Will of John Moult, 1788, surgeon of Rochdale

[ElizabethHerts]

I am finding more wills listed as being proved at Chester but not on the FMP Cheshire wills index.

Type Surname First Details
Supra
Moult John of Rochdale, surgeon 1788
(found on the Lancashire wills website)


Name: Moult, John
Dates: 1788
Place: Rochdale, Cheshire, England
Book: Births Anno 1657. (Birth)
Collection: Cheshire: - Wills and Inventories, 1781-1790
Volume: List of the Wills Now Preserved in the Probate Registry, Chester.
Chapter: From the Year 1781 to 1790 Inclusive.
Text: Moult, John, of Rochdale, surgeon 1788
(from Ancestry)

This will was subject to Chancery proceedings:
https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/16128/page/394/data.pdf


This man was related to Abel Hyde and his wife Sarah, maiden name Hollingworth. Sarah's parents were Higham Hollingworth and his wife Sarah, maiden name MOULT. Her father was Thomas Moult, whose will I have.

I'm trying to piece together the relationships of the Moult/Hollingworth family.

This is in Abel Hyde's will (proved 1792) :
"And whereas My Relation John MOULT of Rochdale Surgeon Did by his last Will Bequeath to My aforesaid Wife or the Heirs of Her Body one Seventh part of his real and Personal Estates..."

John Moult was buried on 2nd March 1788 at St Chad's, Rochdale.

Sarah had a brother called Alexander Hollingworth (parents Higham and Sarah).

I'm hoping by cross-referencing I can work out how they are all related.

[ElizabethHerts]

Sarah Moult had two brothers - John and Thomas. All three are mentioned in their father's will - Thomas Moult 1721 of Hollingworth.

So the surgeon John Moult could be Sarah's brother - no indication of his profession in the will. John might have had a wife called Susanna. She is named as a daughter-in-law right after he is mentioned. Then a daughter-in-law Elizabeth is mentioned right after Thomas Moult junior.

[Olde Crone]

Elizabeth

I have vague memories of trying to find a will for someone from Rochdale and it turned up in Yorkshire because part of Rochdale came under the Western Deaneries historically. I don't know if that would apply here.

OC

[ElizabethHerts]

Thank, OC. I think my first port of call will be to e-mail Cheshire Archives as it says it was proved at Chester.

This is a very tangled web!

[ElizabethHerts]

According to the London Gazette:

one seventh of the estate was to go to Sarah Goodman
She was the daughter of Alexander Hollingworth, the sister of Sarah Hyde. Sarah Goodman lived at Chapel-en-le-Frith, Derbyshire
I now think that this is Sarah wife of George Goodman and daughter of Thomas Moult of Eccles.

one seventh of the estate was to go to Emanuel Moult of Chinley, Glossop, Derbyshire, Gentleman

one seventh of the estate was to go to William Moult of Mellor, Glossop, Gentleman

one seven of the estate to Sarah Hide or Hyde as mentioned about (OH's 6x-great-grandmother)

Also it is stated that the grandfather of John Moult the testator was James Grandfather of Manchester - possible a merchant - by his 2nd wife, maiden name Pearson.

I found a marriage between a James Grantham and an Elizabeth Pearson at Bowdon, Cheshire. I wonder if that is the connection.





Name: James Grantham
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 10 Feb 1696
Event Place: , Bowdon, Cheshire, England
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Pearson
GS Film number: 2092999
Digital Folder Number: 004018853
Image Number: 00350

[ElizabethHerts]

First name(s) MR JAMES
Last name GRANTHAM
Birth year -
Marriage date 10 Feb 1696
Marriage year 1696
Church -
Place BOWDON
Spouse's first name(s) MISS ELIZABETH
Spouse's last name PEIRSON
Bride's age -
Bride's birth place -
Bride's residence Bowdon
Groom's residence Bowdon
City or town Bowdon
County Cheshire
Country England
Records set Cheshire Diocese of Chester bishop's transcripts marriages 1576-1906

[Mary from Italy]

Just found this on FMP:

The Cheshire Wills and Probate records include all surviving original wills of Cheshire residents proved at the Chester diocesan consistory court 1492 – 1857 and registered copies made at Chester Probate Registry 1858-1911.

http://search.findmypast.co.uk/search-world-records/cheshire-wills-and-probate

So Lancs residents presumably aren't included in the index.

