Andrew family of Cocking, Sussex - marriages?

[ElizabethHerts]

Today I received three wills from West Sussex Record Office. They are all of my direct ancestors.

1. John Andrew of Cocking will 1763 (father of Thomas Andrew)
2. John Andrew of Cocking will 1709 (father of 1.)
3. John Andrew of Cocking will 1679 (father of 2.)


The earliest John Andrew's wife was called Mary.
Only one child has been found for them and only one child, John no. 2, is mentioned in the will.

I can't find a marriage for John and Mary. John no. 2 was baptised in 1656 in Cocking. His father died in 1679.

John mentions his sister's daughter, Mary Betsworth. So his sister - probably under the surname Andrew, married Mr. Betsworth.

He also mentions his wife's sister's daughter Joane Tribe.

[Merry]

How sure can you be that Mary Betsworth and Joane Tribe were unmarried women?

[ElizabethHerts]

Good point, Merry. I am probably assuming that as he says "daughter of my sister" and "daughter of my wifes sister" rather than "wife of ..." which is more common. I'll have to bear that in mind.

[kiterunner]

Sorry, Elizabeth, which John mentions Mary Betsworth and Joane Tribe, please?

[ElizabethHerts]

Sorry, Elizabeth, which John mentions Mary Betsworth and Joane Tribe, please?

It's John no. 3 - the eldest.
Sorry, I didn't make it clear.

I know that John no. 2 married Jane Gill and John no. 1 married Margaret Barker.

[ElizabethHerts]

Excitement!

I found that the eldest John was baptised on 14th July 1621 at Cocking, father William Andrewe.

I then found William Andrewe's will on the National Archives' Website.
Reference: PROB 11/240/494
Description: Will of William Andrewe, Yeoman of Cocking, Sussex
Date: 25 March 1654
Held by: The National Archives, Kew
Legal status: Public Record

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D774100


It took a bit of finding on Ancestry because they mistranscribed it, but now I have this will too. Four wills in one day isn't bad, all in a straight line going backwards. William Andrewe is my 9x-great-grandfather.

It also traces the origins of the family to Bepton, which I thought all along as there aren't many Andrew families at Cocking. :D:D

[ElizabethHerts]

Oh wow!

Four generations in one day - I have transcribed all their wills.

The three Johns, then William whose will is dated 1654.

William Andrew mentions his brother Beniamin Andrew of Bepton. A little bell rang in my head. Beniamine died the following year and his was a PCC will too, which I downloaded from Ancestry. He was baptised in 1592.

I have transcribed it and he obligingly names his parents-in-law Nicholas and Mabel Ayling (who gave him and his wife money). Now this couple are earmarked also as my ancestors. There is a group of us trying to tie up the Aylings as they are such a complex family.

I'm very pleased that the Andrew family is more straightforward.
I might even be able to get back another generation as there are earlier Andrew wills from Bepton. However, it'll have to wait until after Christmas now.

[kiterunner]

Findmypast has an entry in Boyd's 1st Misc which they show as John / Mary Andrew marrying John / Jn Andrew 1655 at Fernhurst, Sussex, which doesn't look far from Cocking on the map.

If you choose Boyd's 1st Misc from the A-Z of record sets and search for marriages in Fernhurst in 1655 and go through them, you do get to the proper version of it which is Mary Wite marrying John / Jn Andrew. I wish they would fix this database though! Anyway, do you think it's likely to be the right marriage?

[kiterunner]

FamilySearch has the baptism of a Joane Tribe 20 Oct 1647 at "Farnhurst, Sussex", father John Tribe. Also a Jone Tribe baptised 31 May 1643 at the same place, parents Peters Tribe and Periat. And another Jone Tribe baptised 29 Jan 1648 at the same place, father John Tribe. I can't find a Tribe / W(h)ite marriage though. But Peter Tribe married Parret Collens 6 Jul 1634 at Haslemere, Surrey.

[ElizabethHerts]

Ooh, thanks, Kate. Off to look.

