George Buie

[kiterunner]

Name - "official" name and what they were known as George Buie
Date and place of birth Don't know
Names of parents Don't know
Date and place of baptism - if applicable Not found
Details of each of his or her marriages - if any 7 Aug 1728 St Mary Magdalene, Bermondsey, to Elizabeth Bolton
Occupation(s) - if any Drayman, Labourer, Brewer
Addresses where they lived (including county if in UK) - and please list which censuses you have or haven't found him/her on (if s/he lived in census times!). Southwark, London
Date, place and cause of death Don't know
Date and place of burial. Not found
Details of will / administration of their estate - if applicable Not found
Memorial inscription - if any Not found

Link to daughter's thread:
http://www.genealogistsforum.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=18016

George probably died between the baptism of his daughter Isabella 2 Feb 1745 and the apprenticeship binding of his son Samuel 5 Apr 1753 where he is described as "late of St Olaves Southwark brewer". He is "deceased" on Samuel's freedom.

Of course the name Buie is always mistranscribed on everything!

[ElizabethHerts]

That's an unusual surname, Kate. I thought it sounded French, but I googled and found it is Scottish, which figures.


Buie Name Meaning
Scottish: nickname from Gaelic buidhe ‘yellow’, ‘fair-haired’. See also Bowie.

[ElizabethHerts]

Scotlands People have 8 matches for George Buie born between 1685 and 1710.

[ElizabethHerts]

London Lives has something on George Buie's son Samuel:

http://www.londonlives.org/browse.jsp?div=GLCCMC25101MC251010143

[kiterunner]

Yes, I've seen that before, Elizabeth, thanks.

[kiterunner]

The children I have listed for George and Elizabeth are:
Mary baptised 8 Jan 1732 St Olave, Southwark
Sarah baptised 9 Nov 1735 St Olave, Southwark
George baptised 7 Mar 1739 St Olave, Southwark
Samuel baptised 17 Oct 1742 St Olave, Southwark
Isabella baptised 2 Feb 1745 St Olave, Southwark

These are taken from FamilySearch because ancestry doesn't have PR or BT images for St Olave for that period. But I should think there are probably one or two children before Mary as George and Elizabeth got married in 1728.

But I've just found the baptism of an Elizabeth, born 23 Nov, baptised 29 Nov 1748 at St Mary Magdalene Bermondsey, daughter of George and Elizabeth Byer, victualler, Bermondsey Street. I wonder whether this is the same family?

[kiterunner]

Hmm, I had the burial of George Buie, infant, 6 Jun 1747 at St Saviour, Southwark, down as the one who was baptised 7 Mar 1739 (see post #6 above) but now I see there is a George, son of George Byer, a baker, and Elizabeth, baptised 14 Mar 1746 at St Saviour Southwark. So is this the same family, in which case the first George jr must have died before this one was baptised, and the Jun 1747 burial is the second George jr? Or are the Byers a different family from the Buies?

Edit: there is a George Byer, infant, buried 16 Apr 1746, also at St Saviour Southwark, so it looks as though they are a different family from the Buies.

[kiterunner]

Possibly a relative, found in the London Clandestine Marriage Registers:
10 May 1745
James Buie of St Giles in the Fields, Batchr, Brewer's Servant, and Jane / Jean Watt of St Olives Southwark spinster.

[kiterunner]

James Buie and Jean Watt had children baptised in Elgin, Morayshire, Scotland, named Margaret, Andrew and Jennet, so I think James is the one baptised 19 May 1719 in Elgin, son of Andrew Buie and Janet Anderson, but they don't seem to have had a son called George.
There is an Andrew Buie, maltman, listed in the wills and inventories on SP at Elgin in 1753, husband of a Margaret whose will is listed in 1767. They had a daughter Helen baptised in 1744. Now I'm wondering whether this Andrew is a son of Andrew and Janet whose baptism I haven't found, or is he the same Andrew with a second wife? I may end up buying more credits to view the will and find out, but the link with George is pretty tenuous at the moment.
Note to self: on ancestry's "extracted probate records" database, the Elgin Buies are listed as "Buie or Buy".

