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lyndenh55

11-04-15, 11:54

hi
help please looking for barbara ann hillmore prior to marriage to richard Fairbank i have following info

Barbara ann willmore 1825
London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: Josiah Wedge
Record Type: Banns
Event Date: 22 May 1825
Parish: St Mary at Lambeth, Lambeth Road
Borough: Lambeth
Register Type: Parish Register
Household Members:
Name
Barbara Ann Willmore
Josiah wedge

Richard Fairbank
England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973
Spouse: Barbara Ann Willmere
Marriage: 19 Oct 1831 – st mary Lambeth, Surrey, England
Residence: Lambeth, Surrey, England

Source Citation: London Metropolitan Archives, P85//MAY 1/484
Barbara Sarah Fairbank
London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
Father: Richard Fairbank
Mother: Barbara Ann Fairbank
Baptism: 31 Jul 1833 - Lambeth St Mary, England

i have the family in 1851 and richard fairbank in 1841 (baker)
but can't find barbara ann in 1841 or any baptism for her

looks like a lot of transcription and spellings errors
thanks
regards lynden

ElizabethHerts

11-04-15, 12:05

The Barbara Ann who married Josiah Wedge was a spinster.
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/1623/32184_218897-00554/10713595?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.u k%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3dLMAmarriages%26rank%3d1%26new %3d1%26so%3d3%26MSAV%3d1%26msT%3d1%26gss%3dms_db%2 6gsfn%3dBarbara%26gsfn_x%3dXO%26gsln%3dWilmore%26g sln_x%3dNN%26dbOnly%3d_F00058A6%257c_F00058A6_x%26 dbOnly%3d_F0005A5D%257c_F0005A5D_x%26dbOnly%3d_F00 05A49%257c_F0005A49_x%26uidh%3dxt1&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults

The Barabara Ann who married Richard Fairbank was also a spinster.

http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/1623/31280_195092-00048/2386368?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk %2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3dLMAmarriages%26rank%3d1%26new %3d1%26so%3d3%26MSAV%3d1%26msT%3d1%26gss%3dms_db%2 6gsfn%3dBarbara%26gsfn_x%3dXO%26gsln%3dWilmore%26g sln_x%3dNN%26dbOnly%3d_F00058A6%257c_F00058A6_x%26 dbOnly%3d_F0005A5D%257c_F0005A5D_x%26dbOnly%3d_F00 05A49%257c_F0005A49_x%26uidh%3dxt1&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults

ElizabethHerts

11-04-15, 12:09

The 1861 Census indicates that Barbara was born in Lambeth, Surrey c. 1808.

http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/8767/SRYRG9_350_352-0783/6289566?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk %2f%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3frank%3d1%26new%3d1%26MSAV%3d1%26ms T%3d1%26gss%3dangs-c%26gsfn%3dBarbara%26gsfn_x%3dXO%26gsln%3dFairbank %26gsln_x%3dNN%26cpxt%3d1%26uidh%3dxt1%26cp%3d11%2 6pcat%3d35%26h%3d6289566%26db%3duki1861%26indiv%3d 1%26ml_rpos%3d1&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnRecord

ElizabethHerts

11-04-15, 12:10

The whole family was given as having been born in Wandsworth, Surrey in 1851.
According to this, Barbara was born c. 1810.

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?rank=1&new=1&MSAV=1&msT=1&gss=angs-c&gsfn=Barbara&gsfn_x=XO&gsln=Fairbank&gsln_x=NN&cpxt=1&uidh=xt1&cp=11&pcat=35&h=866613&recoff=6+17+18&db=uki1851&indiv=1&ml_rpos=2

kiterunner

11-04-15, 12:27

I wonder whether this family on the same page as the Fairbanks in 1851 are related?

Elizabeth Willmore Wife Mar 34 Charwoman Kent
Benjamin Do Son 7 Scholar Lambeth, Surrey
Jane Do Daur 5 Do Do
Edward Do Son 4 Do Do

kiterunner

11-04-15, 12:32

This is the Fairbank family in 1841 but their names have been mangled by ancestry:

http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/8978/SRYHO107_1057_1058-0247/10174186?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.u k%2f%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3findiv%3d1%26MS_AdvCB%3d1%26db%3duk i1841%26rank%3d1%26new%3d1%26MSAV%3d2%26gss%3dangs-d%26gsfn%3dbarb*%26gsfn_x%3dXO%26gsln_x%3dXO%26msb dy%3d1811%26msbdy_x%3d1%26gskw%3dsurrey%26gskw_x%3 d1%26dbOnly%3d_F000391C%257c_F000391C_x%252c_F0003 039%257c_F0003039_x%252c_F000303A%257c_F000303A_x% 252c_F00032DB%257c_F00032DB_x%252c_F0002996%257c_F 0002996_x%252c_F000303D%257c_F000303D_x%252c_F0003 03E%257c_F000303E_x%26uidh%3dvm5%26pcat%3d35%26fh% 3d2%26h%3d10174186%26recoff%3d8%26ml_rpos%3d3&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnRecord

