England and Wales Death index to 2013 - ancestry

[524919]

Ancestry now showing the England and Wales death index from 2007 - 2013, and the Scotland and Northern Ireland death index from 1989 - 2013

[kiterunner]

Ooh, that's interesting. Wonder whether FMP will have it tomorrow? I will start a new thread about the Scotland and Northern Ireland one so people see what it is in the title.

[Merry]

Ancestry now showing the England and Wales death index from 2007 - 2013

Every person I've looked for so far doesn't appear. :o:o:o

[JayG]

I searched for a surname & only got one result. Searched again & got 48 so guess it's being a little temperamental lol

[kiterunner]

Hmm, ancestry say "Original data: British Death Indexes. Various sources." Not giving much away there! I don't think it is complete, anyway.

[Merry]

I searched for a surname & only got one result. Searched again & got 48 so guess it's being a little temperamental lol

lol! At one point I'd accidentally left 2008 in the year of death box, so I thought I'd solved the problem by removing the date and starting again. I looked for my father-in-law (2009), our neighbour (2009), a cousin, (2010), two famous people (2010) and a friend (2008) and only the neighbour appeared.

[Merry]

Eng/Wales death numbers from Ancestry databases pre and post 2007:

2004: 569,715
2005: 568,386
2006: 551,777
2007: 151,747 (old database)
2007: 176,520 (new database)
2007: 328,267 (total for year)
2008: 256,833
2009: 264,650
2010: 250,492
2011: 229,244
2012: 181,351
2013: 131,363

The description for the earlier database begins with:

This database is a searchable, digitized version of the indices of civil registrations in England and Wales, reported quarterly to the General Register Office (GRO) in London.

but the description of the new database just says:

This index provides death details for people in England and Wales, specifically their name, gender, date of birth or age at death, date of death, and residence place at death.

I have not been able to work out why about half the likely entries don't appear. For my missing people there are always others for the same month, part of the alphabet and reg district.

[kiterunner]

I presume they put it together from other sources which don't cover all deaths.

[Merry]

Well yes, but I can't think what those sources would be.

[kiterunner]

Newspaper death notices?

[Asa]

It's not newspaper death notices. My mother-in-law (2010) is there but not her husband and son (both 2007, same area) and her death didn't appear in any newspaper. My grandmother (2009) is there but not her brother and sister-in-law (both 2012 and again same area) although their deaths did all appear in local papers. Intriguing.

[kiterunner]

Their answer on Facebook to someone's question about where the data came from was " unfortunately we have no further information regarding the exact various sources of the database at this time." :confused:

I presume they mean "we do not intend to tell you" rather than they don't know!

[kiterunner]

Someone on Facebook suggested it may have come from this company but I don't know whether they are right:
http://www.wilmingtonmillennium.co.uk/solutions/halo.aspx

see this blog:
http://anglo-celtic-connections.blogspot.co.uk/2015/01/ancestry-adds-recent-british-death.html

[Jill]

Well my dad who died in 2013 is listed, but they put the village where he had lived as his place of death instead of the city where he died in hospital. Mother in law died the same year and is not listed. both had death notices in the same newspaper.

[kiterunner]

Ancestry have posted this on their Facebook page:

We have checked this with our content team and various sources refers to data sourced from funeral directors and obituary notices. The collection represents about 55% of all deaths so you may not find everyone you are looking for. The collection does not contain full postcodes so that only general areas are implied to help with your research. The source of this collection is GreyPower Deceased Data, compiled by Wilmington Millennium. It is our hope that this collection will be of enormous benefit to many of our members in their family history research.

[BlueSavannah]

Ancestry have also stated the same on Twitter too but other users are saying that its from funeral directors and printed obituaries so far from complete coverage.

[kiterunner]

Yes, it says funeral directors and obituaries and not complete in the quote I posted up from Facebook, Claire.

[kiterunner]

This now goes up to 2017.

[kiterunner]

And now up to 2018.

[kiterunner]

And now up to 2019.