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ElizabethHerts
30-06-15, 18:52
http://search.findmypast.co.uk/record/browse?id=tna%2fccc%2fho77%2f027%2f00125


I believe this is my 3x-great-grandfather, who also called himself by the name of Pond, and sometimes William, sometimes Henry, sometimes both.

Is there any record of him in Australia, please?

kiterunner
30-06-15, 19:02
1828 NSW census
No 1586, Bond Wm Henry, age 52, ship Elizabeth 2, year 1820, employment Ho' Servant, A?? Mackenzie, George St, Sydney.

http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/1224/41711_330416-00107/?backlabel=ReturnBrowsing#?imageId=41711_330416-00107

kiterunner
30-06-15, 19:09
And the NSW Colonial Secretary's Papers of 1823 show him assigned to Jos Moore, Cumberland St:
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/1905/32086_228380__0001-00016/?backlabel=ReturnBrowsing

ElizabethHerts
30-06-15, 19:14
Wow, thanks, Kate. I knew his son was in trouble with the law, but not him.

ElizabethHerts
30-06-15, 19:16
I don't have worldwide Ancestry so I can't see the images.

kiterunner
30-06-15, 19:17
NSW BDM lists a William Bond death in 1862 in Sydney, age 86, but it doesn't give parents' names.

kiterunner
30-06-15, 19:17
I don't have worldwide Ancestry so I can't see the images.

There isn't much more than I transcribed.

ElizabethHerts
04-07-15, 07:42
NSW BDM lists a William Bond death in 1862 in Sydney, age 86, but it doesn't give parents' names.

If I bought the certificate would it tell me them?

kiterunner
04-07-15, 09:09
If I bought the certificate would it tell me them?

Because they aren't shown on the index, I shouldn't think they are on the certificate either. Probably the informant didn't know the names. There might be other useful information on the cert though.

ElizabethHerts
04-07-15, 09:21
Thanks, Kate. I do have a NSW death certificate for a great-great uncle and that was useful, but mistakes on it as the informant obviously didn't know enough about him.

Mary from Italy
04-07-15, 16:49
The cert should give his age, birthplace, occupation, and how long he'd been in the colony, if the informant was aware of it.

ElizabethHerts
04-07-15, 17:14
Thanks, Mary. I think I shall have to order it.

marquette
04-07-15, 22:06
NSW State Records indexes show that he received a Ticket of Leave in 1823. You can get a copy from them, but I think they are online also somewhere (ie ancestry or findmypast, but its a while since I have done convict research).

There's a second death registration entry (with the V prefix) which will be his burial record - but that information should also be on his death cert. so don't get that one. You can use NSW transcription agent for faster reply than the official website, there are 3 listed on the NSW BDM website.


Di

ElizabethHerts
05-07-15, 07:16
Thanks, Di. That is all very useful information.

ElizabethHerts
05-07-15, 07:34
Hmm, the ticket of leave is interesting. The last column is perplexing me with the remarks:

http://srwww.records.nsw.gov.au/indexsearch/searchhits.aspx?table=Convict%20Index&ID=65&query=William%20Bond&frm=0

District: Bathurst; Born: Mildon hill; Trade: Labourer; Tried: MGD

kiterunner
05-07-15, 09:45
The NSW Tickets of Leave on ancestry start in 1824, so we can't check the image on there. :(

Mary from Italy
05-07-15, 13:05
MGD stands for Middlesex Gaol Delivery.

Mary from Italy
05-07-15, 13:11
At the time of the 1822 general convict muster he was GS (general servant?) to Mr Williamson, Parramatta.

ElizabethHerts
05-07-15, 13:41
At the time of the 1822 general convict muster he was GS (general servant?) to Mr Williamson, Parramatta.

Mary, he wasn't deported from England until 1823:


Name: William Henry Bond
Event Date: 18 Jul 1823
Vessel: Elizabeth
Event Description: On list of prisoners assigned
Comments: Per "Elizabeth"
Page: 11


I'm wondering if there is another chap with the same name, dropping "Henry". It could be confusing. :(

tenterfieldjulie
05-07-15, 13:54
There were a number of Bonds on that page Elizabeth and they give their year of transportation and the vessel.

tenterfieldjulie
05-07-15, 14:01
Elizabeth I thought he was tried in 1819 and came out in 1820. I can look at the microfische at the library tomorrow.