[ElizabethHerts]

Findmypast has an entry in Boyd's 1st Misc which they show as John / Mary Andrew marrying John / Jn Andrew 1655 at Fernhurst, Sussex, which doesn't look far from Cocking on the map.

If you choose Boyd's 1st Misc from the A-Z of record sets and search for marriages in Fernhurst in 1655 and go through them, you do get to the proper version of it which is Mary Wite marrying John / Jn Andrew. I wish they would fix this database though! Anyway, do you think it's likely to be the right marriage?

Thanks, Kate. Do they know of the problems? There is nowhere to report the error.

I have earmarked this as a likely marriage. I didn't really search FMP as they don't have many Sussex records apart from the wills, but I must remember they have Boyd's.

[kiterunner]

Thanks, Kate. Do they know of the problems? There is nowhere to report the error.



I don't know, Elizabeth, but it's been like that for ages so I would have thought so.

[ElizabethHerts]

I wonder:

Name: Mary White
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 20 Dec 1618
Christening Place: FARNHURST,SUSSEX,ENGLAND
Father's Name: George White
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C07045-1
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 0416732, 0416727, 0918263, 0416755, 416748
Reference ID:

First name(s) George
Last name White
Entry year 1651
Place Fernhurst
Original text Farnhurst, Sussex
Court Chichester Consistory
County Sussex
Country England
Document type Registered will
Archive reference STC I/21/499
Record set Sussex, Chichester Consistory Court Wills index, 1482-1800
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Record collection Wills & probate
Collections from Great Britain

Is it worth a punt?
Bother, George died before Mary would have married.

[ElizabethHerts]

If Mary had been 37 at marriage and had her first child, John, a year later, it might explain why the couple only had one child.

[ElizabethHerts]

There are these children for George White baptised at Farnhurst:

Name: Jone Whyte
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 15 Dec 1613
Christening Place: FARNHURST,SUSSEX,ENGLAND
Father's Name: Gorge Whyte


Name: Willyam White
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 27 May 1621
Christening Place: FARNHURST,SUSSEX,ENGLAND
Father's Name: George White

Name: Georg White
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 30 Mar 1624
Christening Place: FARNHURST,SUSSEX,ENGLAND
Father's Name: Georg White

I wonder if Jone is the one who married Mr Tribe and had a daughter Joane?

[ElizabethHerts]

I think the 1651 will is of the father, George White.

Then I found this:

Reference: PROB 11/275/495
Description: Will of George White, Yeoman of Farnhurst Sussex
Date: 13 March 1658
Held by: The National Archives, Kew
Legal status: Public Record

It's on Ancestry.

http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/5111/40611_310324-00535/963242?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk% 2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3dCanturburyPrerogativeCourt%26 rank%3d1%26new%3d1%26so%3d3%26MSAV%3d1%26msT%3d1%2 6gss%3dms_db%26gsfn%3dGeorge%26gsln%3dWhite%26msdd y%3d1658%26uidh%3dxt1&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults

This is the brother George to Mary. The will is very short but :

"I give and bequeath unto my brother in lawe John Andrewe of Cocking whom I make my whole and sole executor....."

So result!
I can't believe how helpful all these wills are being.

Thanks, Kate, for indicating the Farnhurst marriage to me!

Another order to West Sussex RO coming up.:D:eek:

[kiterunner]

That's great, Elizabeth.

[ElizabethHerts]

George White's will (the brother):

"Item I give unto Joane the wiefe of John Dudman my Sister Fiftie
shillings Item I give unto the six children of my said Sister Joane Five
pounds a peece "

The marriage of Joane Tribe and John Dudman:

Name: John Dudman
Spouse's Name: Joane Tribe
Event Date: 26 Apr 1652
Event Place: Farnhurst,Sussex,England
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M07045-1
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 0416732, 0416727, 0918263, 0416755, 416748, 416755
Reference ID:

[ElizabethHerts]

There was another White sister:

Name: Rose Whit
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 12 Jun 1616
Christening Place: FARNHURST,SUSSEX,ENGLAND
Father's Name: George Whit
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C07045-1
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 0416732, 0416727, 0918263, 0416755, 416748
Reference ID:


and another will:

Reference: PROB 11/243/180
Description: Will of Rosoman White, Spinster of Farnhurst, Sussex
Date: 18 January 1655
Held by: The National Archives, Kew
Legal status: Public Record

It must have been just before Mary White married John Andrew.
She mentions her brother-in-law John Dudman and her sister Mary White, as well as her brother George White.

