Seeking help with marriage of Thomas HOLDEN

[KathThom75]

I'm having trouble with a certain pair of my 4x great grandparents, and I asked about them in a Facebook group and was told to come to this forum.
So, here is what I know so far, precious little I know, but it's all that I've been able to find out in about 3 years of research.

Husband: Thomas HOLDEN
Wife: Anne / Ann (unknown maiden name)
Marriage Date: (unknown)
Marriage Location: Suspect Uxbridge, Middlesex
Children: Mary, Elizabeth, Thomas, John, Eliza and William
Children all Baptised at St Margaret's Uxbridge between 1795 and 1806
Children who have been located in census records have ages consistent with Baptism years
Father's occupation: Labourer in 1803, as recorded on Eliza's baptism.

My main two questions are
When and where did Thomas and Anne get married?
And what was Anne's maiden name?

I have access to World Ancestry, but no other subscription site.

Many thanks

[kiterunner]

Welcome! This is certainly the right place for help with Holdens, although our Holden expert specialises in the Lancashire ones.

There is this possible for Ann on the 1841 census:
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/8978/MDXHO107_654_656-0377/?pid=6937740
Cottages at(?) Tile Kilns
Ann Holding 80 N
Thos Allum 15 Ag Lab Y

[kiterunner]

Burial at St Margaret, Uxbridge, 26 Feb 1845: Ann Holden, age 83, abode Uxbridge.
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/1559/31280_198900-00028/?pid=9635443

If this is the right Ann, and if her age is correct, they may have had some children before they moved to Uxbridge as she would have been in her thirties by 1795.

[kiterunner]

Oh, or there is another Ann Holden burial there 13 Jan 1837, age 58, abode Uxbridge.
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/1559/31280_198902-00099/?pid=9630516

And an Ann Holding buried 8 Jan 1815, age 42, abode Uxbridge:
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/1559/31280_198902-00015/?pid=9631423

So, lots of possible burials for Ann, but I haven't found any for Thomas yet.

[Phoenix]

Very odd. Marriages on Ancestry start post 1840. It's an ancient church (I think we visited last year - if so, it has been reordered so altar faces west)

London Metropolitan Archives may indicate whether the earlier registers survive. I can't imagine that the current church would have any interest in keeping them, and in their absence, I don't know whether there are any bts - Surrey has none pre 1800.

[Mary from Italy]

Uxbridge marriages for that period don't appear to be online.

There's a marriage in Marylebone in 1780 for Thomas Holden and Ann Young; I wonder if that might be a possibility?

http://freereg2.freereg.org.uk/search_records/5510eb70e937907e5f01e416?search_id=558c3cd433045b8 eb90009cb

[kiterunner]

According to the National Archives' information about St John the Baptist, Hillingdon, "A chapel dedicated to St Margaret was built in Uxbridge before 1248. The building was rebuilt and enlarged over subsequent centuries. St Margaret's became a separate parish in 1842 (see DRO/10)."

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/rd/cd21cd48-121b-4dbd-9037-d4e195df5c4d

[Mary from Italy]

There is this possible for Ann on the 1841 census:
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/8978/MDXHO107_654_656-0377/?pid=6937740
Cottages at(?) Tile Kilns
Ann Holding 80 N
Thos Allum 15 Ag Lab Y

If that's the right Ann, she wasn't born in Middlesex, so maybe not married there either.

[kiterunner]

In ancestry's London Marriages and Banns database, they have a page supposed to be from 1800 which says "Uxbridge. NB no marriages solemnized at Uxbridge, see Hillingdon":
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/1623/31547_212647-00140/?backlabel=ReturnBrowsing

[borobabs]

See you found site Kath brilliant lasses on here

[kiterunner]

There is a Thomas Holden death registered Oct-Dec 1837 at Uxbridge, vol 3, page 246. I can't find a corresponding burial to check his age at death. You could order a copy of the death certificate (if you haven't done this already) in case it is your Thomas?

[Merry]

There is a Thomas Holden death registered Oct-Dec 1837 at Uxbridge, vol 3, page 246. I can't find a corresponding burial to check his age at death. You could order a copy of the death certificate (if you haven't done this already) in case it is your Thomas?

for what it's worth. I had a look for burials for the other people on that GRO page. Didn't find a burial for any of them.

[KathThom75]

Apologies for the delay in coming back and thus the delay in my reply - life took over and I misplaced the link to the forums.

Many thanks for the leads and information you have found - certainly some leads for me to work on and hopefully progress with.

[KathThom75]

Have located the parish register for the marriage of Thomas Holden and Anne Young on Ancestry - http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/1623/31280_194668-00184/1893321
Appears they both signed their names.

Working from that, and given that St Marylebone and Uxbridge are just 16 miles or 6 hours walk from each other, and this make the two locations very plausible for job relocation within a 15 year time frame...

There is a baptism at St Marylebone in November of 1780 of a Thomas Holden, son of Thomas and Ann - https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JMNR-G5L
baptism register on Ancestry indicates his full name was Thomas Senior Holden
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/1624/31280_194650-00208/?backlabel=ReturnBrowsing&dbid=1624&iid=31280_194650-00208#?imageId=31280_194664-00077
Senior as a middle name when one is an infant seems unusual to me

After that, the next baptism I can locate for a child of a Thomas and Ann is one for a James Janson Holden in 1793 in St Marylebone - https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JWZP-PXX and http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/1624/31280_194651-00375/530493

Then we get into the ones I've already located in Uxbridge.

IF the 1780 born Thomas is of the same family as the 1798 born Thomas, then I can only presume that either the 1798 born Thomas has the middle name of Junior, or the 1780 born Thomas died prior to 1798.

If Thomas Holden and Ann Young are my kin, and their children's birth/baptism years are 1780, 1793, 1795, 1797, 1798, 1800, 1803 & 1806 - then I wonder what happened between 1780 and 1793.


Haven't yet got any further on the burials mentioned, that's for another day.

[Uncle John]

Senior as a middle name when one is an infant seems unusual to me

IF the 1780 born Thomas is of the same family as the 1798 born Thomas, then I can only presume that either the 1798 born Thomas has the middle name of Junior, or the 1780 born Thomas died prior to 1798.


Senior is a fairly common surname as well as being the opposite of Junior. So the name Senior could be lurking further up the family tree.

[Merry]

Thomas Senior Holden was buried in Marylebone in 1781. The other Thomas (b 1798) didn't have a middle name.