(starts right at the bottom of the second page)

Whisky Place, Lambeth
Rich Fairbank 40 Baker Y
Barbara Do 30 Y
Barbara Do 9 Y
Sarah Do 6 Y
Rcd Do 4 Y
James Do 2 Y

Phoenix

11-04-15, 12:33

The first entry is, I think a banns book, with marginal notes if the marriage took place, so there is presumably just the one marriage, and Josiah Wedge comforted himself elsewhere.

lyndenh55

11-04-15, 12:38

also on the 1851 census below is elizabeth hillmore with children benjamin, jane, and edward obviously related i have also looked around there to find a link without success

kiterunner

11-04-15, 12:49

I found baptisms for two of those Willmore children from the 1851 census giving their father's name as Benjamin Francis, so this is his marriage:

http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/1623/31280_195095-00194/2394429?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk %2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3dlmamarriages%26so%3d2%26pcat% 3dROOT_CATEGORY%26MS_AdvCB%3d1%26rank%3d1%26new%3d 1%26MSAV%3d2%26gss%3dangs-g%26gsfn%3dben*%26gsfn_x%3dXO%26gsln%3dwil*m*r*%26 gsln_x%3dXO%26cpxt%3d1%26catBucket%3drstp%26uidh%3 dvm5%26cp%3d11&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults

26 Jun 1842 St Mary Lambeth
Benjamin Francis Willmore, full age, bachelor, Gas Lighter, Brooks' Court, father William Willmore, Shoe Maker
Elizabeth How, full age, spinster, Carlisle Street, father John How, gardener
Witnesses Edward Barnet(?) and Barbara Ann Fairbank.

So Benjamin is very likely to be Barbara's brother in which case her father would be William Willmore, shoe maker, too.

kiterunner

11-04-15, 12:49

also on the 1851 census below is elizabeth hillmore with children benjamin, jane, and edward obviously related i have also looked around there to find a link without success

The surname is definitely Willmore, not Hillmore. Also see my post #9 above.

Phoenix

11-04-15, 12:52

Hesitate to correct you, Lynden, but there is this:

http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/1623/31280_195095-00194/2394429?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk %2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3dlmamarriages%26so%3d2%26pcat% 3dROOT_CATEGORY%26rank%3d1%26new%3d1%26MSAV%3d1%26 msT%3d1%26gss%3dangs-g%26gsfn%3dben*%26gsfn_x%3dXO%26gsln%3dwil*more%26 gsln_x%3dNN%26cpxt%3d1%26catBucket%3drstp%26uidh%3 d9vh%26cp%3d11&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults

Look at the witness.

lyndenh55

11-04-15, 12:52

ha ha poor old josiah probably didn,t have enough wedge to support her
barbara sarah married john etheridge my ggf who also resided at whiskey place at some time so thanks will check that out
regards lynden

lyndenh55

11-04-15, 12:57

sorry not on ancestry can only access at library
you got me thinking whose the witness lol

ElizabethHerts

11-04-15, 13:09

There is this burial for a William Willmore in 1846:

Name: William Willmore
Age: 69
Birth Date: 1777
Burial Date: 19 Apr 1846
Burial Place: St. Mary At Lambeth, Surry, England
FHL Film Number: 1041665
Reference ID: P. 52, No. 411

kiterunner

11-04-15, 13:09

It's the same marriage that I posted a transcription of in post #9, so the witness is Barbara Ann Fairbank.

ElizabethHerts

11-04-15, 13:10

He was living at Brooks Court:

http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/1559/31280_195113-00047/8760809?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk %2f%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3frank%3d1%26new%3d1%26MSAV%3d1%26gs s%3dangs-g%26gsfn%3dWilliam%26gsfn_x%3dXO%26gsln%3dWillmore %26gsln_x%3dNN%26msddy%3d1846%26cpxt%3d1%26catBuck et%3drstp%26uidh%3dxt1%26cp%3d11%26pcat%3dROOT_CAT EGORY%26h%3d8760809%26recoff%3d8%2b9%26db%3dLMAdea ths%26indiv%3d1%26ml_rpos%3d15&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnRecord

kiterunner

11-04-15, 13:11

This could be another of the family:
London Baptisms on ancestry (http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/1558/31280_195071-00159/1544400?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk %2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fMS_AdvCB%3d1%26db%3dLMAbirths%26ra nk%3d1%26new%3d1%26so%3d3%26MSAV%3d2%26pcat%3d34%2 6gss%3dms_r_db%26gsfn_x%3dXO%26gsln%3dwil*m*r*%26g sln_x%3dXO%26msbdy%3d1818%26msbdy_x%3d1%26msfng0%3 dwil*%26msfng0_x%3d1%26msfns0%3dwil*m*r*%26msfns0_ x%3d1%26dbOnly%3d_F0005A5E%257c_F0005A5E_x%26dbOnl y%3d_F0005A49%257c_F0005A49_x%26dbOnly%3d_F00058A6 %257c_F00058A6_x%26uidh%3dvm5%26msbdp%3d5&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults)
Baptism 12 Jun 1814 St Mary Lambeth:
Mary Elizabeth daur of William & Sarah Willmore, abode Marsh, occupation Shoe Maker, born 2 Dec 1813.

