Another Venning mystery

[Margaret in Burton]

I have Ada Venning b 1886, Ellen or Nellie Venning b 1888 and Bertha Venning b 1892 all in Swadlincote or Church Gresley, Derbyshire.

All three are with their parents Charles and Jessie in 1901 but not in 1911. I can't find marriages or deaths for them.

Two brothers emigrated, one to Canada and the other to the USA so that is a possibility.

[kiterunner]

The Canadian Passenger Lists on ancestry have Nellie and Ada Venning arriving at Quebec in May 1906, Nellie age 18 and Ada age 20, from Derbyshire, ultimate destination in Canada: Lloydminster.

Here they are in the UK Departures on ancestry, mistranscribed as Venney:
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/2997/40610_B000494-00473/45424880?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.u k%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fMS_AdvCB%3d1%26db%3dUKOutwardPasse ngerLists%26rank%3d1%26new%3d1%26MSAV%3d2%26gss%3d angs-d%26gsfn_x%3dXO%26gsln%3dven*%26gsln_x%3dXO%26msbd y%3d1887%26msbdy_x%3d1%26msedy%3d1906%26msedy_x%3d 1%26gskw%3dcanada%26gskw_x%3d1%26dbOnly%3d_F000595 9%257c_F0005959_x%252c_F00061E6%257c_F00061E6_x%25 2c_F8007054%257c_F8007054_x%26uidh%3dvm5%26msbdp%3 d5%26gl%3d%26gst%3d%26hc%3d10%26fh%3d10%26fsk%3dBE D4cbsIgAALtQFPjrE-61-&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults

Edit - and here is the Canadian Passenger List image on FamilySearch:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-12692-64328-78?cc=1823240

[Margaret in Burton]

Thanks Kate, just Bertha now then.

[kiterunner]

This could be Ada:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=115899211

Ada Venning Ford, maiden name Venning, wife of James Ford, 1886-1955, buried at Evergreen Cemetery, Chatham-Kent, Ontario, Canada.

[kiterunner]

Here is Ada with husband James Ford on the 1911 Canadian census (on a free site - Automated Genealogy) and it says she was born in England, so it must be her.
http://automatedgenealogy.com/census11/SplitView.jsp?id=147731

[kiterunner]

And on the 1921 Canadian census (on ancestry) James and Ada have a son James age 9, born Ontario.
1921 Canadian census on ancestry (http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/8991/1921_067-e002937237/228772?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk% 2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3dcancen1921%26so%3d2%26pcat%3d ROOT_CATEGORY%26MS_AdvCB%3d1%26rank%3d1%26new%3d1% 26MSAV%3d2%26gss%3dangs-g%26gsfn%3dada%26gsfn_x%3dXO%26gsln%3dford%26gsln_ x%3dXO%26msbdy%3d1886%26msbdy_x%3d1%26cpxt%3d1%26c atBucket%3drstp%26uidh%3dvm5%26msbdp%3d2%26cp%3d3% 26mssng0%3dja*s%26mssng0_x%3d1&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults)

[kiterunner]

Hmmm, Nellie goes to Canada again in 1910, age 22, with a Mary Venning age 33, also born England. Their destination is Lloydminster again so I presume it is the same Nellie:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-12640-27930-36

[kiterunner]

Nellie is a servant on the 1911 Canadian census:
http://automatedgenealogy.com/census11/SplitView.jsp?id=97697

[kiterunner]

Here is Bertha arriving in Canada in 1909 (FamilySearch):
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12414-16444-71?cc=1823240

Age 16, destination Lloydminster.

[Margaret in Burton]

Thank you so much Kate. I don't know who Mary is, not come across her.

[kiterunner]

Then in March 1913 Bertha is on a passenger list returning to Canada from England with Ada Ford and Ada's son James Vaughan Ford:
Canadian Passenger Lists on ancestry (http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/1263/CANIMM1913PLIST_0000406968-00348/2050782?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk %2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3dcanadianpl%26so%3d2%26pcat%3d ROOT_CATEGORY%26MS_AdvCB%3d1%26rank%3d1%26new%3d1% 26MSAV%3d2%26msT%3d1%26gss%3dangs-g%26gsfn%3dbert*%26gsfn_x%3dXO%26gsln%3dven*g%26gs ln_x%3dXO%26cpxt%3d1%26catBucket%3drstp%26uidh%3dv m5%26cp%3d3&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults)

[kiterunner]

There is a marriage between a Bertha Venning and an Isaac Brock Carnes 26 Mar 1913 in Winnipeg:
http://vitalstats.gov.mb.ca/DetailView.php

I'll try to find out more about them to see whether it is the right Bertha or not.

[kiterunner]

Yes, it is the right Bertha; here is a transcription of the 1916 Canadian census entry for the Carnes family, on FamilySearch:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KMP7-T59

[kiterunner]

Here is Bertha's burial info (you have to scroll down the page when it has loaded; then if you click on the link there is a photo of the gravestone):
http://geneofun.on.ca/cems/ON/ONELG10677?PHPSESSID=14d9352177ec512008965e1203481 d6b&filter=carnes

[Margaret in Burton]

You've been a great help Kate, thank you so much.

[Anstey Nomad]

http://www.genealogy.com/ftm/c/a/r/William-H-Carnes/WEBSITE-0001/UHP-0003.html

http://obits.dignitymemorial.com/dignity-memorial/obituary.aspx?n=William-Carnes&lc=3776&pid=145938603&mid=4405270

How many living relatives would your friend like?

[Margaret in Burton]

Seen your message on FB too. I don't know, she hasn't got her head around 16 kids yet.

[tenterfieldjulie]

Marg I have Vennings and Fords in my Cornwall mob lol

[Margaret in Burton]

Julie, I haven't gone back into the Cornish line yet. I just want to produce a simple tree I can print out for my friend. I will go further back at some point but at the moment I'm going no further than her great great grandparents on her four grandparents lines.

I will get back to you when I start the Cornish Venning's. I may need your help. Never done any Cornish research

[tenterfieldjulie]

Cornwall OPCs are excellent Marg.

[Margaret in Burton]

Cornwall OPCs are excellent Marg.

I'll be asking your advise when the time comes Julie, I've never used an OPC.

[Margaret in Burton]

Julie

I've told my friend Kim about your Venning's. I then showed her a photo of you. Her reaction was, OMG she looks like my nan Winnie Venning. You never know we may have a connection.