1891 census help plus a death

[Margaret in Burton]

I have Samuel and Nancy Martin on the 1881 census in Aston, Wawickshire.


Piece:3023 Folio:79 Page:17

On the 1901 Nancy is widowed and living with her daughter Matilda

I can't find her or Samuel in 1891 or Samuel's death.

I have Nancy's death in 1907 in Aston.

[kiterunner]

So we have the info to hand while searching, this is the 1881 census entry:

17 Cattle Rd, Aston, Warwickshire
Samuel Martin Head Mar 50 Carpenter Cornwall South Petherwin
Nancy " Wife " 48 " Saint Cleather(?)
Samuel " Son Unm 26 Plumber " South Petherwin
Matilda A L " Daug " 20(?) Milliner " "
Frank " Son " 15 Sadler " "
Fredk " 13 School " "
Alfred " 5 " " "

1881 census on ancestry (http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/7572/WARRG11_3021_3024-0704/22565268?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.u k%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fMS_AdvCB%3d1%26db%3duki1881%26rank %3d1%26new%3d1%26so%3d3%26MSAV%3d2%26gss%3dms_r_db %26gsfn_x%3dXO%26gsln_x%3dXO%26dbOnly%3d_F00027B9% 257c_F00027B9_x%26dbOnly%3d_F0003039%257c_F0003039 _x%26dbOnly%3d_F000303A%257c_F000303A_x%26dbOnly%3 d_83004006%257c_83004006_x%26dbOnly%3d_F00032DB%25 7c_F00032DB_x%26_F0003039%3d3023%26_F0003039_x%3d1 %26_F000303A%3d79%26_F000303A_x%3d1%26_F00032DB%3d 17%26_F00032DB_x%3d1%26uidh%3dvm5&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults)

[Margaret in Burton]

Ancestry has Nancy's place of birth as St Cleather but it's St Clether

[JBee]

She's not with Matilda in 1891

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?gss=angs-c&new=1&rank=1&gsfn=Arthur&gsfn_x=1&gsln=Phillips&gsln_x=1&msbdy=1867&msbdy_x=1&msbdp=5&msbpn__ftp=Birmingham&msypn__ftp=Aston%2c+Warwickshire&MSAV=1&uidh=2l2&pcat=1891UKI&h=10594040&db=uki1891&indiv=1&ml_rpos=2

[kiterunner]

Found this family in 1891 (surname was transcribed as Marlin on ancestry):

1891 census on ancestry (http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/6598/WARRG12_2407_2410-0358/2536961?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk %2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fMS_AdvCB%3d1%26db%3duki1891%26rank %3d1%26new%3d1%26MSAV%3d2%26gss%3dangs-d%26gsfn_x%3dXO%26gsln_x%3dXO%26msbdy%3d1833%26msb dy_x%3d1%26msrpn__ftp%3dAston%252c%2bWarwickshire% 252c%2bEngland%26msrpn%3d1678640%26msrpn_PInfo%3d8-%257c0%257c0%257c3257%257c3251%257c0%257c0%257c0%2 57c5288%257c1678640%257c0%257c%26msrpn_x%3dXO%26ms rpn__ftp_x%3d1%26gskw%3dcorn*%26gskw_x%3d1%26dbOnl y%3d_F00079A7%257c_F00079A7_x%252c_F0007B58%257c_F 0007B58_x%252c_F0007EC5%257c_F0007EC5_x%252c_83004 006%257c_83004006_x%252c_F0005C4F%257c_F0005C4F_x% 252c_F0005E11%257c_F0005E11_x%252c_F0005906%257c_F 0005906_x%252c_F0007EC6%257c_F0007EC6_x%26uidh%3dv m5%26msbdp%3d10%26_83004003-n_xcl%3dm%26gl%3d%26gst%3d%26hc%3d10%26fh%3d60%26f sk%3dBEFmZmYIgAAZxgDqaME-61-&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults)
91 Kyrwick Lane, Aston, Warwickshire
Fredk G Martin Head M 25 House Painter Cornwall
Emma Do Wife M 34 Aston Warwickshire
Alfred Do Brother 15 House Painters Assistant Cornwall
Mary Do Mother Wid 59 Do

Maybe the enumerator misread the mother's name on the householder's form and so copied it out wrong?

[JBee]

That looks right that Kite has found but mother is Mary not Nancy.....

