George Watts

[kelvin]

I am looking for info on George Watts.
On George his sons marriage cert it states that the fathers occupation is letter carrier in Newport Wales.
I have British Postal Appointment ref that he started 21/12/1852.
I can find no other info on him.
His son George was born in Newport and lived there all his life.
Any info on George senior would be great or any suggestions.
thanks

[catfordcrooner]

Do you know the name of George senior's wife?


Welcome and happy hunting

[kelvin]

I have zero info on George senior apart from postal info and he is dead when his son marries in 1846.

[ElizabethHerts]

I am looking for info on George Watts.
On George his sons marriage cert it states that the fathers occupation is letter carrier in Newport Wales.
I have British Postal Appointment ref that he started 21/12/1852.
I can find no other info on him.
His son George was born in Newport and lived there all his life.
Any info on George senior would be great or any suggestions.
thanks

Is that the son?
You say that George senior was dead by 1846.

[kiterunner]

Kelvin, could you please give us some more information? Who did George junior marry, and have you found them on any censuses?

[Merry]

His son George was born in Newport and lived there all his life.


I have zero info on George senior apart from postal info and he is dead when his son marries in 1846.

I was trying to work out which Newport you are referring to, but.......


If it's Newport in Monmouthshire, I can't see any Watts marrying there in 1846.

if it's the one in Pembrokeshire, I can't see a marriage for a George Watts, just a Phoebe Watts.

I've not got anywhere with the census either :o

[kiterunner]

It's Monmouthshire, Merry:
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/1933/31694_212105-00348/47212?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk%2 fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fMS_AdvCB%3d1%26db%3dBritiPSApoint% 26rank%3d1%26new%3d1%26so%3d3%26MSAV%3d2%26msT%3d1 %26gss%3dms_db%26gsfn%3dgeo*%26gsfn_x%3dXO%26gsln% 3dwatts%26gsln_x%3dXO%26rg_81004041__date%3d1852%2 6uidh%3dvm5&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults

[vita]

Kelvin - I don't know if you've already ruled it out, but there's a lot of info on Watts

family Newport if you Google "George Watts Newport."

[Merry]

It's Monmouthshire, Merry:
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/1933/31694_212105-00348/47212?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk%2 fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fMS_AdvCB%3d1%26db%3dBritiPSApoint% 26rank%3d1%26new%3d1%26so%3d3%26MSAV%3d2%26msT%3d1 %26gss%3dms_db%26gsfn%3dgeo*%26gsfn_x%3dXO%26gsln% 3dwatts%26gsln_x%3dXO%26rg_81004041__date%3d1852%2 6uidh%3dvm5&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults

Thanks Kate. Still no joy with the census :o

[ElizabethHerts]

There is this thread:

http://genforum.genealogy.com/wales/messages/17493.html

[Merry]

Ah, thanks Elizabeth!

[ElizabethHerts]

I have zero info on George senior apart from postal info and he is dead when his son marries in 1846.

Is 1846 correct? The link I looked at said 1865.

[ElizabethHerts]

So this looks like the son and he was born at Bedminster, Bristol:

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1871wales&indiv=try&h=26671736&indivrecord=string.Empty

[Merry]

Yes, it says Bristol in 1851 too (with father George!)

In later life he said he was b in Newport.

[kiterunner]

So this is the family from 1851 on the 1861 census and George sr is a letter carrier to prove it is the right family:

1861 census on ancestry (http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/8768/MONRG9_4012_4020-0637/13488495?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.u k%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fMS_AdvCB%3d1%26db%3duki1861wales%2 6rank%3d1%26new%3d1%26MSAV%3d2%26gss%3dangs-d%26gsfn%3dgeo*%26gsfn_x%3dXO%26gsln_x%3dXO%26msbd y%3d1848%26msbdy_x%3d1%26msrpn__ftp%3dNewport%252c %2bMonmouthshire%252c%2bWales%26msrpn%3d1691398%26 msrpn_PInfo%3d8-%257c0%257c0%257c3257%257c5250%257c0%257c0%257c0%2 57c5370%257c1691398%257c0%257c%26msrpn_x%3dXO%26ms rpn__ftp_x%3d1%26dbOnly%3d_F00027B9%257c_F00027B9_ x%252c_F0003039%257c_F0003039_x%252c_F000303A%257c _F000303A_x%252c_F00032DB%257c_F00032DB_x%252c_830 04006%257c_83004006_x%252c_F000303D%257c_F000303D_ x%252c_F00032F2%257c_F00032F2_x%252c_F00032F6%257c _F00032F6_x%252c_F0003888%257c_F0003888_x%26uidh%3 dvm5%26msbdp%3d2%26gl%3d%26gst%3d%26hc%3d10%26fh%3 d10%26fsk%3dBEEZmZkIgAAiQAAA57c-61-&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults)

