Puddephatt - Born Marylebone

[tenterfieldjulie]

Having now established that Henry Pettiford who died 1865 at Howlong in Victoria, Australia, was actually the convict Henry Puddephatt, who arrived Tasmania on the "Asia" 4 21/2/1836, I would like to find a little about Henry's life prior to transportation to Australia.
Henry was convicted of housebreaking at St Albans Herts Azzizes in 1835 and spent 6 months on the hulk Fortitude at Chatham .. He gave his age as 19 and 20 that year.
On the Tasmanian site - one of the records gives a physical description and says that he was a Plo'man from Marylebone. (not sure what a Plo-man is but I guess he was a ploughman .. When he settled at Howlong articles were written in the paper about the wonderful crops he was growing in almost virgin countryside.)
Another record is almost character appraisal - drunkenness, insolence.
It says that he had a wife Mary Ann and one child and it said Marylebone.
He put in an application to marry Mary Ann McVilley (it looks like McNilley but it is definitely McVilley) which the authorities didn't agree to.
The confusion is that it says Mary le bone .. I don't know if he had an earlier wife Mary Ann and that is why he wasn't given permission to marry
They put in a marriage application in 1940 .. but on their 11th and final child's birth certificate, it says that they married in 13/2/1838 in Van Diemen's Land. Her parents were buried in the RC section in Hobart, so it is possible that they were married by a RC priest and the marriage wasn't recognised.

First request please is would someone look at the Tasmanian record for Henry Puddephatt and see if they think he married 1st in Marylebone to a Mary Ann, or was it just where he came from.

Second request can someone find a record of him at Marylebone? On his death as Pettiford he said his father was William, no mother named.

Many thanks Julie:D

[kiterunner]

On the conduct record it says Married 1 child, wife Mary Ann at Marylebone London, so I would take that to mean either that he married her at Marylebone or that is where she was living when he was transported.

http://search.archives.tas.gov.au/ImageViewer/image_viewer.htm?CON31-1-35,271,227,F,60

[kiterunner]

This is the record that says Plo'man, Marylebone:
http://search.archives.tas.gov.au/ImageViewer/image_viewer.htm?CON18-1-4,222,140,F,60

It doesn't seem to say whether the place name is place of birth or where they were living before being transported.

[tenterfieldjulie]

That is what I thought it meant Kate thank you. I wanted a more experienced researcher to make sure I was reading it properly. It is just a coincidence again that the mother of his 11 children is also called Mary Ann. I wonder if that is why after he got his ticket of leave he suddenly became Pettiford. Although most convicts or their descendants tried to cover up their origins when they became respectable. I was just reading McVilleys report and the lashes that he received for misbehaviour made me shudder. Port Arthur is such a beautiful place but so much brutality .. oh dear.

[tenterfieldjulie]

Such a clear record. Do you think that Plo'man means ploughman?

Puddephatt was a very common name in Herts where he was convicted.

A William Puddephatt was tried on the same day at St Albans, but he wasn't convicted.
Quite a few Puddephatts had criminal records and then in the next generation a lot of them left wills.

[Olde Crone]

I don't think Puddephat to Pettiford is a deliberate change of name, more to do with accents in a foreign land and an inability to spell or know how to spell, your own name.

OC

[kiterunner]

FamilySearch has a Henry Puddefort marrying a Mary Ann Franklin 30 Jun 1834 at All Saints and Saint John, Hertford (Hertfordshire Names Online lists them as Henry Puddefoot, and Mart Ann Franklin of Wheathampstead, Henry is OTP on the image, both made their marks, witnesses William Nicholls and Sarah Franklin), and an Eliza Puddephat born 15 Mar 1836, baptised 2 Jul 1837 at Bovingdon, Herts, parents Henry and Mary. Then there is a Henry Puddefoot born 24 Nov 1837 and baptised 20 Dec 1837 at St Mary, Marylebone, London, son of Mary, who we need to look into.

There is a Henry Puddefoot baptised 8 Dec 1816 at Little Gaddesden, Herts, parents Joseph and Sarah, about the right date of birth for your Henry.

[kiterunner]

The image for the 1837 baptism record has Mary's abode as Workhouse, and father's name unknown. Mary's occupation is Pauper.

