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Anstey Nomad
10-11-14, 18:40
After yesterday's taster on FB, here is what I have on Uncle Eric.

My mother had a scrapbook full of newspaper cuttings that I loved to look through as a child. In this book was a picture of a man pulling a number of razor blades out of his mouth, tied at regular intervals on a ribbon. Apparently he liked to crunch them with plenty of salt and pepper - as you do. This cutting, and the one of his wife publicising her patriotic poetry, dated from WWII.

"Mum, who's this?"
"That's your grandad's brother Eric Phillips"

Apparently he was a magician,high up in magic circles (no pun intended) and a friend of David Devant, possibly the premier magician of his day.

I looked for him before and not found him, so had another look yesterday:

Here is the family in 1911 at 43 Bartholomew Street in Leicester.

http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/2352/rg14_19233_0127_03/25688810?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.u k%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3frank%3d1%26new%3d1%26MSAV%3d1%26ms T%3d1%26gss%3dangs-c%26gsfn%3dAbraham%26gsfn_x%3dXO%26gsln%3dPhillips %26gsln_x%3dXO%26msrpn__ftp%3dLeicester%252c%2bLei cestershire%252c%2bEngland%26msrpn%3d85113%26msrpn _PInfo%3d8-%257c0%257c0%257c3257%257c3251%257c0%257c0%257c0%2 57c5272%257c85113%257c0%257c%26uidh%3df62%26pcat%3 d1911UKI%26h%3d25688810%26db%3d1911England%26indiv %3d1%26ml_rpos%3d1&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnRecord

You will note that they declare nine children in total and five children living. I have identified one of the four dead children, little Elsie, born and died in 1891 and I suspect that Charlotte Margaret, born and died in the DQ of 1895 is another one of theirs, otherwise the name is just too much of a coincidence.

With five children living and five children in the house on census night in 1911, Eric becomes a bit of a mystery. I am satisfied that none of the boys on the 1911 census is otherwise known as Eric. Edwin was my grandfather, Harry is my second cousin's grandfather, Frank was KIA in 1918 and George was killed when he was knocked off his bike in Narborough Road in 1931. The two boys alive at the date of the press cuttings are both accounted for.

So who the heck was Uncle Eric?

I have identified three men named Eric Phillips who died in Leicester:

Eric Kimberley Phillips (c1896-1960) - he was married to Mabel Violet England and I have a feeling that the poetry writing Auntie was called Mabel. Other than that, I can't find him on the 1911 census and he appears to have married in Liverpool

Eric William Phillips (1909-1970) - according to the 1911 census he's a Londoner

Eric Charles Phillips (1907 - 1992) - I can't find him on the 1911 census either.

I'm completely baffled by this one. Does anyone have any ideas? Any ideas at all?

Can somebody wave a magic wand?

Anstey Nomad
10-11-14, 18:51
From the V & A catalogue:

Birthday card | V&A Search the Collections
collections.vam.ac.uk/item/O1177371/birthday-card-unknown/
Birthday postcard, with a poem printed on it entitled 'Baby's First Birthday', written by Mabel Phillips, probably published in Great Britain, ca. 1944.

Coincidence?

Merry
10-11-14, 18:55
This cutting, and the one of his wife publicising her patriotic poetry, dated from WWII.


Do you know his wife's name?

Merry
10-11-14, 18:56
.......and don't say, "Mrs Phillips" :(:D

Merry
10-11-14, 18:59
lol I didn't type that slowly - how did you sneak in??

Anstey Nomad
10-11-14, 19:01
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/2352/rg14_19253_0001_03/22156501?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.u k%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3frank%3d1%26new%3d1%26MSAV%3d1%26ms T%3d1%26gss%3dangs-c%26gsfn%3dmabel%2bviolet%26gsfn_x%3dXO%26gsln%3de ngland%26gsln_x%3dXO%26uidh%3df62%26pcat%3d1911UKI %26h%3d22156501%26db%3d1911England%26indiv%3d1%26m l_rpos%3d1&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnRecord

Now I was not expecting to find Mabel Violet England in the centre of Leicester. They look like an interesting family and I love May's occupation. I wonder which of the girls is her mother.

Anstey Nomad
10-11-14, 19:03
I have a sort of feeling, nothing more, that it was Uncle Eric and Auntie Mabel and the greetings card thing is coming back to me too. Was she called Mabel and did she write verses for greetings cards. Was the patriotic stuff "Montgomery, Montgomery, his name is everywhere" just a side line?

Merry
10-11-14, 19:05
So, is this him?


Births Sep 1896

Phillips Eric Kimberley Leicester 7a 291

Merry
10-11-14, 19:08
Son of Joseph and Alice E Phillips on the 1901 census (aged 4)

Phoenix
10-11-14, 19:11
Just spotted your FB post and was reminded immediately of Dad's Uncle William, who is commemorated in a Streatham cemetery as George Belmont (not his surname) together with his wife Maud Belmont aka Mary Jane Elizabeth. Belmont was a street they had lived in.

(That little nugget took forty years and was given to me - I don't think I would ever have found it!)

Merry
10-11-14, 19:12
Ah, I've just read back and see you mentioned that one. I thought you were saying Mabel Violet was the right wife, not just a wife for a random Eric!!

Anstey Nomad
10-11-14, 19:15
Mabel V England married Eric K Phillips in West Derby in 1916.

Can anyone find Eric K Phillips on a census?

