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Hi all,
I am looking for this entry on Ancestry:
CLARK Mabel Amersham 3a 465
It's a DEC 1876 birth from FreeBMD. I'd like to add it as a source.
Is there a way to search by page and volume on Ancestry? I've not had to do it before, and I've not seen a box to search for them.
This is the second birth I've not been able to find on Ancestry. Has anyone else had any problems?
kiterunner
17-12-15, 22:13
This search form has volume and page on it for me but it may depend on your ancestry settings:
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=8912
kiterunner
17-12-15, 22:15
This is the page image on ancestry:
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/8912/ONS_B18764AZ-0355/37779637?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.u k%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3dFreeBMDBirth%26gss%3dsfs28_ms _r_db%26new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26MS_AdvCB%3d1%26gsln%3 dclark*%26gsln_x%3d1%26msbdm%3d12%26msbdm_x%3d1%26 msbdy%3d1876%26msbdy_x%3d1%26msbpn__ftp_x%3d1%26ms ypn__ftp_x%3d1%26MSAV%3d2%26uidh%3dvm5&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults#?imageId=ONS_B18764A Z-0354
Only the Clarkes on the page seem to be indexed, for some reason.
Thanks Kate.
This (http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&db=FreeBMDBirth&gss=angs-d&new=1&rank=1&gsfn=Mabel&gsfn_x=0&gsln=Clark&gsln_x=0&_F00056EC=3a&_F0005906=465&MSAV=1&uidh=yke&pcat=34&fh=0&h=37725141&recoff=7+8&ml_rpos=1) seems to be the record on Ancestry, but it's the wrong year and it's not Clark. Looks like a mistake to me, what do you think?
Should I report it?
EDIT: Posted this before your reply btw.
kiterunner
17-12-15, 22:19
Should I report it?
Certainly worth reporting it, but I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for them to correct it!
I've reported it. Thanks Kate. :)
I have a theory on this (which of course isn't necessarily right, but...) So remember the 800,000 births incorrectly indexed as 1915 by Ancestry ? Well they have gone, but does that mean they were corrected or just deleted ?
The data they get is from FreeBMD and yet there are wholesale omissions like those Kate pointed out. I found nearly 2000 missing Williams births between 1870 and 1880 for example. I did put this to a fairly senior Ancestry employee in a FB group I belong too which she admins, but her response was that FreeBMD provide them with periodic updates and any discrepancies were just down to a time lag.
We had a thread about the en masse errors in ancestry's version of the GRO index. When I saw this thread last night I was going to post a link to it, but then realised the first error mentioned in the other thread is now correct (it's a death reg not a birth though)
Well they have gone, but does that mean they were corrected or just deleted ?
The death I looked at last night was corrected. not just deleted from the wrong year. Here's a link to the thread:
http://www.genealogistsforum.co.uk/Forum/showthread.php?t=18291&highlight=ancestry+freebmd+errors
If we think all these mistakes (or large chunks of them) have been ironed out (at last lol) then I can EDIT the first post on the linked thread to reflect that. I won't delete the thread though!
Here's another one for you Merry, although it may be that the birth was never registered at all. Her birth doesn't appear on either Ancestry or FreeBMD, and I've attempted to work with different births and assume that perhaps she chose to go under a different name by the time she was a teenager, but I can't find anything to support that.
Ellen Fagence born c1855 Chertsey
This (http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=7619&h=5999360&ssrc=pt&tid=84918040&pid=30534424539&usePUB=true) is her on the 1871 census, along with her family. The surname has been mistranscribed, but if you view the image it is obviously meant to be Fagence.
From 1881 onwards she is married to James Turner, so appears as Ellen Turner.
Her marriage to James was in 1873, and is available to view here (http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=4779&h=7054805&ssrc=pt&tid=84918040&pid=30534424539&usePUB=true).
Her siblings from the 1871 census are:
Fagence William Chertsey 2a 23
Fagence Alfred Chertsey 2a 24
FAGENCE Jane Chertsey 2a 28
FAGENCE Martha Chertsey 2a 41
(Just search Fagence on FreeBMD and these will all appear near the top)
I wonder where Ellen is? Unreported at the time, or just 'missing' from the records? Mind you, I can't find her on the 1861 census, so...
kiterunner
18-12-15, 16:01
It says on that 1871 census entry that Ellen was born in Pyrford, not Chertsey. Is her birthplace Chertsey on other censuses, James?
Edit -Though I see that Pyrford was in Chertsey reg district anyway, so probably makes no difference to the search.
