Return to my Newton - Buckley problem

[ElizabethHerts]

OH's 3x-great-grandfathers were Joseph Newton and his brother William Newton:

http://www.genealogistsforum.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=8742&highlight=Joseph+Newton

http://www.genealogistsforum.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=8997&highlight=Joseph+Newton

Joseph's son James married William's daughter Jane.

Joseph was in business with the Buckleys:

“Notice is hereby given, that the Partnership between the late John Starkie, deceased, and the undersigned Nathaniel Buckley, Abel Buckley, Sarah Buckley, Margaret Buckley, and Joseph Newton, in the business of Woollen-Clothiers, carried on under the firm of Starkie, Buckley, and Newton, of Huddersfield, in the County of York, and under the firm of Buckley, Newton, and Company, at Wood, in Stayley, in the County of Chester, was this day dissolved by mutual consent; and the all debts owing to or by the concern shall be received and paid by the said Nathaniel Buckley.

Dated the 26th day of June 1815

John Whitaker,
John Edwards,
Wm. Marshall,
Executors of the late John Starkie, deceased,
Nath. Buckley,
Abel Buckley,
Sarah Buckley,
Margaret Buckley,
Joseph Newton.”

It seems that Nathaniel, Abel, Sarah and Margaret Buckley might have been siblings.

See pages 16 and 17 of the following:

https://archive.org/details/genealogicalmem00fish

Page 17 made me jump because it has a sister, Hannah Buckley, marrying W. Newton.

I can't find a marriage for Hannah to W. Newton but there is a marriage allegation for John Newton and Hannah Buckley in 1779:

http://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=gbprs%2fm%2f737054215%2f3

John is 20 and Hannah 19 which fits in with the tree where is says Hannah was born in 1759. John is a "dry salter".

However, I can't find a baptism for Joseph c. 1780.
But there is a baptism for a William Newton on 10 June 1787:

http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/2959/40364_605905_0328-00152/1660069?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk %2f%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3frank%3d1%26new%3d1%26MSAV%3d1%26gs s%3dangs-c%26gsfn%3dWilliam%26gsfn_x%3dNN%26gsln%3dNewton%2 6gsln_x%3dXO%26msbdy%3d1780%26msfng0%3dJohn%26msfn s0%3dNewton%26msmng0%3dHannah%26cpxt%3d1%26uidh%3d xt1%26msbdp%3d10%26cp%3d0%26pcat%3d34%26h%3d166006 9%26recoff%3d9%2b10%2b35%2b36%2b47%2b48%26db%3dMan chesterEarlyBMDCRO%26indiv%3d1%26ml_rpos%3d1&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnRecord

But John is a Spinner here.

There are just too many Newtons and Buckleys in the area.

[ElizabethHerts]

Well, some of the information ties up.

The Buckley tree states about Hannah:

born 1759
died 1798
married W. Newton

I have found the burial of Hannah Newton, wife of John Newton of Lidgate/Lydgate (where son William gave as his birthplace in the censuses):

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?rank=1&new=1&MSAV=1&gss=angs-g&gsfn=Hannah&gsfn_x=NN&gsln=Newton&gsln_x=XO&msddy=1798&cpxt=1&catBucket=rstp&uidh=xt1&cp=0&mssng0=John&mssns0=Newton&pcat=ROOT_CATEGORY&h=2368811&recoff=9+10+36+37&db=ManchesterEarlyBMDCRO&indiv=1&ml_rpos=1

She was buried at St George's, Mossley.

[ElizabethHerts]

There is a problem in that the pedigree chart on page 17 states that Hannah married W. Newton, but on page 13 what is written re. the children differs from the chart and Hannah is said to have married Charles Hindley and to have produced one daughter.

[kiterunner]

Could she have married twice?

[ElizabethHerts]

I suppose she might have, Kate. I'll have to see if I can find a death for John Newton as she was only 19 when she married him (assuming it is the same girl).

I was surprised just how many Hannah Buckleys there are!

[ElizabethHerts]

Could she have married twice?

If she did, that scuppers the burial I found!

[ElizabethHerts]

It might help if I could find a will for John Buckley, the father of Hannah, who died in January 1816. Oh, for the mention "my grandsons Joseph and William Newton"... but that is probably asking for too much.

[ElizabethHerts]

Ancestry has John Buckley's burial:

Name: John Buckley
Birth Year: abt 1781
Age: 35
Burial Date: 12 Jan 1816
Parish: Mossley, St George
Parish as it Appears: Ashton Under Lyne
Reference Number: GB127.L310/1/4/1

but it is wrong as the age is 85!

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?rank=1&new=1&MSAV=1&msT=1&gss=angs-g&gsfn=John&gsln=Buckley&msddy=1816&cpxt=1&catBucket=rstp&uidh=xt1&cp=11&pcat=ROOT_CATEGORY&h=1723741&recoff=9+10&db=ManchesterBurialsCRO&indiv=1&ml_rpos=13

[kiterunner]

The Prerogative & Exchequer Courts of York Probate Index for Feb 1816 lists John Buckley of T Stayley P Mottram Coy(?), Chester:

http://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=or%2fpecy%2f0019%2f0021&parentid=origins%2fyorkprobate%2f600604&highlights=%22%22

You should be able to get a copy from the Borthwick Institute.

[ElizabethHerts]

Oooh, Kate! Thanks so much. I was looking at the Lancashire wills at Chester, where a lot of the wills seem to have been proved.

[ElizabethHerts]

I suppose she might have, Kate. I'll have to see if I can find a death for John Newton as she was only 19 when she married him (assuming it is the same girl).

I was surprised just how many Hannah Buckleys there are!


Panic over, this is the daughter of Nathaniel. Thank goodness I have now found my glasses - I can actually read everything now. :D

[ElizabethHerts]

I've now had a reply from the Borthwick Institute and have ordered the will, so now I shall wait impatiently for it.

[ElizabethHerts]

*Dances a jig!*

John Buckley's will has arrived.

"... to my aforesaid six children, namely, Nathaniel Buckley, James Buckley and my daughters Sarah Buckley, Jenny Levin/Lever?, Mary Wimpenny and Margaret Buckley I give each one seventh share. And to my three grandchildren Joseph Newton William Newton and Mary Buckley Newton One seventh share...."


So I have also found a daughter.

It has been a long wait trying to get further with this family, so I'm ecstatic. :D

[Lindsay]

Brilliant!

[Merry]

Great news!! :):):)

[tenterfieldjulie]

Dances a little jig .. keeping warm here ..

[ElizabethHerts]

Julie, I can feel another visit to Yorkshire/Lancashire/Cheshire coming on!

[tenterfieldjulie]

sobs .. I have started my holiday account!!

[ElizabethHerts]

On FMP they have the will of Sarah Buckley, the daughter of the above John Buckley. She died a spinster in 1820 and in her will also named the children of her deceased sister, Hannah Newton, as Joseph, William and Hannah Buckley, and provided for them. :D