Mary from Italy
05-07-15, 14:02
Mary, he wasn't deported from England until 1823:

No, the voyage date was August 1820, and the only William Bond sentenced in 1819 who was on that ship appears to be William Henry:

http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/1180/IMAUS1787C_114258-00625/?pid=105920

The 1822 general convict muster refers to a William Bond transported on the Elizabeth and sentenced to life:

http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/1185/IMAUS1787_114234-00626/?pid=285635

The list of prisoners assigned just tells you who he was assigned to in 1823; that wasn't the year of the voyage.

Mary from Italy
05-07-15, 14:04
Julie, if you have access to the image of the ticket of leave, that would be useful, because Mildon Hill doesn't appear to exist as far as I can see.

tenterfieldjulie
05-07-15, 14:07
I'll have a look at the State Archives Microfilm at the Library tomorrow at Reel 920 and hope that Mr. Bond jumps out at me. Sometimes the Reels are not numbered properly.. let's hope this one is. It will be interesting to see if I can decipher Mildon Hill...

Mary from Italy
05-07-15, 14:15
If not, Elizabeth can order a copy from the NSW archives for AUS$15.00.

I'm surprised he got his ticket of leave in 1823; as I understand it, lifers were supposed to serve 8 years before being eligible.

tenterfieldjulie
05-07-15, 14:18
He must have done someone in authority a good turn .. I wonder who he was employed by? If he was in Parramatta it might have been a Govt. Official.

Mary from Italy
05-07-15, 14:19
Oh, looking at the other people in the index, as the ticket of leave is numbered 34/237, it was probably issued in 1834, which makes more sense. But in that case the index suggests that he was transported on the Elizabeth in 1823, whereas I can't find a William Bond transported in that year. Let's hope the image clarifies it!

ElizabethHerts
05-07-15, 14:23
It's all rather confusing! I have started to put everything in chronological order, but I'll have to look again.

tenterfieldjulie
05-07-15, 15:01
I wouldn't be too impressed by the numbers. I think he came in 1820 .. He was assigned to James Williamson Esq at Parramatta who was the Commisariat at Parramatta from 1803 and died in 1826, he arrived with Governor Hunter as his private secretary, which could account for William Bond getting his ticket of leave early, it often was more important who you knew than anything else. I think Mr. Bond may have fallen on his feet..

By 1822 James Williamson esq is trying to sell his farm - Found on Trove:
"The Sydney Gazette and New South Wales Advertiser (NSW : 1803 - 1842) Friday 27 December 1822
TO be LET on Lease, for such a term of years as shall be agreed on, but not less than five years, that elegant FARM called Dungarthill Place, in the District of Cabramatta, within 7 miles of Liverpool, and 17 of Parramatta; containing above eight hundred acres of land, nearly one hundred and forty acres of fallen timber, about forty-five acres of that fenced in, with a four-rail fence, and sub divided into 10, 7, 3, and 2 acre paddocks, and most of them stumpt. This Farm, in the driest season, is never without great abundance of fine fresh, water, and is looked upon as one of the best Farms, in this Country for a Stock Farm. Entry to be had on the first day of January, 1823, or as early as possible after. Application to be made to Mr. J. Williamson, Parramatta.

The Sydney Gazette and New South Wales Advertiser (NSW : 1803 - 1842) Saturday 25 February 1826
DIED. On the 15th instant, at Parramatta, after a short but severe illness of ten days, Mr. James Williamson, who has been a resident in the Colony nearly thirty-one years. He arrived with Governor Hunter as his Private Secretary, and afterwards held the situation of Deputy Assistant Commissary General for a number of years.

The Sydney Gazette and New South Wales Advertiser (NSW : 1803 - 1842) Saturday 25 February 1826
In the early part of last week, the funeral of that respected old inhabitant, James Williamson, Esq. look place in the Town of Parramatta. In the early stages of this country, Mr. Williamson was an active and zealous Officer in the Commissariat Department. The deceased was followed to the grave by a vast assemblage of highly respectable friends."