Eric Kimberley Phillips and his wife Mabel Violet Phillips lived at 74 Highway Road, Leicester. He died in 1960 and she died in 1965 - probates granted to the same three people I've never heard of.

And this:

Name: Eric Kimberley Phillips
Birth Year: abt 1894
Age: 22
Marriage Date: 26 Feb 1916
Parish: Stanley, St Anne
Spouse's Name: Mabel Nolet England (Violet?)
Father's Name: Joseph Phillips
Spouse Father's Name: Henry England
Reference Number: 283 STA/3/5

This is now starting to make sense. The Liverpool marriage had thrown me off the scent. Here is Eric K Phillips in 1901

http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/7814/LEIRG13_3004_3006-0130/17542132?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.u k%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3duki1901%26h%3d17542132%26indi v%3dtry%26o_vc%3dRecord%253aOtherRecord%26rhSource %3d2352&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnRecord

Back to the drawing board.

Phoenix
10-11-14, 19:21
So your Mum was meant your grandfather's cousin?

Anstey Nomad
10-11-14, 19:21
By George I think I've got it.

Eric K's father is Joseph. This looks like Joseph in 1871:

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?rank=1&new=1&MSAV=1&gss=angs-c&gsfn=Abraham&gsfn_x=XO&gsln=Phillips&gsln_x=XO&msbpn__ftp=Crowland%2c+Lincolnshire%2c+England&msbpn=1670328&msbpn_PInfo=8-%7c0%7c0%7c3257%7c3251%7c0%7c0%7c0%7c5273%7c167032 8%7c0%7c&uidh=f62&msbdp=1&pcat=1871UKI&h=15641037&db=uki1871&indiv=1&ml_rpos=1

Joseph is the brother of my great grandfather Abraham, so it looks as if 'Uncle' Eric was in fact my grandad's cousin, not his brother.

Job done - thank you.

Now about Joseph Bodycote ...

Anstey Nomad
10-11-14, 19:22
Looks like you beat me to it Phoenix.

This does of course give me the full set. Nothing my mother has ever told me about her family has proved to be correct - and I have no idea why.

Merry
10-11-14, 19:23
So your Mum was meant your grandfather's cousin?

Yes, that was what I was going to say!

Anstey Nomad
11-11-14, 21:46
According to trees on Ancestry, Eric's grandmother's maiden name was Kimberley, so the middle name sort of makes sense now.

Mind you, having said that, I have just found a tree on Ancestry that appears to say I have two brothers! Still trying to get my head round that one!

tenterfieldjulie
11-11-14, 22:24
ah dear .. chortles and scuttles off thread ..

Anstey Nomad
18-11-14, 09:34
Just heard back this morning from the archivist at the Magic Circle. No trace of Eric Phillips in their records.

So:


he was not my mother's uncle
he was not a member of the Magic Circle

Olde Crone
18-11-14, 10:01
A picky detail: David Devant retired in 1920 and never worked again. He died in 1941. So there may have been a friendship but it wasn't a professional one.

I have a book about magicians and your Eric does not appear, nor is there any mention of anyone doing a razor blade trick.

OC

Olde Crone
18-11-14, 10:16
This is really tenuous....Jasper Maskelyne, grandson of Archie Maskelyne (who was in partnership with David Devant) did a razorblade swallowing trick in his early career.

OC

Anstey Nomad
18-11-14, 11:45
Hmm, possibly not as tenuous as you seem to suggest.

Anstey Nomad
18-11-14, 20:48
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rQ8uA2TXfY

That's it. 'Uncle' Eric was captured by the Leicester Mercury at the 'pulling them out of his mouth on a string' stage.

Olde Crone
18-11-14, 21:25
Blimey AN, it's a long time since one of my wild guesses has actually been right, lol.


So, um, the scrapbook cutting you saw of "Uncle Eric" was actually Jasper Maskelyne then?

OC

Olde Crone
18-11-14, 22:02
Hm. Does the name Eric Mason ring any family bells? Eric Mason, aka The Great Masoni, appeared on the final Maskelyne and Devant performance at Hastings in 1951. (Another long shot based on the name Eric!)

OC

Guinevere
19-11-14, 05:11
Curiouser and curiouser.

In FMP British newspapers there are 678 articles about Jasper.

And 67 for The Great Masoni

Mary from Italy
19-11-14, 10:56
"Eric Mason as The Great Masoni presented a good illusion show and also did a memory act with his wife Shan. He can be seen to this day in a cameo appearance in the classic film comedy Passport to Pimlico."

http://www.google.co.uk/url?url=http://www.britishmusichallsociety.com/index/magic.pdf&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&sa=U&ei=gIRsVJjQFqXXywOh9oGYCQ&ved=0CBQQFjAA&usg=AFQjCNEt5gOS03ZqCcwfPJC2SQGzOtBy5A

Mary from Italy
19-11-14, 10:59
OK, not the same person as Uncle Eric:

"The Great Masoni (d.1977) was a British magician who was married to a Miss Wong Tai Shan. He began performing before World War I."

http://www.geniimagazine.com/magicpedia/Masoni

Olde Crone
19-11-14, 12:12
Miss Wong Tai Shan was born Audrey M Wong, parents Siung Wong and Maud Weitzel.

I agree, this Eric Mason is not Uncle Eric. Apologies for the sidetrack.

OC

Anstey Nomad
20-11-14, 20:28
An interesting avenue nonetheless, even though, like most of my avenues, it's actually a cul de sac.