[JBee]

There's 2 deaths for Samuel in Birmingham

Sept 1883

Martin Samuel 63 Birmingham 6d 114

Dec 1883

MARTIN Samuel 45 Birmingham 6d 57

age at birth are out though

[Margaret in Burton]

Found this family in 1891 (surname was transcribed as Marlin on ancestry):

1891 census on ancestry (http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/6598/WARRG12_2407_2410-0358/2536961?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk %2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fMS_AdvCB%3d1%26db%3duki1891%26rank %3d1%26new%3d1%26MSAV%3d2%26gss%3dangs-d%26gsfn_x%3dXO%26gsln_x%3dXO%26msbdy%3d1833%26msb dy_x%3d1%26msrpn__ftp%3dAston%252c%2bWarwickshire% 252c%2bEngland%26msrpn%3d1678640%26msrpn_PInfo%3d8-%257c0%257c0%257c3257%257c3251%257c0%257c0%257c0%2 57c5288%257c1678640%257c0%257c%26msrpn_x%3dXO%26ms rpn__ftp_x%3d1%26gskw%3dcorn*%26gskw_x%3d1%26dbOnl y%3d_F00079A7%257c_F00079A7_x%252c_F0007B58%257c_F 0007B58_x%252c_F0007EC5%257c_F0007EC5_x%252c_83004 006%257c_83004006_x%252c_F0005C4F%257c_F0005C4F_x% 252c_F0005E11%257c_F0005E11_x%252c_F0005906%257c_F 0005906_x%252c_F0007EC6%257c_F0007EC6_x%26uidh%3dv m5%26msbdp%3d10%26_83004003-n_xcl%3dm%26gl%3d%26gst%3d%26hc%3d10%26fh%3d60%26f sk%3dBEFmZmYIgAAZxgDqaME-61-&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults)
91 Kyrwick Lane, Aston, Warwickshire
Fredk G Martin Head M 25 House Painter Cornwall
Emma Do Wife M 34 Aston Warwickshire
Alfred Do Brother 15 House Painters Assistant Cornwall
Mary Do Mother Wid 59 Do

Maybe the enumerator misread the mother's name on the householder's form and so copied it out wrong?

That looks right that Kite has found but mother is Mary not Nancy.....


Could be. All of the other names are correct and the ages are about right. Wish it said more than Cornwall.

[Margaret in Burton]

There's 2 deaths for Samuel in Birmingham

Sept 1883

Martin Samuel 63 Birmingham 6d 114

Dec 1883

MARTIN Samuel 45 Birmingham 6d 57

age at birth are out though

Ages are way out. He's been quite consistent on all census about his age.

[Margaret in Burton]

FMP have the name as Martin on that 1891

[JBee]

Bordesley is not far from Aston in Birmingham so looks likely.

I saw another Alfred Martin in Ladywood but there were more children and mother was Charlotte with no place of birth iirc.

[Margaret in Burton]

Ages are way out. He's been quite consistent on all census about his age.

I've just seen the probate calender on the second one and definitely not him.

[Margaret in Burton]

Thanks for the help. I'm going cross eyed looking at this. Going to leave it for today.

[ElizabethHerts]

I don't know how much you have on this family, Marg, but the baptisms are non-conformist on Cornwall OPC.

Matilda Agusta Louisa
Launceston, Christian Bible circuit
Baptised at parents' house
10 July 1860

Frederick George
7 April 1868 parents' house
Father carpenter

Francis
7 April 1868
Parents' house

James Albert Victor
15 December 1871
Southpetherwin village
Father carpenter

Alfred Augustus
19 July 1877
Parents' house
Father carpenter

So it looks like the family found on the census.

[Margaret in Burton]

I don't know how much you have on this family, Marg, but the baptisms are non-conformist on Cornwall OPC.

Matilda Agusta Louisa
Launceston, Christian Bible circuit
Baptised at parents' house
10 July 1860

Frederick George
7 April 1868 parents' house
Father carpenter

Francis
7 April 1868
Parents' house

James Albert Victor
15 December 1871
Southpetherwin village
Father carpenter

Alfred Augustus
19 July 1877
Parents' house
Father carpenter

So it looks like the family found on the census.

Ive only just started on this family Elizabeth. It's my friends tree. Daphne gave me the link to the Cornwall OPC yesterday. I've been studying Nancy's family all day, Venning's. I've found on Google this evening that the Venning family have had a farm at St Clether in Cornwall for 300 years and still do. My friend is over the moon.

[Uncle John]

As an aside, Bible Christians were a sect of the Methodist Church.

[Margaret in Burton]

As an aside, Bible Christians were a sect of the Methodist Church.

Yes, I realise that now. Still not found Samuel's death or burial.