If anyone is bored....

[HarrysMum]

This isn't urgent. I'm going to the beach tomorrow for five days....lol

I'm looking for a death for George Naylor.
He was born 21st May 1796, Yorkshire, son of George Naylor and Elizabeth (Eyre)
Baptised 14th June 1796, Congregational, Cleckheaton, Yorkshire.

His father died in 1806, but his will is dated 1803 and there is no mention of George. He does mention his daughter, Elizabeth, so presume George junior had died as a young child.

I can't find his burial at all. This is only of interest as I'm certain he did die young, but would be nice to have a date.

[kiterunner]

Is this another baptism for the same person? Liversedge is very close to Cleckheaton.

West Yorkshire Non Conformist Records (http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/2268/32356_259876-00384/159012?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk% 2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3dWYorkNonConformistBaptism%26g ss%3dsfs28_ms_r_db%26new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26MS_AdvCB %3d1%26gsfn%3dgeo*%26gsfn_x%3d1%26gsln%3dnayl*r%26 gsln_x%3d1%26msrpn__ftp_x%3d1%26msypn__ftp_x%3d1%2 6msfng_x%3d1%26msfns_x%3d1%26msmng_x%3d1%26msmns_x %3d1%26mssng0_x%3d1%26mssns0_x%3d1%26MSAV%3d2%26ui dh%3dvm5&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults)

George the son of George Naylor & Elizabeth his wife of Liversedge in the parish of Birstall was born June 1 & baptized June 20 1796 by John Ralph

[HarrysMum]

Sure looks like it. Very strange as my info was from the BMD non-parochial records.

[Merry]

There's this burial (Halifax is 5 miles from Cleckheaton)

Ancestry: England & Wales, Non-Conformist and Non-Parochial Registers, 1567-1970

1795
May 19 5 3 A child of George Naylor Halifax

The date is May 19 1795, but I'm not 100% sure if 5 3 refers to a sum of money or not. A stamp duty tax was brought in during the 1780s, but some of the numbers don't make sense to me if they are supposed to be shillings and pence, so I'll leave that for someone else to explain!! :D

[Merry]

There's also the following info in Ancestry's West Yorkshire, Non-Conformist Records, 1646-1985:

There's a death listed for someone in Sept 1795 and the next one isn't until Nov 1799. Between these entries there is the following written:

George Naylor Removed to Cleckheaton

There is no date alongside the entry.

So, was George jr buried in Halifax in May 1795 and then some time after Sept 1795 and before Nov 1799reburied in Cleckheaton? Of course the list seems to refer to deaths rather than burials which is why I'm not sure if I'm interpreting it correctly. Further down the same page is an entry for George sr:

Mr Naylor died February 1806

[HarrysMum]

George Naylor sen. And Elizabeth Eyre married in 1795. Two children, George and Elizabeth, 1796 and 1797. Mr Naylor died 1806. Mrs Naylor died 1830, from memory....not on computer.....but she died in Bristol.
Young Elizabeth married Myles Ariel and died in 1837. She was the first wife of Myles who had her will overturned and married Lucretia Clark, then dropped dead in 1840.

[kiterunner]

I looked at that "removed to Cleckheaton" entry last night, but I came to the conclusion that it meant he left that particular place of worship because he moved house, since there were some other people on the page who had left the church. I can't find it just now but will post it up in a minute.

The 19th May 1795 burial is down as Wm George Nailor or William George Nailor in ancestry's West Yorkshire parish registers and they have interpreted it as William, son of George Naylor, which looks to be correct going by the other entries on the pages. (Just realised it is 17th May 1795 in the PR's but presumably the same person?)
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/2256/32355_248983-00042/4428063?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk %2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3dwyorkpre1813%26so%3d2%26pcat% 3dROOT_CATEGORY%26gss%3dangs-g%26new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26msT%3d1%26gsfn%3dgeo*%26g sfn_x%3d1%26gsln%3dna*l*r%26gsln_x%3d1%26mswpn__ft p_x%3d1%26MSAV%3d2%26MS_AdvCB%3d1%26msddy%3d1795%2 6msddy_x%3d1%26msddp%3d2%26msdpn__ftp_x%3d1%26gskw _x%3d1%26_83004002_x%3d1%26cpxt%3d1%26cp%3d11%26ca tbucket%3drstp&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/2256/32355_248972-00147/9325324?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk %2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3dwyorkpre1813%26so%3d2%26pcat% 3dROOT_CATEGORY%26gss%3dangs-g%26new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26msT%3d1%26gsfn%3dgeo*%26g sfn_x%3d1%26gsln%3dna*l*r%26gsln_x%3d1%26mswpn__ft p_x%3d1%26MSAV%3d2%26MS_AdvCB%3d1%26msddy%3d1795%2 6msddy_x%3d1%26msddp%3d2%26msdpn__ftp_x%3d1%26gskw _x%3d1%26_83004002_x%3d1%26cpxt%3d1%26cp%3d11%26ca tbucket%3drstp&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults

