fmp PR forename opinions please

[Merry]

I'm looking at the very bottom entry on the left-hand page of this register:

http://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=gbprs%2fstaff%2f007605020%2f00156&parentid=gbprs%2fstaff%2fbap%2f1247756&highlights=%22%22

....the son of Samuel and Elizabeth Lakin was baptised 13th (or 15th?) February (1755)

What's the first name? I know what I think it is, but not saying yet. Note that the different hand in the very corner of the page is from the previous left-hand page!!

[Margaret in Burton]

I'm struggling to see if it's an R or a B. Is it Bertie?


Edit to say, if the different hand is the previous page then is it John?

Very difficult.

[ElizabethHerts]

Only two letters of the name are visible, and they could be h and n, so John is possible.

[ElizabethHerts]

You need the BTs.

[Mary from Italy]

FS have transcribed it as John, and it appears to come from the Alrewas BTs.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J3M7-SJ2

https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/results?count=20&query=%2Bfilm_number%3A417164

[Phoenix]

I reckoned it was Jonathan, with the last bit superscript.

[Phoenix]

*revises comment as I would have meant subscript AND that is patently "the"*

:o

[Merry]

Ooh, that's good! I really need it to be John, preferably not Jonathan! His paternal grandfather was John and he seems to have died as John. Only trouble is, why was he not in his father's will (1807) and what was he doing during his 85 years on this earth? (He was buried in Alrewas in 1838)

For instance, I wonder if this is him?

31 May 1817 - Staffordshire Advertiser

BY Order the Court for the Relief of Insolvent Debtors. The Petition of JOHN LAKIN. late of the Sale, in the parish of Alrewas, Staffordshire, Farmer, now a prisoner for debt the King’s Bench Prison, in the county of Surrey, will be heard at the Guildhall, in the city of Westminster, on the 21st day of June 1817, at the hour of nine in the morning; and that a schedule, (containing a list of all the creditors of the said prisoner) annexed to the said petition is filed in the Office of the said Court, No 9, Essex Street, Strand, in the County of Middlesex, to which any Creditor may refer: and in case any Creditor intends to oppose the discharge of the said prisoner, it is further ordered, that such Creditor shall give notice in writing of such his intention, to be left at the Office of the said Court, two days at the least before the said 21st day of June; and he hereby declares that he is ready and willing to submit to be fully examined as to the justice of his conduct to his creditors. JOHN LAKIN.

Can anyone see anything else about this John?

[Mary from Italy]

The 1834 White's History, Gazetteer and Directory has a Lakin, John, shoemaker living in Alrewas:

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[Merry]

That may well be the John who is aged 50 in 1851 and who has a younger brother, Thomas, living with him. I have the baptisms for those two, but don't yet know how their father, Thomas, fits into the rest of their tree.

[Mary from Italy]

A Thomas Lakin was baptised in Alrewas on 18/3/1781, parents John and Mary of Fradley? Heath Farm:

http://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=gbprs%2fstaff%2f007605020%2f00174&parentid=gbprs%2fstaff%2fbap%2f1248453&highlights=%22%22

[Mary from Italy]

There doesn't seem to be a marriage in Alrewas for that couple, but there's one in Whittington (about 5 miles from Alrewas) in 1779 to a Mary Halt:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NV2P-GZS

The image isn't on FMP, but FreeReg have transcribed the marriage, and both spouses are OTP.

[Mary from Italy]

So far I haven't found anything promising in the vicinity of Alrewas in the Gazette, British newspapers, Gateway to the Past (Staffs archives), Staffs Name Indexes, apprenticeship records or TNA.

And annoyingly, there was another John Lakin born in Alrewas in 1752 to Thomas and Hannah, so it's going to be hard to tell the two of them apart.

[Mary from Italy]

A Richard Wright was charged in 1816 with theft from John Lakin of Fradley, possibly the father of the Thomas bp 1781.

http://www.archives.staffordshire.gov.uk/DServe/dserve.exe?dsqIni=DserveV.ini&dsqApp=Archive2&dsqCmd=Show.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqPos=0&dsqSearch=(RefNo%3D%3D'AA01%2F6%2F1%2F2%2F197%2F1' )

[Merry]

A Thomas Lakin was baptised in Alrewas on 18/3/1781, parents John and Mary of Fradley? Heath Farm:

http://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=gbprs%2fstaff%2f007605020%2f00174&parentid=gbprs%2fstaff%2fbap%2f1248453&highlights=%22%22

That's another baptism I've not been able to tie in with all the other families.

I think the Thomas who was the shoemaker's father was b 1755 and married fairly late to a bride who was also approaching middle age (Sarah Kent). The marriage was at Newton Solney (Derbyshire?) around 1795 (freereg) and they only had two children (John 1798 and Thomas 1800). The parents both died in 1828.

[Merry]

And annoyingly, there was another John Lakin born in Alrewas in 1752 to Thomas and Hannah, so it's going to be hard to tell the two of them apart.


Exactly!

Actually, that family were from Sale and the piece from the paper says that John was also from Sale.

I've got hundreds of Lakin entries written out now, but can only successfully tie about 40% together so far!!

[Merry]

Also, it would explain why this John isn't in his father's if he wasn't Samuel's son at all (Samuel's will was proved in 1807 and there's no mention of a son, John), but the child of Thomas and Hannah and actually three years older! lol

Time for more delving!!

[Merry]

Ah-ha!

John Lakin 1750-something-1838 is now sorted. He's the son of Thomas and Hannah, not the son of Samuel and Elizabeth. Firstly, he isn't in Samuel Lakin's will and secondly, his age is actually closer to that of the son of Thomas and Hannah (for what that's worth!)

John married Sarah Baggeley in 1784. I didn't find any children for them in Alrewas, but once I'd realised Sarah lived to be on the 1841 census (just - died Sept 1841) I got lucky as her two unmarried daughters were with her in 1841 and were still together in 1851 and that census told me they were born in Milson in Shropshire, over 40 miles away!

It would seem the family were back in Alrewas by 1805 as their daughters were married there and were all otp, so the newspaper cutting may still be this John or it could be his son, born 1787 in Milson, Shropshire.

John Lakin sr was buried on the 86th anniversary of his baptism, in the same church (nice and tidy!)

[Mary from Italy]

Well done :)

[Merry]

Thanks Mary :D