[tenterfieldjulie]

Wow you are sure having success with those wills Liza. Great news. Julie

[ElizabethHerts]

Wow you are sure having success with those wills Liza. Great news. Julie

Julie, I have 101 other things to do but I can't tear myself away. :D

[crawfie]

on 31 Oct 1613 George Whitt married Sybil Tribb in Fernhurst, Sussex

(All spellings as transcribed on parish disc)

Looking for more marriages, will get back to you.

[ElizabethHerts]

Crawfie, how kind of you. Many thanks for that. I didn't even know of this family until Kiterunner pointed me in the right direction. Sybil must have been heavily pregnant with Jone.

[crawfie]

Is this what you were looking for:

17 July 1655 John Andrew to Mary White, Fernhurst, West Sussex.

Let me know which others you are searching for and I'll have a look

[crawfie]

18 April 1704 - John Andrew to Jane Gill, Cocking
15 Dec 1728 John Andrew to Margaret Barker, Cocking.

Other names you mentioned

7 May 1622 Benjamin Andrew to Barbara Ayling, Stedham, West Sussex
20 Feb 1586 Nicholas Aylinge to Mabel Gray, Woolbeding, West Sussex

[crawfie]

I think this one is a possible:

29 May 1655 William Bettesworth to Mary Andrews, Chithurst, West Sussex

Also a possibility as Iping is in the same area:

(for the father of Benjamin)


15 Dec 1589 William Androwes to Margery Totty, Archdeaconery of Chichester Marriage Licence
17 Dec 1589 William Andrew to Margery Tutty, Iping, West Sussex.

[ElizabethHerts]

Crawfie, many thanks for those. I had the 1700s Andrew marriages but not the earlier ones. Are they from the Sussex Marriage Index on disc? I must buy a copy as I have so many early Sussex families.

[ElizabethHerts]

Is this what you were looking for:

17 July 1655 John Andrew to Mary White, Fernhurst, West Sussex.

Let me know which others you are searching for and I'll have a look

Yes, that is it. Many thanks. Boyd's Index just gives the year.

[ElizabethHerts]

Also a possibility as Iping is in the same area:

(for the father of Benjamin)


15 Dec 1589 William Androwes to Margery Totty, Archdeaconery of Chichester Marriage Licence
17 Dec 1589 William Andrew to Margery Tutty, Iping, West Sussex.

I'm not sure about this one, Crawfie, as the first child baptised at Cocking to William was in 1621.

The father of William and Benjamin is John:

Name: Beniamin Andrew
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 20 Feb 1592
Christening Place: BEPTON,SUSSEX,ENGLAND
Father's Name: John Andrew
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C07010-1
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 0918266, 0416755, 416708, 416746
Reference ID:

[crawfie]

Hi Elizabeth, yes they are from the Sussex Marriage disc - goes from mid 1500's up to 1837.

Trying to find a marriage for William, brother to Benjamin and father of John.
There are a few possibilities - do you have a name for the wife which would help narrow it down?

[ElizabethHerts]

So far I have no name for William's wife.

His daughters were called Elenor and Mary.

[crawfie]

Sorry got myself confused there re father for William and Benjamin. Again there are a few possibilities for a marriage for John Andrews around 1590.

[ElizabethHerts]

Sorry got myself confused there re father for William and Benjamin. Again there are a few possibilities for a marriage for John Andrews around 1590.

I'm not surprised. I keep having to check myself. Your help is much appreciated.

[crawfie]

There is a marriage in Pulborough, which is about 15 miles away which looks interesting:

11 Jun 1612 William Aldrew(sic) to Eleanor Greenfield, Pulborough West Sussex.

[ElizabethHerts]

Thanks, Crawfie.

