Maiden name for Jessie Venning

[Margaret in Burton]

I'm trying to find the maiden name for the wife of Charles Venning.

1911 census she says they have been married 31 years and have had 12 children all living. This is incorrect as I've found 16, two deceased. Checked all census from 1881 to 1911 plus birth reg and the South Derbyshire BDM site which helpfully says the parentage of the two deceased children.

I've found the death cert online of one of her sons and that gives her name as Jessie Newberry.

Jessie Newberry married Charles Martin not Venning

June qtr 1878 Burton 6b 417

In 1911 they are here

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&db=1911england&MS_AdvCB=1&rank=1&new=1&MSAV=2&msT=1&gss=angs-d&gsfn=charles&gsfn_x=XO&gsln=venning&gsln_x=XO&gskw=cornwall&gskw_x=1&uidh=p77&pcat=1911UKI&fh=1&h=21923024&recoff=&ml_rpos=2


What am I missing here?

[Merry]

The most likely seems that Charles used two different surnames. Have you worked out the names of his parents?

[Margaret in Burton]

No, I can't find him before 1881. Can't find her either as Newberry.

He was born 1857 in Launceston, Cornwall and she was born 1860 in either St Giles, Devon which looks to be near Torrington or Plymouth depending which census.

[Margaret in Burton]

The Martin and Newberry marriage is on South Derbyshire BDM.

He's a joiner which is correct. Father Samuel Martin a joiner.

[Merry]

Hmmm, I had been wondering if these are his parents, but why would he them use his mmn?


Marriages Dec 1850
Doidge Mary Launceston 9 195
Glidden John Launceston 9 195
Martin Samuel Launceston 9 195 <<<<<<<<<<<<<
Popplestone Thomas Launceston 9 195
Poulston William Launceston 9 195
Stanning Mary Ann Launceston 9 195
Symons Elizabeth Launceston 9 195
Venning Nancy Launceston 9 195 <<<<<<<<<<<<

maybe they didn't marry each other?

[Margaret in Burton]

mmmmm

are they on the 1851 census together? I just can't find them at all

[Merry]

I haven't looked yet.

Did something go wrong with Jessie's reg or are there two at the same time?


Births Sep 1859

Newberry Jessey Launceston 5c 21
Newberry Jessey Tavistock 5b 311
NEWBERRY Jessie Tavistock 5b 311

[Margaret in Burton]

1861 census

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1861&indiv=try&h=16084487

[Margaret in Burton]

I haven't looked yet.

Did something go wrong with Jessie's reg or are there two at the same time?


Births Sep 1859

Newberry Jessey Launceston 5c 21
Newberry Jessey Tavistock 5b 311
NEWBERRY Jessie Tavistock 5b 311

She supposedly is from Devon

[kiterunner]

So is Charles the William C Martin who is in that family on the 1861 census?

[kiterunner]

He is still William C Martin in 1871, occupation carpenter:
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/7619/CONRG10_2226_2229-0254/616823?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk% 2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fMS_AdvCB%3d1%26db%3duki1871%26rank %3d1%26new%3d1%26so%3d3%26MSAV%3d2%26gss%3dms_r_db %26gsfn%3dnan*%26gsfn_x%3dXO%26gsln%3dmartin%26gsl n_x%3dXO%26gskw%3dcornwall%26gskw_x%3d1%26dbOnly%3 d_F0003888%257c_F0003888_x%26dbOnly%3d_F00027B9%25 7c_F00027B9_x%26dbOnly%3d_F0003039%257c_F0003039_x %26dbOnly%3d_F000303A%257c_F000303A_x%26dbOnly%3d_ F00032DB%257c_F00032DB_x%26dbOnly%3d_83004006%257c _83004006_x%26dbOnly%3d_F000303D%257c_F000303D_x%2 6dbOnly%3d_F00032F2%257c_F00032F2_x%26dbOnly%3d_F0 0032F6%257c_F00032F6_x%26uidh%3dvm5%26msbdp%3d5&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults

[Margaret in Burton]

So is Charles the William C Martin who is in that family on the 1861 census?

I don't know as yet. Charles and Jessie's eldest was Charles William but all 16 kids were registered as Venning.