Phoenix

11-04-15, 13:13

A John Thomas Willmore born c 1806 in Lambeth is a dissenting minister. That might explain why Barbara is literate but has no baptism, if her parents were non-conformist.

kiterunner

11-04-15, 13:16

Barbara and Benjamin's baptisms probably come in between these two:

John Thomas son of William & Sarah Willmore baptised 8 Dec 1805 St Mary Lambeth, born 6 Aug.

Elizabeth Mary daughter of William and Sarah Willmore baptised 23 Feb 1812 St Mary Lambeth, born 19 Jun.

There is also a James Thomas Willmore baptised 13 Nov 1803 at the same church, same parents.

Phoenix

11-04-15, 13:17

I can see we are on the same track, Kite, as John Thomas is a son of William and Sarah Willmore

ElizabethHerts

11-04-15, 13:18

There is an online tree on Ancestry which gives the wife of William Willmore as Sarah Jordan:

http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/tree/20735138/person/1346665957

However the marriage backing up this hypothesis is for a Thomas Willmore.
The tree calls William "William Thomas".

kiterunner

11-04-15, 13:30

UK Census Online lists a William Willmore, 65, Shoe Maker, in London, not born in county, on the 1841 census, but I can't find him on ancestry or Findmypast at the moment to view the image.

Phoenix

11-04-15, 13:35

There is a Barbara Ann Willmore, born in Feckenham in 1845. She dies before the 1851 census. Her parents are John Hands? Hasid? Willmore and Ann. John was born 1820, son of John Willmore and Esther Daws.

Esther is on the 1841 census in Feckenham. Unfortunately, so on the same page is a William Willmore. If this is more than coincidence, it is going to be complicated....

Phoenix

11-04-15, 13:36

Does UK Census Online use the historic boundaries, Kite? Lambeth was Surrey then.

kiterunner

11-04-15, 13:43

Does UK Census Online use the historic boundaries, Kite? Lambeth was Surrey then.

No, it doesn't.

Phoenix

11-04-15, 13:51

This is him, with Sarah and Francis:

http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/8978/SRYHO107_1057_1058-0236/10173604?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.u k%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3duki1841%26rank%3d1%26new%3d1% 26so%3d3%26MSAV%3d1%26gss%3dms_r_db%26gsfn_x%3dXO% 26gsln%3d*more%26gsln_x%3dXO%26msbdy%3d1776%26msbd y_x%3d1%26msrpn__ftp%3dLambeth%252c%2bSurrey%252c% 2bEngland%26msrpn%3d85496%26msrpn_PInfo%3d8-%257c0%257c0%257c3257%257c3251%257c0%257c0%257c0%2 57c5286%257c85496%257c0%257c%26msrpn__ftp_x%3d1%26 dbOnly%3d_F000391C%257c_F000391C_x%26dbOnly%3d_F00 03039%257c_F0003039_x%26dbOnly%3d_F000303A%257c_F0 00303A_x%26dbOnly%3d_F00032DB%257c_F00032DB_x%26db Only%3d_F0002996%257c_F0002996_x%26dbOnly%3d_F0003 03D%257c_F000303D_x%26dbOnly%3d_F000303E%257c_F000 303E_x%26uidh%3d9vh&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults

Phoenix

11-04-15, 13:53

Looks like it's the same man whose burial Elizabeth found, as he's at Brooks Court

ElizabethHerts

11-04-15, 14:59

kiterunner

11-04-15, 15:01

Looks like Shoe Mk. UK Census Online have transcribed it as Shoe Maker.

lyndenh55

11-04-15, 15:16

oh yes i can just make out richard and barbara on 1841 HO107/10575 children must be on
next page very difficult to make out names
thanks regards lynden

Phoenix

11-04-15, 16:15

Barbara Ann was baptised 5 June 1808, born 26 Feb Ult, daughter of William by Sarah in St Margarets Westminster.

Benjamin Francis was baptised there too, with the additional information that they were living on Lambeth Marsh and William was a shoemaker.

Phoenix

11-04-15, 16:54

It looks as if Sarah was still alive in 1851, aged 74, in Lombard St, St George the Martyr, Southwark. She is formerly shoemaker, born Mddx NK.

She is a visitor in the household of Sarah Willmore, aged 73, formerly hatter, born Mddx, NK

Phoenix

11-04-15, 17:13

Not sure how far anyone wants me to go on this, but a Benjamin Willmore marries a Sarah Howson 30 Jan 1799 St Giles Without Cripplegate. Their son Howson is not bp until 1859 (born 1804)
Father's occupation Hatter.

William Willmore marries Sarah Winstone 6 May 1801 also St Giles Without Cripplegate. Both otp and single.

Of course, if William were born London, living in Lambeth, he would be born out of county in 1841.