I wonder if William Bond was one of his highly respectable friends:D

tenterfieldjulie
05-07-15, 15:12
William Henry Bond sailed on the Elizabeth on 11/8/1820, arrived NSW 31/12/1820. Joint Copying Reel 88 - Ref HO11/3 P367 (185)

ElizabethHerts
05-07-15, 15:12
I wonder if William Bond was one of his highly respectable friends:D

Well, his son and my 2x-great-grandfather (convicted for stealing aged 14 but sent to a Refuge) had the temerity to call himself a Gentleman! My Mum always did laugh at that.

tenterfieldjulie
05-07-15, 15:15
Elizabeth where was your 2x grt gfather born? It might be worth looking at James Williamson's will to see if William Bond received anything from his estate?

ElizabethHerts
05-07-15, 15:25
My 2x-great-grandfather, Henry William Pond, was born at Bishopsgate, sometimes given as Broad Street according to the censuses.

Name: Henry William Pond
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 20 Apr 1808
Baptism Date: 23 Dec 1808
Baptism Place: St. Botolph Bishopsgate, London, England
Father: Henry
Mother: Mary
FHL Film Number: 568018
Reference ID: item 2

Here his father calls himself Henry Pond. Henry Pond is alias William Henry Bond and he is the one deported.


First name(s) William Henry
Last name Bond Or Pond
Occupation Coachman
Age 40
Birth year 1779
Year 1819
Date 24 Sep 1819
Place Middlesex
Crime Stealing
Sentence type -
Sentence duration -
Victim's first name(s) John
Victim's last name Cator
Series HO77
Source Newgate Prison Calendar
Piece number 26
Record set England & Wales, Crime, Prisons & Punishment, 1770-1935

However, I haven't got a birth/christening for him and I don't know who his parents were.

tenterfieldjulie
05-07-15, 15:34
What I am wondering is did Mr. W.H. Bond go back to England from Australia?

ElizabethHerts
05-07-15, 15:47
I suppose I had better take a look at the censuses, Julie.

kiterunner
05-07-15, 16:35
Now I know the Ticket of Leave is 1834, here it is on ancestry, surname transcribed as "Boud??" (I will put in a correction).

http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/1781/32084_223202-00855/?pid=16951

ElizabethHerts
05-07-15, 16:40
Now I know the Ticket of Leave is 1834, here it is on ancestry, surname transcribed as "Boud??" (I will put in a correction).

http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/1781/32084_223202-00855/?pid=16951

Thanks, Kate.

kiterunner
05-07-15, 16:43
TICKET OF LEAVE
No 34/237 26 April 1834
Name: William Henry Bond
Ship: Elizabeth (3)
Master: Ostler
Year: 1820
Native Place: Mildonhill
Trade or Calling: Laborer
Place of Trial: Middlesex ?? (could be GD but could be GS = General Session or maybe something else)
Date of Trial: 15 September 1819
Sentence: Life
Year of Birth: 1774
Height: 5 feet 2 & 1/2 Inches
Complexion: Ruddy
Hair: Brown
Eyes: Blue
Allowed to remain in the District of Bathurst
On recommendation of do Bench
Dated 31 May 1833

Written in margin: Cancelled 12 Sep 1850 - (not managed to decipher the rest of it yet as it is very faint).

kiterunner
05-07-15, 16:44
The closest place name I can think of to Mildonhill is Mildenhall in Suffolk.

kiterunner
05-07-15, 16:52
Can anyone else decipher the words in the margin?

kiterunner
05-07-15, 16:58
Well, this must be the same info that was in the margin:
New South Wales Government Gazette
Fri 22 Nov 1850 (image no 6)
The Tickets of Leave of the undermentioned Prisoners of the Crown, have been cancelled for being absent from their Districts, they are illegally at large:-
BATHURST
William Henry Bond, Elizabeth 3.

http://gazette.slv.vic.gov.au/images/1850/N/general/134.pdf

ElizabethHerts
05-07-15, 17:00
Thanks so much for that, Kate. Unfortunately I don't have Worldwide Ancestry so I can't see the image.

I can't get over how small he was. His grand-daughter was an elegant, tall lady with a large bust!

kiterunner
05-07-15, 17:01
Thanks so much for that, Kate. Unfortunately I don't have Worldwide Ancestry so I can't see the image.



That's why I was transcribing it for you, Elizabeth.

ElizabethHerts
05-07-15, 17:21
That's why I was transcribing it for you, Elizabeth.

Yes, I realise that, Kate. It is greatly appreciated.