In his will of 1653/54 William Andrewe doesn't mention his wife, so she must have already died.

[Sussex Maid]

There are the following burials at Cocking
Elinor Andrew 9 Jul 1628 wife of William
Elenor Andrew 9 Sep 1637 dau of William
William Andrew 28 Jan 1654
regards

[ElizabethHerts]

on 31 Oct 1613 George Whitt married Sybil Tribb in Fernhurst, Sussex

(All spellings as transcribed on parish disc)

Looking for more marriages, will get back to you.

Name: Sibill Tribe
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 21 Sep 1584
Christening Place: FARNHURST,SUSSEX,ENGLAND
Father's Name: William Tribe
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C07045-1
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 0416732, 0416727, 0918263, 0416755, 416748
Reference ID:

[ElizabethHerts]

There are the following burials at Cocking
Elinor Andrew 9 Jul 1628 wife of William
Elenor Andrew 9 Sep 1637 dau of William
William Andrew 28 Jan 1654
regards

Sussex Maid, I have only just seen your post. Many thanks, that is very helpful.

[ElizabethHerts]

18 April 1704 - 15 Dec 1728 John Andrew to Margaret Barker, Cocking.


I couldn't find anything about Margaret Barker. There didn't appear to be many Barkers in Cocking.

BUT!

I started to look at Oxford and Cambridge Universities for all the families.


Name: James Barker
College: EMMANUEL
Entered: 1688
Died: 1755
More Information: Adm. sizar at EMMANUEL, July 2, 1684. Of Middlesex. Matric. 1688; B.A. 1688-9. Ord. priest (London) Oct. 4, 1690. V. of Walthamstow, Essex, 1690. Preb. of St Paul's, 1701-36. V. of Cocking, Sussex, 1707. R. of Nuthurst, 1708. Archdeacon of Chichester, 1708-36. Preb. of Chichester, 1724-55. Died 1755. Father of James (1725) below. (A. B. Beavan.)

So I looked on Documents Online and found this:


Reference: PROB 11/679/97
Description: Will of James Barker, Clerk, Archdeacon of Chichester , Sussex
Date: 15 September 1736

Ancestry has the will.
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/5111/40611_311180-00259/61748?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk%2 fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3dCanturburyPrerogativeCourt%26 rank%3d1%26new%3d1%26so%3d3%26MSAV%3d1%26gss%3dms_ r_db%26gsfn%3dJames%26gsln%3dBarker%26msddy%3d1736 %26gskw%3dFarnhurst%26uidh%3dxt1&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults#?imageId=40611_31118 0-00259

He mentions his daughter Margaret and his son-in-law John Andrew!

Also his wife and other family. It's a long will so it will take me a while to get through it.

[crawfie]

wow, you are definitely on a roll there!

[ElizabethHerts]

I'm in rather a daze, Crawfie. I'm not used to making such fast progress. Not that I'm complaining!

[ElizabethHerts]

The tombstone of my 7x-great-grandfather, James Barker:

http://www.thehistoryguide.co.uk/cocking-church-aka-st-catherine-of-siena/

[crawfie]

Wonderful find Elizabeth

[ElizabethHerts]

Please could someone who can sign into Family Search Sussex PRs look at the wedding of William Bettesworth and Mary Andrew at Chithurst in 1655 for me:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DBR7-93M?i=264&cat=145681

It's image 265 of 688.

I can read most of it but I don't know what it says after William's name.

"William Bettesworth - - in the parish of Chithurst was maried May the 29 day To Mary Andrewe the daftere of William Andrewe"

[Phoenix]

It looks like

Couverelle to Overiere

Which does not make sense!

[Phoenix]

Or is the last word Wevere

Coverellete Wevere?

[Phoenix]

Coverlet weaver does appear to be an occupation.

[ElizabethHerts]

Phoenix, thanks! It looks like "Coverllete Wevere" now you have mentioned it! I really couldn't make it out before.

The Vicar was very obliging by naming her father. She was his daughter by his second marriage and this ties in perfectly.

Thanks!