Scotlands People have 8 matches for George Buie born between 1685 and 1710. How did you find those, Elizabeth? I am only getting two between 1660 and 1713 with surname variants selected. And there aren't many on FamilySearch either.

[ElizabethHerts]

I don't know if I can replicate the search, Kate - off to look!

[ElizabethHerts]

Well, I got the same result. Traditional Soundex for surname, but then it said forenames beginning with, so I should have narrowed down the Christian name.

I switched to traditional soundex for the Christian name and got 11 hits! I'm not sure how that happened. It should have been less, surely.

[kiterunner]

Thanks, Elizabeth. I hadn't thought of using Soundex. Most of them are Bowies.

[kiterunner]

There was a George Buie in Elgin with a wife Margaret Cumming, and they had a son John baptised 11 Jan 1715. I wonder whether they had any children before him? Perhaps they're my George's parents. Edit - having looked on SP, this George was a maltman and also had a daughter Margaret in 1716 (surname spelt Bwie) but I couldn't find a George jr.

Also a George and Isobel Buy in Elgin had daughters Helen 27 Nov 1705 and Isobel 21 Dec 1708. Maybe the same George as above with a previous wife?

[kiterunner]

I had a look at the testament dative and inventory of Andrew Buie, maltman, of Elgin, 1753, but the only family members mentioned are James Buie his son and Margaret Mitchell his wife.

[kiterunner]

I think James Bowie in this is the James Buie in post #8, though of course it doesn't show whether he was related to my George:

The Annual Register 1761
The following very melancholy accident lately happened at Elgin in Scotland: One Harvie, a journeyman dyer, having bought of William Fraser, merchant, some gunpoweder, Harvie, to try the powder, loaded a pistol in the shop, with an intention to fire it. At the very instant he was about to fire, one James Finlay came into the shop, and called out to him to stop, as he knew a barrel of gunpowder was just by them; but his alarm unhappily came too late; the pistol flashed in the pan, and a spark flew into the cask, which contained about forty pounds weight, and which instantly blew up, and brought down the whole tenement. Finlay and Harvie were miraculously preserved, but Fraser the owner of the shop was killed by the explosion, which burst out at the door and windows, and carried the lintel stones of both to the opposite side of the street. The most shocking part of this fatal affair was, that Laurence Calder, merchant, James Bowie, maltman, James Grant, taylor, John Adam, and James Ross, being in the shade at the door of the shop, were carried off with such impetuosity, that Bowie and Grant were dashed to pieces, and killed against the walls of the houses on the opposite side of the street. They were found quite dead, and almost naked, their cloaths being almost entirely burnt off them. Calder was found alive, in the most dismal condition... he expired in a few hours. Ross is yet alive, but his recovery uncertain. It can hardly be accounted for, how Finlay and Harvie were preserved within the shop; but certain it is, they too likewise must have perished, had not the town's people, at the hazard of their lives, from the broken and tottering walls, dug them from beneath the rubbish, and in that manner saved their lives.

[kiterunner]

I found out yesterday that the PR's for St Olave, Southwark, were available on FamilySearch, and I viewed the baptisms for George Buie's children, and looked through the burials from 1745 to Apr 1753 but didn't find George's burial. Then I saw that the apprenticeship records for his son Samuel are actually dated Apr 1757, not 1753, so I thought I would go through the burials for 1753 to 1757 today, as it was quite late last night, but now the images on FamilySearch are back to being locked again and I would have to go to a FamilySearch centre.

I guess I was just lucky yesterday!

[kiterunner]

The images for St Olave Southwark are available on FamilySearch again today, so I looked at the burials up to Apr 1757 but didn't find him. The nearest I found was a George Buyly.