Missing from the Register!!!

[Phoenix]

Ethel and William Horne should be in Florida Road Shalford (Guildford RD)

tHEY ARE NOT. Anyone else missing folks?

I can only find the Dunsdons (at no 2) and the Standens.

[James18]

Are you searching by name or by address? When were they born, and when did they die? It's possible they are just closed by default, and so they won't appear on your search.

[Phoenix]

They were born in the 1890s, both dead by 1966. The Register does contain details of people under 100 who were dead by 2000.

The road should have at least 10 addresses.

This is from the electoral roll:

Ethel Mabel Horne 1938 Guildford 5 Florida Road

[Langley Vale Sue]

I can't find my maternal grandfather's mother. She should be in the SW18 area of London. I know she was still alive then as I have photos of her at my parents wedding in 1945!

I also can't find my maternal grandmother's mother who was also living in SW18. I know her address and the road is listed, but not her house number! I have photos of me with her at that address in the 1950s and have her on various pre-war electoral rolls at that address.

My mother is also not listed, although I know she was living with her parents (who are both listed) - also in SW18! Are the registers complete? Mum was born in 1924 and died in 1997, and I have found other relatives of a similar age to my Mum who have died within the past 20 years.

All these people have uncommon names and even just a surname search failed to find them.

[kiterunner]

Are the registers complete? Mum was born in 1924 and died in 1997, and I have found other relatives of a similar age to my Mum who have died within the past 20 years.


If you want to see the record of someone who was born after 1915 and died after 1991, you have to submit their death certificate as the records were only updated until 1991.

Also, apparently some people registered late and were not included on the National Register, but went straight on to the Central Register which we don't get to see.

[ElizabethHerts]

Ethel and William Horne should be in Florida Road Shalford (Guildford RD)

tHEY ARE NOT. Anyone else missing folks?

I can only find the Dunsdons (at no 2) and the Standens.

Just down the road from my grandparents! Shalford was their church and we attended quite a few weddings there - including ours!

I'll have a look, Phoenix.

[ElizabethHerts]

Is this them, Phoenix:

1939 Register Transcription (Preview)

Horne Household Guildford R.D., Surrey, England
First name(s) Last name(s) Birth year
Ethel M Horne 1891
1 more person on this record
2 more people who are officially closed

Ref: RG101/1948J/011/9

1939 Register Transcription (Preview)

Horne Household Guildford R.D., Surrey, England
First name(s) Last name(s) Birth year
William E Horne 1893
1 more person on this record
2 more people who are officially closed

Ref: RG101/1948J/011/8

[ElizabethHerts]

I wonder if there has been a mess-up in Guildford.

My grandparents lived in the Great Quarry (goes up from Shalford Road) in Guildford and I did a road search and my grandmother is not there and the house doesn't seem to be included. However, I found my grandmother and others at Guildford (without an address), so she was either not staying at home, which is odd, or the household has been attributed to the wrong address.

[JBee]

It makes you realise how many people have the same name as your rellies. I couldn't find my mother in the record well she had knocked a few years off her age lol and my dad's first name had been wrongly transcribed.

What I did was look for family members that might have been living with them and then I found them.

Are you supposed to report mistakes and if so how?

[Phoenix]

Thank you Elizabeth!

That's them, and by the looks of things in the right road - I think it's the next item from the Dunsdons. Wonder how Florida got spelled, then?

[kiterunner]

Are you supposed to report mistakes and if so how?

It seems you can only report errors if you have paid to "unlock" (i.e. view) the household and then you get an option if you click on "Update the record".

[Merry]

I wonder if there has been a mess-up in Guildford.



Well, there seem to be plenty of other mess-ups, so I don't see why Guildford should be excluded!! :rolleyes::D

[ElizabethHerts]

Too true, Merry!

[ElizabethHerts]

Bearing in mind what Phoenix said, I have revisited the people living in the Great Quarry. My grandmother doesn't show up.

However, I have this household from the Great Quarry:

1939 Register Transcription (Preview)

Holder Household Guildford M.B., Surrey, England
First name(s) Last name(s) Birth year
Arthur C Holder 1873
7 more people on this record
2 more people who are officially closed

Ref: RG101/1907F/002/35


My grandmother's reference was:
1939 Register Transcription (Preview)
Purkis Household Guildford M.B., Surrey, England
First name(s) Last name(s) Birth year
Muriel M Purkis 1892
1 more person on this record
3 more people who are officially closed
Ref: RG101/1907F/003/11

So it looks like the same road, but mistranscribed!

[JBee]

Thanks Kite

Not sure if I'll bother - by looking at the others under that reference I now know my Mum's brothers were there too.

One of which fought in the Spanish Civil War - so when did that end?

[Merry]

Thanks Kite

Not sure if I'll bother - by looking at the others under that reference I now know my Mum's brothers were there too.

One of which fought in the Spanish Civil War - so when did that end?

It ended in the first half of 1939.

[Margaret in Burton]

My uncle, mum's brother, died in 1978. I don't have his death cert. His entry is redacted. I've unlocked it, it includes my grandmother 1880-1973, one uncle 1909-1992, my aunt 1916-1990 and my mother 1923-1986.

I've read that the death information comes from pension records, NI records or NHS records at the time of death up until 1991.

Uncle was born in 1920 and died 1978, so no pension record. Could this be the reason he isn't listed as deceased?

[Merry]

Uncle was born in 1920 and died 1978, so no pension record. Could this be the reason he isn't listed as deceased?


That's a very, very good point, Marg. It would explain why my dad (1920-1971) isn't showing up, nor a load of other people I checked from my tree all of whom died before they reached retirement age.

[JBee]

Thanks Merry - just wish I could find anything about him during the Spanish Civil War.

[Olde Crone]

Not reaching pension age shouldn't be a reason. If someone suddenly stopped paying into the state pension system it couldn't be assumed they had died, there might have been all sorts of other reasons including emigration, long term illness and so on.

OC

[JayG]

I have 2 people born in the 1930's & died in the 1950's that appear in the register so not everyone who didn't reach pension age are redacted.

Edit - my own grandma died aged 58 in 1976 some I guess some deaths weren't updated on the register.

[Lindsay]

Just got around to looking at the 1939 Register. One set of grandparents are not showing up even though I know where they were - but hardly anyone shows up in their road, so there must be a problem with the street's records.

Interesting to see a couple of names I recognised though, neighbours of my grandparents who were still living there as late as the 1970s.

[Langley Vale Sue]

If you want to see the record of someone who was born after 1915 and died after 1991, you have to submit their death certificate as the records were only updated until 1991.

Also, apparently some people registered late and were not included on the National Register, but went straight on to the Central Register which we don't get to see.

My mother-in-law is listed and she was born in December 1916 and died in 2012

[kiterunner]

Does it show her date of birth correctly on the site, Sue? I found my great-aunt on there and she was born 1917 and died 2006, but they had transcribed her year of birth as 1912.

[JBee]

I've also found a dob down as 1902 instead of 1909.

Now wonder how someone would get on trying to get an entry unlocked with a death certificate giving a different date of birth???

[Langley Vale Sue]

Having looked again at my mother-in-law's entry I see her birth year is shown as 1914, the same as my father-in-law. I'm sure when I looked the other day that it was shown correctly as 1916!