We have visitors coming for three days and I keep popping back here, but I can't keep up! I'm playing catch-up at the moment.

Mary from Italy
05-07-15, 17:52
I wonder if this is the same man? No idea what "transported for life" means when he was already in Aus; presumably to a penal settlement.

Bathurst Quarter Sessions, 1834

Hugh Canniffe, John Ryan, and William Bond, charged with feloniously slaughtering cattle; were found guilty. Transported for life.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/12850993?searchTerm=%22william%20bond%22%20AND%20b athurst&searchLimits=sortby=dateAsc

tenterfieldjulie
06-07-15, 00:49
I wonder if that was his death, William Bond at Albury in 1856? There was a gold rush at Albury at the time and he could have been chasing gold, especially if he came from Bathurst. He did live to be a good age though .. dying in 1856 would have made him 82. No other details on the index, so from the death cert you would probably only get exact date, who gave the information and what he died from. It does put him a likely place at the right time, especially as he had his TL cancelled in 1850. I bought a death cert from a convict ancestor of Peter's and the family didn't want to acknowledge his convict past, so it told me very little and his name was the name he was know by, not his actual name. Convict families often tried to hide their past. The name he was charged under was Cornelius Cowan, in Australia, he was buried as James Cohen..

ElizabethHerts
06-07-15, 07:08
I'll make a note of that death, Julie.

Two little questions I have been asking myself overnight:

1. Did William Henry Bond have any contact with his family in England after he went to Australia? He signed the register when he married Mary Plowright in 1805, and so did she, so he had some degree of education.

2. I have revisited the marriage certificate of my 2x-great-grandparents in 1859. The father of Henry William Bond is given as Henry William Bond, Horse Dealer. In England he was a Coachman. I wonder if he became a horse dealer in Australia?

ElizabethHerts
07-07-15, 20:20
Just look what my clever daughter found:

http://search.ancestry.co.uk//cgi-bin/sse.dll?gss=angs-c&new=1&rank=1&msT=1&MS_AdvCB=1&gsfn=william&gsfn_x=NP_NN_NIC&gsln=plowright&gsln_x=NS&msdpn__ftp_x=1&msrpn__ftp_x=1&msypn__ftp_x=1&cp=0&MSAV=2&uidh=xt1&pcat=CLP_WILLS&h=354839&recoff=8+9&db=LondWills&indiv=1&ml_rpos=2

Name: William Plowright
Probate Date: 16 Oct 1829
Parish: St Leonard Shoreditch
County: Middlesex

"my daughter Mary Pond" - page 2


Now to find some more information!!

ElizabethHerts
07-07-15, 20:48
And another!

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?uidh=000&rank=1&new=1&msT=1&gsln=Plowright&MSAV=1&cp=0&cpxt=0&catBucket=rstp&sbo=t&gsbco=Sweden&noredir=true&gss=angs-c&pcat=36&h=374072&recoff=8&db=LondWills&indiv=1&ml_rpos=1

Name: Hannah Plowright
Probate Date: 15 Jan 1855
Parish: St Marylebone
County: Middlesex

Mary from Italy
07-07-15, 21:37
There's a burial for William Plowright of Whitemore Road, Hoxton on 20/9/1829, aged 80:

http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/1559/31280_197919-00014/?pid=9410518

who might be the father of the Mary Plowright who married William Henry Bond/Pond in 1805, although in his will (dated 1828) he says she's "out at service" and refers to "any husband with whom she may intermarry".

ElizabethHerts
07-07-15, 22:05
It is definitely Mary's father, Mary. He refers to her as "widow" which is understandable given that her husband was transported to Australia.

The will of Hannah Plowright names her Pond nephews and the son of her nephew John Plowright - John Plowright Bond.

I have found a Plowright family being baptised in Hockely, Essex, which looks promising. The eldest son is called Herod, an unusual name.

ElizabethHerts
07-07-15, 22:06
There's a burial for William Plowright of Whitemore Road, Hoxton on 20/9/1829, aged 80:

http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/1559/31280_197919-00014/?pid=9410518

who might be the father of the Mary Plowright who married William Henry Bond/Pond in 1805, although in his will (dated 1828) he says she's "out at service" and refers to "any husband with whom she may intermarry".

I found that burial too, Mary.

We have a visitor at the moment. I really must go to bed as we have a busy day tomorrow, but I'm very torn!