD.

Deaths Mar 1874
BRYDGES Sarah 70 Poplar 1c 458

I know the spelling is incorrect but the age is about right and it is in the area she was in before she died.

I can't find the parish register for this on FMP or ancestry (nor can I find the marriage to Charles Bower either).

Could someone please have a look and either agree or disprove the death.

Do you mean the burial, Toni? Her burial would only be in the PR's if it was a church burial but she was probably buried in a municipal cemetery at that date.

[kiterunner]

Sarah Jr married Charles Bower in 4Q 1875.
(nor can I find the marriage to Charles Bower either).


I assume you mean that you can't find this marriage in the parish registers, as you have already found it in the GRO index, Toni? Maybe they got married at the register office.

[kiterunner]

I haven't come across another Sarah Bridges / Brydges of the right age in the right area on the censuses, so it looks likely that that death is her, but you might have to get the death cert to be sure.

[kiterunner]

1861 census:
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/8767/MDXRG9_280_283-0660/5824385?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk %2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3duki1861%26gss%3dsfs28_ms_db%2 6new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26msT%3d1%26MS_AdvCB%3d1%26gsf n%3dsar*%26gsfn_x%3d1%26gsln%3dbr%253fdges%26gsln_ x%3d1%26msbdy%3d1805%26msbdy_x%3d1%26msbdp%3d5%26m sbpn__ftp_x%3d1%26msrpn__ftp_x%3d1%26msypn__ftp_x% 3d1%26MSAV%3d2%26uidh%3dvm5&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults

64 Hermitage St, St George in the East, Middlesex
Sarah Bridges Head W 57 Tailoress Middlesex
Sarah Watts Daur Mar 30 Do Do
Elizabeth Bridges Daur Un 20 Do Do

[kiterunner]

1851 census Sarah jr is unmarried, so the marriage should be between then and 1861:
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/8860/MDXHO107_1545_1545-0685/390053?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk% 2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3duki1851%26gss%3dsfs28_ms_db%2 6new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26msT%3d1%26MS_AdvCB%3d1%26gsf n%3dsar*%26gsfn_x%3d1%26gsln%3dbr%253fdges%26gsln_ x%3d1%26msbdy%3d1805%26msbdy_x%3d1%26msbdp%3d5%26m sbpn__ftp_x%3d1%26msrpn__ftp_x%3d1%26msypn__ftp_x% 3d1%26MSAV%3d2%26uidh%3dvm5&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults

24 Colchester Street, Whitechapel, Middlesex
Sarah Bridges Head Wid 47 Seamstress Middlesex
Sarah Do Daugh Unm 20 Do Do
Frederick Do Son 17 Errand Boy Do
Francis Do Son 12 Do Do Do
Elizabeth Do Daugh 10 Scholar Do
Joseph Do Son 8 Do Do
Catherine Outon Lodger Unm 56 Seamstress Do

[kiterunner]

1841 census:

http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/8978/MDXHO107_690_691-0475/7590105?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk %2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3duki1841%26gss%3dsfs28_ms_db%2 6new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26msT%3d1%26MS_AdvCB%3d1%26gsf n%3dfred*%26gsfn_x%3d1%26gsln%3dbr%253fdges%26gsln _x%3d1%26msbdy%3d1834%26msbdy_x%3d1%26msbdp%3d2%26 msbpn__ftp_x%3d1%26msrpn__ftp_x%3d1%26msypn__ftp_x %3d1%26MSAV%3d2%26uidh%3dvm5&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults

Willmot St, Bethnal Green, Middlesex
John Bridges 35 Labourer Y
Sarah Do 35 Y
Richard Do 14 Y
Frederick Do 8 Y
Francis Do 4 Y
Sarah Do 11 Y
Eliza Do 1 Y
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Benjamin Merritt(?) 20 Plumber Y
Susan Do 20 Y
Susan Do 3 Y
Martha Do 1 Y
Benjamin Do 7 mon Y

[kiterunner]

I've not been able to find a marriage for Sarah Snr and husband John. I also have that a possible surname for Sarah is Williams but I think that may have come from the family that are trying to steal my Joseph (Sarah and John's son).

Anyway a possible marriage between a John Bridges and a Sarah Williams was found in Shropshire in 1828. I've since found the parish register for that marriage and traced that John and he died a few months after the marriage. So that marriage is not mine. Putting it here for future reference.

If you get Joseph's birth certificate it will give Sarah's maiden name. The dob on his baptism record is 9 Mar 1843. So his birth must be the one registered Apr-Jun 1843 Whitechapel, vol 2, p 537.

[Shona]

Joseph was baptised on 11 May 1845 at St Mary, Whitechapel. Sister Elizabeth was baptised at the same time. She was born on 4 July 1840. Their address was 26 Charlotte Court. Most of the baptisms on that page are of children whose parents lived in Charlotte Court. Father John was a labourer. No mother's maiden name given.

[Kit]

For anyone else who had trouble finding that 1871 census entry without logging into Australian ancestry

I'm sorry, I log into UK ancestry all the time and I'm not even sure I have an aussie sub.

Do you mean the burial, Toni? Her burial would only be in the PR's if it was a church burial but she was probably buried in a municipal cemetery at that date.

Yes I mean burial. I had thought she'd be with her husband and I have his burial in the PR's.

I assume you mean that you can't find this marriage in the parish registers, as you have already found it in the GRO index, Toni? Maybe they got married at the register office.

Yes, again. :)

If you get Joseph's birth certificate it will give Sarah's maiden name. The dob on his baptism record is 9 Mar 1843. So his birth must be the one registered Apr-Jun 1843 Whitechapel, vol 2, p 537.

I have a short cert for Joseph that I inherited, which matches the DOB on the baptism. I don't think I've bought the normal one but will do so.

Is there an RO that I should order through or would the GRO be the best?

[Merry]

I have a short cert for Joseph that I inherited, which matches the DOB on the baptism. I don't think I've bought the normal one but will do so.

Is there an RO that I should order through or would the GRO be the best?

I see that Tower Hamlets RO (who hold the Whitechapel registers) will produce FH certs, but if you are overseas the payment options are pretty unhelpful:

http://www.towerhamlets.gov.uk/lgnl/advice_and_benefits/births,_marriages_and_deaths/Copies_of_birth_marriage_and_death_certificates.as px

So I would say use the GRO.

I would also like to know what this means on that site:

Also available

Family Tree Scrolls are also available


??????? :confused:

[Kit]

I agree the payment options are unhelpful. It would be easier and possibly quicker to fly over myself.

A search of the site does not tell me what a family tree scroll is and as I am not ordering a certificate with them I wont be spending the 5 pounds to find out.

Thanks for the information, I'll order Sarah's death and Joseph's birth through the GRO.