[kiterunner]

This may be unconnected, but I'm just posting the link so I don't lose them:
1851 census ancestry (http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/8860/HRTHO107_1710_1711-0142/6029606?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk %2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3duki1851%26MS_AdvCB%3d1%26rank %3d1%26new%3d1%26MSAV%3d2%26msT%3d1%26gss%3dangs-d%26gsfn%3dmary%26gsfn_x%3dXO%26gsln%3dp*d*t%26gsl n_x%3dXO%26msbdy%3d1816%26msbdy_x%3d1%26cpxt%3d1%2 6catBucket%3drstp%26uidh%3dvm5%26msbdp%3d10%26cp%3 d11%26gl%3d%26gst%3d%26hc%3d10%26fh%3d50%26fsk%3dB EDmZmYIgAAinAC03Jw-61-&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults)

Birds Eye Farm, Kimpton, Hertfordshire
Robt Tiler Head Widower 35 Farm Labourer Herts Kimpton
Mary Puddephatt Widow 39 Suffolk Framlingham
Emma Do 6 Scholar Midx Marylebone London
James Ellingham U 23 Farm Labourer Herts Kimpton
William Catlin U 16 Do Do Herts Kimpton.

I can't find a baptism for Emma.

[kiterunner]

Never mind, I don't think that the Mary in post #9 is the right one, because in 1861 she has daughters Louisa 25 and Sarah 23 both born Herts Water End.

[kiterunner]

Okay, here's another 1851 census entry which may or may not be a red herring, but the writing is going to take a bit of deciphering:
1851 census on ancestry (http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/8860/HRTHO107_1715_1715-0155/6093554?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk %2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3duki1851%26so%3d2%26pcat%3dROO T_CATEGORY%26MS_AdvCB%3d1%26rank%3d1%26new%3d1%26M SAV%3d2%26msT%3d1%26gss%3dangs-g%26gsfn%3deliza%26gsfn_x%3dXO%26gsln_x%3dXO%26msb dy%3d1835%26msbdy_x%3d1%26gskw%3dboving*n%26gskw_x %3d1%26cpxt%3d1%26catBucket%3drstp%26uidh%3dvm5%26 msbdp%3d2%26cp%3d11&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults)

Pood's Cross, Bovingdon, Herts
James Ambrose Head M 40 Ag Lab Herts Flaunden
Mary Do Wife M 40(?) Straw Plaiter(?) Herts Bovingdon
Fanny Do Daur 7 Herts Do
Joseph Do Son 4 Herts Do
William Do Son 2 Herts Do
Eliza Puddiphat StepDaur U 17 Straw Plait Herts Do
Jno Do Do Son 12(?) Herts Do

[kiterunner]

This is the 1861 census entry for that family, somewhat clearer:
1861 census on ancestry (http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/8767/HRTRG9_836_839-0513/11159534?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.u k%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fMS_AdvCB%3d1%26db%3duki1861%26rank %3d1%26new%3d1%26so%3d3%26MSAV%3d2%26msT%3d1%26gss %3dms_db%26gsfn%3dwil*%26gsfn_x%3dXO%26gsln_x%3dXO %26msbdy%3d1849%26msbdy_x%3d1%26gskw%3dbovingd*%26 gskw_x%3d1%26dbOnly%3d_F0005DFB%257c_F0005DFB_x%26 dbOnly%3d_F0005DFC%257c_F0005DFC_x%26dbOnly%3d_F00 07B87%257c_F0007B87_x%26dbOnly%3d_F0007B88%257c_F0 007B88_x%26dbOnly%3d_F000597C%257c_F000597C_x%26db Only%3d_83004006%257c_83004006_x%26dbOnly%3d_F0005 DFD%257c_F0005DFD_x%26dbOnly%3d_F0007989%257c_F000 7989_x%26uidh%3dvm5%26msbdp%3d2&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults)
Elberns Wharf, Hemel Hempstead, Herts
James Ambrose Head Mar 54 Ag Lab Herts Bovingdon
Mary Do Wife Do 53 Straw Plaiter Do Do
Fanny Do Daur Un 20 Do Do Do Do
William Do Son 10(?) Paper Lab Do Do
Charlotte Do Daur 9 Straw Plaiter Do Kings Langley

[tenterfieldjulie]

Wonderful Kate. I am rushing out now and will collate and absorb what you have found when I come home. Many thanks.
How do you think the name Puddephatt is pronounced? I have one of my Ware girls possibly marrying one at Herts.
Not sure if the change was deliberate to cover his origins OC. Before Henry got his pardon the name is Puddephatt, after it became Pettiford.