[ElizabethHerts]

Mary, thanks for the information. It helps make sense of this, but it's very frustrating. I have found a couple more earlier wills which also don't appear.

I have gone from nothing for this branch to being totally overwhelmed with information. I have quite a few wills waiting to be transcribed. It's very satisfying, but I would have liked to have told OH's mother about all this before she died. She died just a month ago, aged 98.

[Mary from Italy]

Ah, that's a shame.

My mum, auntie and grandma would have loved to hear all the information I've found about their ancestors, but sadly they all died before I got started on genealogy.
(My dad would have been totally shocked about what I've found about his side...)

[ElizabethHerts]

Excitement! I have just found this on the National Archives website:

Title: Certified Copy of Moult Family Genealogical Table, 1237-1975
Reference: DDX418
Description:

Photocopy of original letterprint, mounted on linen. Shows Moult descent from 1237 to date, referring to estates in Cheadle and Mottram in Longdendale, Chapel Milton, Chinley, Eccles and Mellor co.Derby. Top centre: coloured coat of arms, and on left coloured arms of Thomas Moult of Mottram Old Hall d.1721; on right coloured arms granted to Francis Moult, 1686/7, and regranted to John and Thomas Moult of Mellor Hall b.1776, with their badges. Copy certified by J. D. Moult, 17 Feb. 1975
Date: 1975
Held by: Cheshire Archives and Local Studies, not available at The National Archives

[ElizabethHerts]

Thomas Moult d. 1721 is OH's 8x-great-grandfather.

[Merry]

Certified Copy of Moult Family Genealogical Table, 1237-1975


How exciting/interesting! I hope it has it's basis in facts!

Yesterday I was looking at an ancestry tree of some of my ancestors and a set of triplets born in 1838 and mentioned in the newspaper had been divided between two different mothers for reasons I can't imagine! lol The mother who I know didn't deliver one triplet (:rolleyes:) flitted between four husbands having children with all of them, some at the same time - she must have been exhausted, poor woman!

I guess you will be contacting Cheshire Archives about the Moult papers ASAP!

[ElizabethHerts]

How exciting/interesting! I hope it has it's basis in facts!

Yesterday I was looking at an ancestry tree of some of my ancestors and a set of triplets born in 1838 and mentioned in the newspaper had been divided between two different mothers for reasons I can't imagine! lol The mother who I know didn't deliver one triplet (:rolleyes:) flitted between four husbands having children with all of them, some at the same time - she must have been exhausted, poor woman!

I guess you will be contacting Cheshire Archives about the Moult papers ASAP!

Yes, Merry! They will be fed up with my e-mails!

I will proceed with caution. At Hertford they have a book about the Battell family written about 100 years ago but then I discovered that a lot concerning OH's family is wrong.

[Olde Crone]

On the other hand, I have a book written by a man in 1887 covering the genealogy of more than 5000 people over a 200 year period. All the info was in his head and dictated to a local reporter. Doesn't sound very promising, does it? Howwever, I (and many other interested people!) have checked the facts against church regs, bmds, wills, census, newspapers and so on and the book is astonishingly accurate with only the most minor of details wrong - Mary for Margaret, for instance.

OC

[ElizabethHerts]

Does "Certified Copy" mean it's likely to be more reliable? I'm not sure.

[kiterunner]

I think certified copy just means that J D Moult certified in 1975 that it was a photocopy of the original, so it wouldn't have anything to do with the accuracy of the genealogy.

[ElizabethHerts]

I have established that most of the beneficiaries of the will were cousins.
John Moult was son of Thomas Moult and Elizabeth (maiden name Grantham).

Unresolved is the relationship with John and Meriel/Miriam Davies, children of the late Clarke Davies of Manchester.