[Margaret in Burton]

He is still William C Martin in 1871, occupation carpenter:
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/7619/CONRG10_2226_2229-0254/616823?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk% 2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fMS_AdvCB%3d1%26db%3duki1871%26rank %3d1%26new%3d1%26so%3d3%26MSAV%3d2%26gss%3dms_r_db %26gsfn%3dnan*%26gsfn_x%3dXO%26gsln%3dmartin%26gsl n_x%3dXO%26gskw%3dcornwall%26gskw_x%3d1%26dbOnly%3 d_F0003888%257c_F0003888_x%26dbOnly%3d_F00027B9%25 7c_F00027B9_x%26dbOnly%3d_F0003039%257c_F0003039_x %26dbOnly%3d_F000303A%257c_F000303A_x%26dbOnly%3d_ F00032DB%257c_F00032DB_x%26dbOnly%3d_83004006%257c _83004006_x%26dbOnly%3d_F000303D%257c_F000303D_x%2 6dbOnly%3d_F00032F2%257c_F00032F2_x%26dbOnly%3d_F0 0032F6%257c_F00032F6_x%26uidh%3dvm5%26msbdp%3d5&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults

Right occupation

[Margaret in Burton]

Births Jun 1854 (>99%)
MARTIN William Charles Launceston 5c 37

[kiterunner]

Samuel and Nancy are in Aston, Warwickshire in 1881 and William C is not with them:

http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/7572/WARRG11_3021_3024-0704/22565229?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.u k%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fMS_AdvCB%3d1%26db%3duki1881%26rank %3d1%26new%3d1%26so%3d3%26MSAV%3d2%26msT%3d1%26gss %3dms_db%26gsfn%3dnan*%26gsfn_x%3dXO%26gsln%3dmart in%26gsln_x%3dXO%26gskw%3dcornwall%26gskw_x%3d1%26 dbOnly%3d_F00027B9%257c_F00027B9_x%26dbOnly%3d_F00 03039%257c_F0003039_x%26dbOnly%3d_F000303A%257c_F0 00303A_x%26dbOnly%3d_83004006%257c_83004006_x%26db Only%3d_F00032DB%257c_F00032DB_x%26uidh%3dvm5&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults

[Margaret in Burton]

Samuel and Nancy are in Aston, Warwickshire in 1881 and William C is not with them:

http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/7572/WARRG11_3021_3024-0704/22565229?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.u k%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fMS_AdvCB%3d1%26db%3duki1881%26rank %3d1%26new%3d1%26so%3d3%26MSAV%3d2%26msT%3d1%26gss %3dms_db%26gsfn%3dnan*%26gsfn_x%3dXO%26gsln%3dmart in%26gsln_x%3dXO%26gskw%3dcornwall%26gskw_x%3d1%26 dbOnly%3d_F00027B9%257c_F00027B9_x%26dbOnly%3d_F00 03039%257c_F0003039_x%26dbOnly%3d_F000303A%257c_F0 00303A_x%26dbOnly%3d_83004006%257c_83004006_x%26db Only%3d_F00032DB%257c_F00032DB_x%26uidh%3dvm5&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults

He's married by then and using the name Venning and living in Church Gresley, Derbyshire.

[kiterunner]

He's married by then and using the name Venning and living in Church Gresley, Derbyshire.



Yes - if he is William Charles Martin! I had to check that Samuel and Nancy didn't still have their son William with them in 1881 in case he wasn't the same person as Charles Venning!

[Margaret in Burton]

This is the tree for a friend. She was shocked yesterday when I found 16 children. She's just said "good grief" when I told her it wasn't even his birth name.

[kiterunner]

The Martin and Newberry marriage is on South Derbyshire BDM.


I've never come across that site before and just had a look. It's great that they've done all those transcriptions and made them available online, but I do wish someone would tell them how to use apostrophes correctly!

Anyway, the marriage record on there (19 Apr 1878, Church Gresley) says Jessie Newberry, spinster, age 21, residence Church Gresley, father John Newberry, blacksmith, witnesses James Satchwell and Elizabeth Satchwell.

[kiterunner]

So this looks like Jessie's parents in 1881:
1881 census ancestry (http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/7572/DBYRG11_2755_2759-0616/2553342?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk %2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fMS_AdvCB%3d1%26db%3duki1881%26rank %3d1%26new%3d1%26so%3d3%26MSAV%3d2%26msT%3d1%26gss %3dms_db%26gsfn%3djohn%26gsfn_x%3dXO%26gsln%3dnewb *r*%26gsln_x%3dXO%26gskw%3dgresley%26gskw_x%3d1%26 dbOnly%3d_F00027B9%257c_F00027B9_x%26dbOnly%3d_F00 03039%257c_F0003039_x%26dbOnly%3d_F000303A%257c_F0 00303A_x%26dbOnly%3d_83004006%257c_83004006_x%26db Only%3d_F00032DB%257c_F00032DB_x%26uidh%3dvm5&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults)
John Newberry 51, blacksmith, born Devonshire Lifton, with wife Susannah 53 born Cornwall St Peter??? and several children, living in Church Gresley, Derbyshire.