[kiterunner]

Oh yes, here it is in the West Yorkshire Non-Conformist records:
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/2268/32356_259808-00494/192394?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk% 2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3dwyorknonconformistbaptism%26s o%3d2%26pcat%3d34%26gss%3dangs-c%26new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26msT%3d1%26gsfn%3dgeo*%26g sfn_x%3d1%26gsln%3dna*l*r%26gsln_x%3d1%26mswpn__ft p_x%3d1%26MSAV%3d2%26MS_AdvCB%3d1%26msddy%3d1795%2 6msddy_x%3d1%26msddp%3d2%26msdpn__ftp_x%3d1%26gskw _x%3d1%26_83004002_x%3d1%26cpxt%3d1%26cp%3d11%26ca tbucket%3drstp&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults

George Naylor Removed to Cleckheaton

Then a couple of lines later are William Shaw and Grace Shaw, Seperated from the Church from Self interest & because they were reproved, Apr 1800.

So I take it that this is a list of people lost from their congregation, whether by death or other means.

[Merry]

George Naylor Removed to Cleckheaton

So this might refer to George sr.

[HarrysMum]

I can't access my computer info at the moment, but I remember reading about a new non con church opening in the area. George Naylor lived at Marsh House and we haven't found exactly where that is, although various records say near Liversedge or at Cleckheaton. It was a fairly large holding.
The wedding was in St Peters.
The daughter, Elizabeth, married in 1815 at St Johns York.....then moved to Bristol. Her mother moved there at some stage as well, as that's where she died.

[Merry]

I think I've worked out where the correct Marsh House was.

The 1881 and 1911 censuses suggest it was close to Py(e)not Hall, later Py(e)not Lane in Cleckheaton. In 1911 it is stated to have 9 rooms including the kitchen but not including most other smaller rooms such as scullery or hallways etc. In 1881 an immediate neighbour at Pynot Hall is Frank Blackburn 41, Card Manager. If you google Pyenot Hall card works (cards used in the cloth making industry) you will find loads of aerial (lol!!) views of the cardworks and various articles about it's history (not all matching with dates etc!)

I came across this site:

http://dawnrobinsonphotography.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/interesting-local-history.html

which has a photo of Pynot Hall (says 1785 underneath without pointing out that the building must have be remodeled at some point as those are not 18thC windows!) and a long story about the missing lion. Dawn says she looked at archives of the Spenborough Guardian and I wondered if she had come across anything about Marsh House when she did her research. Might be worth contacting her.


Pyenot Hall Ln, Cleckheaton, West Yorkshire BD19 5BA appears on Googlemaps so you can see roughly where Marsh House probably was.

[Merry]

There's also quite a few mentions of a family called Birkby in connection with the Card Works and people of that name are listed on the electoral roll for Marsh House Liversedge on Ancestry.

EDIT there are other (very long!) threads on here mentioning the Birkby family from before the e-rolls were available online.

[Merry]

Marsh House shows up on this map (I zoomed it at 400% which was blurry, but just readable) towards the top, centre, to the west of the gas works and east of the railway line.

http://www.oldtowns.co.uk/Mapshop_Yorkshire/GenSheets/232-9-1894.htm

[Merry]

I wonder if there's a photo in this book which is for sale in Australia!

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-Spen-Valley-Cleckheaton-Heckmondwike-Liversedge-and-Gomersal-by-Norman-El-/141330996811?hash=item20e7fbde4b

[Mary from Italy]

We seem to have done this before:

http://www.genealogistsforum.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=13223&highlight=marsh&page=12

I said on the old thread:

it looks as though there were two Marsh Houses: one in Gomersal and one in Cleckheaton.

The one in Cleckheaton was slightly to the south-west of Syke Fold: roughly where Marsh Street is now, by the look of it:


EDIT: that should read south-east, sorry.

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7004/6821193649_c730907b69_z.jpg

And the one in Gomersal was between Nibshaw Lane and St. Mary's Church: roughly where Butts Hill is now:


https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7009/6821193643_84cc5aaf67_z.jpg

[Merry]

lol thanks Mary - I got carried away because Libby said "George Naylor lived at Marsh House and we haven't found exactly where that is" and I didn't remember the old thread (as I presume Libby didn't either!!)