Well, I've searched both. Even with no location criteria nothing comes up for an Ellen Fagence.
kiterunner
18-12-15, 16:09
She was registered Jul-Sep 1856 Chertsey vol 2a p 22. FreeBMD has Fag*, Faq_nee and Fayence and it is Fayence on this image:
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/8912/ONS_B18563AF-1224/2906829?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk %2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3dfreebmdbirth%26so%3d2%26pcat% 3dROOT_CATEGORY%26gss%3dangs-g%26new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26msT%3d1%26gsfn%3dellen%26 gsfn_x%3d1%26gsln%3dfayence%26gsln_x%3d1%26mswpn__ ftp_x%3d1%26MSAV%3d2%26MS_AdvCB%3d1%26gskw_x%3d1%2 6_83004002_x%3d1%26cp%3d0%26catbucket%3drstp&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults
Haha, oh Kate, you always make me feel so inferior. :(
I spent ages trying to find that record!
Margaret in Burton
18-12-15, 16:22
Haha, oh Kate, you always make me feel so inferior. :(
I spent ages trying to find that record!
She has that effect on most of us James. She's brilliant isn't she.
Well, as usual the help is appreciated. If anyone can find her in 1861 then do please let me know, as I'm out of ideas!
kiterunner
18-12-15, 17:48
Have you found the rest of her family in 1861, James, or are they all missing?
kiterunner
18-12-15, 18:11
Found this on TNA - maybe she was in the missing bit:
Reference:RG 9/422
Description: Registration Sub-District 2 Chertsey.
Parish: Chertsey (3); Hamlet: Addlestone; Hamlet: Botleys; Hamlet: Lyne; Hamlet: Long Cross.
Parish: Byfleet.
Parish: Pyrford.
Note:Missing pages: Enumeration district 14: 5-17 (end) (309 persons)
Date: 1861
No, I've not found the family yet. Interesting that there are missing pages from that area, that could well be it then. I'll keep looking, though.
Thank you.
Something else I can't find, as it seems I have the wrong date by a year. Same name and location.
If you search FreeBMD for James Hale (b. Basingstoke) you'll get 1866 and 1867 births, 2c 164 and 2c 163 respectively. I previously had the 66 birth; I assumed his age on the 1939 register was a year out as I couldn't find an alternative birth index, but having found one on FreeBMD I think Ancestry is missing it.
I've tried a search (http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=FreeBMDBirth&gss=sfs28_ms_r_db&new=1&rank=1&gsfn=James&gsfn_x=0&gsln=Hale&gsln_x=0&msbdy=1867&_F00056EC=2c&_F0005906=164&MSAV=1&uidh=yke)using Kate's link above, and the 67 birth does seem to be missing.
Can anyone confirm this for me? Looks like something else that ought to be reported, assuming the 66 and 67 births are indeed different/legit.
Ancestry doesn't have any Births for Hale for Q3 1867. I haven't looked, but it's likely they don't have births for any of the names on the GRO page that includes the Hale births. The most likely reason is that this Q was not complete when FreeBMD sold their records to ancestry. It's a good reminder as I'm sure those of us with ancestry subs get lazy and use ancestry for bmd records, forgetting that there's a better level of accuracy on FreeBMD. I expect if you read through the thread I posed a link to (in post #8 above) I say somewhere "I never use ancestry for pre 1915 bmds and only ever use FreeBMD"!! Well, I know I often use ancestry now (laziness?!), so thanks for the reminder!
Good luck with getting ancestry to do anything about it.:D:D:D They have corrected some of the other large errors (by the look of it), but the linked thread is dated well over two years ago wasn't the first one we'd had on the issue.
Re your James Hale - did his month and date of birth work for the 1867 registration as well as the year?
I prefer freeBMD as its easier to search.
I've had problems with one record on ancestry - can't remember what it was now - but the year was out - think I did tell them but don't know if it was rectified.
I keep coming across these large blocks of missing names. I asked why there were more than 11,000 less births with the surname Thomas present in Ancestry's version of the index between 1870 and 1880 than in the FreeBMD original. The answer was "The FreeBMD collections were last updated on 14 June 2014. Since FreeBMD is an ongoing project, that is why you are seeing a discrepancy in the number of records."
I have a frozen master copy of my tree from 2013 on my PC that I'm not adding to, but using as information to build a new fully-sourced version. I'm coming across lots of births where I have the FreeBMD original recorded, but can't find them on Ancestry. Surely if they took an update from FreeBMD in 2014, they should be included ?
Very fishy.
I prefer freeBMD as its easier to search.
It is, but is missing a lot of records after about 1970. They do keep adding records, though.
Well, admittedly this query dates back a few months, but the correct 1867 birth entry for James Hale does now appear to be on Ancestry. It certainly wasn't at the time of my original query.
Name James Hale
Registration Year 1867
Registration Quarter Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district Basingstoke
Inferred County Hampshire
Volume 2c
Page 163
I'll see if some of the other missing stuff has been added.
FreeBMD does show the percentage of records it has onsite for each year. If you check it may be a lot higher given you,ve found your man.
Yeah, I'll check. Thanks, Julie.
I just checked Mabel Clark (from post #1) and her birth entry has also been fixed/added properly. IIRC at the time of my original query, it only appeared in an image linked to someone else and so couldn't be added as a source.
It's nice to know that some of these little mistakes do get fixed.
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