They are also in Church Gresley in 1871:
1871 census on ancestry (http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/7619/DBYRG10_2897_2900-0630/17203354?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.u k%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fMS_AdvCB%3d1%26db%3duki1871%26rank %3d1%26new%3d1%26so%3d3%26MSAV%3d2%26msT%3d1%26gss %3dms_db%26gsfn%3djohn%26gsfn_x%3dXO%26gsln%3dnewb *%26gsln_x%3dXO%26msbdy%3d1831%26msbdy_x%3d1%26gsk w%3ddev*%26gskw_x%3d1%26dbOnly%3d_F0003888%257c_F0 003888_x%26dbOnly%3d_F00027B9%257c_F00027B9_x%26db Only%3d_F0003039%257c_F0003039_x%26dbOnly%3d_F0003 03A%257c_F000303A_x%26dbOnly%3d_F00032DB%257c_F000 32DB_x%26dbOnly%3d_83004006%257c_83004006_x%26dbOn ly%3d_F000303D%257c_F000303D_x%26dbOnly%3d_F00032F 2%257c_F00032F2_x%26dbOnly%3d_F00032F6%257c_F00032 F6_x%26uidh%3dvm5%26msbdp%3d5%26mssng0%3dsus*%26ms sng0_x%3d1&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults)
Surname is spelt Newbery and ancestry have transcribed it as Newberg. :rolleyes:
One of the children is Jessy age 11.

[kiterunner]

And here they are in 1861 at St Giles on the Heath, Devon, with Jessy age 1:
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/8767/CONRG9_1517_1522-0336/16074984?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.u k%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fMS_AdvCB%3d1%26db%3duki1861%26rank %3d1%26new%3d1%26so%3d3%26MSAV%3d2%26msT%3d1%26gss %3dms_db%26gsfn%3djohn%26gsfn_x%3dXO%26gsln%3dnewb *%26gsln_x%3dXO%26msbdy%3d1830%26msbdy_x%3d1%26dbO nly%3d_F0005DFB%257c_F0005DFB_x%26dbOnly%3d_F0005D FC%257c_F0005DFC_x%26dbOnly%3d_F0007B87%257c_F0007 B87_x%26dbOnly%3d_F0007B88%257c_F0007B88_x%26dbOnl y%3d_F000597C%257c_F000597C_x%26dbOnly%3d_83004006 %257c_83004006_x%26dbOnly%3d_F0005DFD%257c_F0005DF D_x%26dbOnly%3d_F0007989%257c_F0007989_x%26uidh%3d vm5%26msbdp%3d10%26mssng0%3dsus*%26mssng0_x%3d1&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults

[Margaret in Burton]

I've never come across that site before and just had a look. It's great that they've done all those transcriptions and made them available online, but I do wish someone would tell them how to use apostrophes correctly!

Anyway, the marriage record on there (19 Apr 1878, Church Gresley) says Jessie Newberry, spinster, age 21, residence Church Gresley, father John Newberry, blacksmith, witnesses James Satchwell and Elizabeth Satchwell.

Yes, I've seen that. It's a brilliant information site but a bit clunky. You can't search all parishes at once you have to go through them all. That site confirmed the 16 children as the two that died have their parentage noted.

[Margaret in Burton]

And here they are in 1861 at St Giles on the Heath, Devon, with Jessy age 1:
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/8767/CONRG9_1517_1522-0336/16074984?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.u k%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fMS_AdvCB%3d1%26db%3duki1861%26rank %3d1%26new%3d1%26so%3d3%26MSAV%3d2%26msT%3d1%26gss %3dms_db%26gsfn%3djohn%26gsfn_x%3dXO%26gsln%3dnewb *%26gsln_x%3dXO%26msbdy%3d1830%26msbdy_x%3d1%26dbO nly%3d_F0005DFB%257c_F0005DFB_x%26dbOnly%3d_F0005D FC%257c_F0005DFC_x%26dbOnly%3d_F0007B87%257c_F0007 B87_x%26dbOnly%3d_F0007B88%257c_F0007B88_x%26dbOnl y%3d_F000597C%257c_F000597C_x%26dbOnly%3d_83004006 %257c_83004006_x%26dbOnly%3d_F0005DFD%257c_F0005DF D_x%26dbOnly%3d_F0007989%257c_F0007989_x%26uidh%3d vm5%26msbdp%3d10%26mssng0%3dsus*%26mssng0_x%3d1&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults

Thanks for that. I hadn't got around to searching for her yet.

[Margaret in Burton]

I noticed quite a few Newberry marriages on the South Derbyshire BDM site for Church Gresley. Sometimes the registration district will be Burton other times Repton.