[kiterunner]

How do you think the name Puddephatt is pronounced?

I think it is Puh-di-fat but am prepared to be corrected!

[Olde Crone]

Well, not much use as a concealer, lol. In my opinion, Puddephatt and Pettiford sound very similar. If my name was Puddephatt and I was wanting to hide, I'd change my name to Snodgrass, not to something which sounds the same.

(It's pronounced Puddy fat I believe.)

OC

[tenterfieldjulie]

I've been looking at the newspaper mentions and there were two other convicts called Pettiford - Thomas and William, they are mentioned in Trove between 1838 and 1846 in Tasmania.
Henry gets a mention as Puddephatt in 1840 when he gets his ticket-of-leave.
William McVilley registers two grandson's birth at Hobart in 1843 and 1845 and he names them as male children of Henry Pettiford.
The first time Henry I can see he is referred to as Pettiford in newspapers is in 1848 when he is a juror in an inquest, then in 1854 two boys - who I believe are his sons, Henry in 2nd class and A. in 5th class, have their results from a private school published. Maybe those in authority couldn't get their head around Puddephatt.

[kiterunner]

Hmm, some public trees on ancestry show the Mary who was married to James Ambrose as Mary Puddephat born 6 Sep 1812 and baptised 18 Apr 1813 at Bovingdon, in which case I don't think she is the Mary Ann who was married to Henry. But according to FamilySearch, Eliza who was baptised in 1837 at Bovingdon was the daughter of a Henry and Mary, and then James Ambrose has a stepdaughter Eliza Puddephat age 17 on the 1851 census. I can't find James and Mary's marriage although some public trees have it as 16 Oct 1841 at Bovingdon.

So I'm still not sure whether Mary Ambrose is the right Mary or not!

[tenterfieldjulie]

Nothing is straightforward with this family it appears.

[kiterunner]

I should add I was hoping to find something in the Marylebone poor law records on ancestry about the Henry who was born in 1837 but the records didn't seem to cover the right dates.

[tenterfieldjulie]

I think any birth after early 1836 can be discounted as he was convicted on 4 March 1835.. I don't think they had marital visits on the hulks, although he was there for a further 6months.

The birth of Henry Puddefoot baptised at Little Gaddesden, Herts to Joseph and Sarah is promising, as is the marriage of Henry Puddefoot to Mary Ann Franklin 1834 at Hertford. I don't think any of the children are his because of the date of his conviction?

[kiterunner]

I think any birth after early 1836 can be discounted as he was convicted on 4 March 1835.. I don't think they had marital visits on the hulks, although he was there for a further 6months.

The birth of Henry Puddefoot baptised at Little Gaddesden, Herts to Joseph and Sarah is promising, as is the marriage of Henry Puddefoot to Mary Ann Franklin 1834 at Hertford. I don't think any of the children are his because of the date of his conviction?

I didn't think Eliza was necessarily his child, Julie, just thought that Mary might have put his name down as the father because he was her husband. Also if Eliza's mother isn't the same Mary as your Mary Ann, there could be another Henry and Mary couple who we have to be aware of. Also Eliza's date of birth on her baptism could be wrong.

[kiterunner]

Hertford Mercury and Reformer 5 May 1835
Tuesday last the following convicts were removed from Hertford Gaol on board the Fortitude hulk, at Chatham, viz. ... Henry Puddephatt... transportation for seven years.

[kiterunner]

Aha!

Hertford Mercury and Reformer 30 Dec 1834
Henry Puddephat was brought from the County Gaol, (where he is confined under a charge of burglary,) and examined as to his settlement, his wife having become chargeable to the parish in which she resides. Puddephat claims to belong to the parish of Marylebone, that being his father's parish, and he never having gained a settlement elsewhere.

[tenterfieldjulie]

Wow you little beauty .. oops .. sorry Kate .. I must be moire lady loik ..
Thank you now we know for sure where he is from oooooooooooh isn't that amazing .. don't know how you ever found that .. biiiiiiiiiiiigest grin .. thank you.

[kiterunner]

Then there is a Henry Puddefoot born 24 Nov 1837 and baptised 20 Dec 1837 at St Mary, Marylebone, London, son of Mary, who we need to look into.


I have finally managed to find these people in the Marylebone workhouse records: 8 Mar 1839 Mary Puddiford age 30 and Henry Puddiford age 1. It says that Mary is a "singlewoman - has had three illegitimate children". So this is not your Mary Ann.

[kiterunner]

Going back to that 1834 marriage, Henry Puddefort married Mary Ann Franklin 30 Jun 1834 at All Saints and Saint John, Hertford, Henry OTP, Mary Ann of Wheathampstead, both made their marks, witnesses William Nicholls and Sarah Franklin.

There is a public tree on ancestry showing this Mary Ann as being baptised 21 Jun 1812 at Sandridge, Hertfordshire, daughter of Isaac Franklin and Ann Nicholls, with a younger sister Sarah; seems to fit nicely with that marriage.

[ElizabethHerts]

OH has ancestors from Sandridge and Wheathampstead (just 3 miles from us).

I don't think the registers are online, Julie, and I'll have to go over to Hertford to do further research. If you'd like me to do any look-ups while I'm there, just let me know.

[kiterunner]

Just so nobody else goes down the same path, I followed up a Mary Ann Puddephat who married a Thomas Bean at Watford in 1841, but she is 65 on the 1861 census so I don't think she is the right person.

[tenterfieldjulie]

Without checking, I seem to remember that Sandridge was mentioned on Henry's convict record. Need to check.
Many thanks for all you are doing Kate, it js very hard to be really sure with a name that appears to be so easily changed and must be very hard to follow.
The reason I have a question mark over the marriage at Sandridge, is the record that you found Kate which said Henry had no affiliation with any other parish but Marylebone and yet that marriage record at Sandridge says OTP. Of course people lied and if he was prepared to break into someone's house to steal, I'm sure he wouldn't be too concerned about a lie.
Thanks for your offer Liza, when you check Richard's family, if you have time, it would be great if you could check what Kate has found.

[ElizabethHerts]

I probably won't be going for a few weeks, Julie, but hopefully will make it some time before Easter.

Could you e-mail me with what you specifically need? I can look at other parishes too if required.

[kiterunner]

The marriage was at Hertford, not Sandridge. Yes, Henry is OTP on the marriage but that just means he was living there at the time. His settlement examination was to determine his place of settlement, which was not acquired just by living somewhere for a short time. You could acquire settlement by serving an apprenticeship in a parish or paying a certain rent for a certain time, for instance.

[DaniellePettiford]

Hello everyone

I'm so happy I stumbled across this post.

I'm a Pettiford and have researched back to my 4 x great grandfather, Henry Pettiford. Although as discussed here it seems he may have been a Henry Puddephatt and travelled from England as a convict.

I'm curious as to any evidence / records that support this. I'm aware that he was born around 1814 but couldn't find any marriage records between Henry and Mary Ann McVilley. Or any information on Henry's father, William. But the name change could explain a lot.

I'd love to hear any information you could give.

Kind regards
Danielle Scott (nee Pettiford)

[kiterunner]

Welcome, Danielle.

I think Tenterfieldjulie would have to explain how she knows that Henry Pettiford was originally a Puddephatt.

According to Julie's original post, Henry applied for permission to marry Mary Ann McVilley in 1840, but permission was refused, and they later said they had married in 1838, so it could well be that they weren't legally married.

[tenterfieldjulie]

Hi Danielle,

I did this research for a friend, whose maiden name was Pettiford and she lives in Stanthorpe Qld. As you can see I did this some time ago.

If you look at Page 2 of this thread, I posted the name change appears to happen in Tasmania and the different documents with different names and how it appears they are the same person.

Cheers. Julie

[Qwackers]

Hi , Check out Wiki tree , as there are some people of the same name in Hertfordshire , they may help you with your research . It's worth a try ????