Baneswell(?) Rd, Newport, Monmouthshire
George Watts Head Mar 53 Letter Carrier Som Bedminster
Charity Do Wife Mar 53 Milliner Do Do
George Do Son 13 Shop Boy Do Do
Mary Do Daur 15 Milliner Do Do

plus a lot of lodgers.

The surname was mistranscribed as Castle on ancestry; I have put in a correction.

[kiterunner]

On the 1841 census they are at No 6 Causeway, Bedminster, Bristol:

1841 census on ancestry (http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/8978/GLSHO107_376_377-0215/2173509?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk %2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fMS_AdvCB%3d1%26db%3duki1841%26rank %3d1%26new%3d1%26so%3d3%26MSAV%3d2%26pcat%3d35%26g ss%3dms_r_db%26gsfn%3dchar*y%26gsfn_x%3dXO%26gsln_ x%3dXO%26msbdy%3d1836%26msbdy_x%3d1%26msrpn__ftp%3 dBedminster%252c%2bSomerset%252c%2bEngland%26msrpn %3d1674475%26msrpn_PInfo%3d8-%257c0%257c0%257c3257%257c3251%257c0%257c0%257c0%2 57c5283%257c1674475%257c0%257c%26msrpn_x%3dXO%26ms rpn__ftp_x%3d1%26dbOnly%3d_F000391C%257c_F000391C_ x%26dbOnly%3d_F0003039%257c_F0003039_x%26dbOnly%3d _F000303A%257c_F000303A_x%26dbOnly%3d_F00032DB%257 c_F00032DB_x%26dbOnly%3d_F0002996%257c_F0002996_x% 26dbOnly%3d_F000303D%257c_F000303D_x%26dbOnly%3d_F 000303E%257c_F000303E_x%26uidh%3dvm5%26msbdp%3d2&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults)

Geoe Watts 35 Shoe Maker Y
Charity Do 35 Dress Do Y
Joseph Do 10 Y
Charity Do 4 Y
Sarah Do 2 Y
William Do 1 Y
Robert Southcomb 76 White Smith Y
Abram Lippy 20 Shoe Maker Y
Lucy Dowling 10 Y
Elizabeth Lewis 15 F S Y

[kiterunner]

If George sr died before George jr married in 1865 then his death is likely to be the one registered Jan-Mar 1865 Newport, Monmouthshire. This was before age at death was added to the GRO index.

Some baptisms from my Bristol CD:

William Watts baptised 30 Oct 1825 St James, Bristol, parents George and Charity.
Joseph Watts baptised 9 Aug 1829 St James, Bristol, parents George and Charity.
William George Watts baptised 30 Mar 1834 St James, Bristol, parents George and Charity, date of birth 26 Mar 1833.
Mary Ann Watts baptised 5 Mar 1837 St James, Bristol, parents George and Charity, date of birth 22 Apr 1836.

[kiterunner]

And from the marriages CD:
George Watts, bachelor, married Charity Southcombe, spinster, 30 Nov 1823 at Holy Trinity, Stapleton, Bristol.

I wonder whether Robert Southcomb on the 1841 census is Charity's father?

[ElizabethHerts]

Charity's baptism, Father Robert:

Name: Charity Southcoumbe
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 09 Mar 1806
Christening Place: Bedminster, Bristol, England
Birth Date: 04 Jun 1805
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Robert Southcoumbe
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Mary
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C00176-6
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 1849424
Reference ID:

There was an earlier Charity:
Father John

Name: Charity Southcombe
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 01 Mar 1801
Christening Place: Bedminster, Somerset, England
Birth Date: 10 Feb 1801
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: John Southcombe
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Mary
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C00176-5
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 1849424
Reference ID: item 12

but she died:

Name: Charity Southcome
Gender: Female
Burial Date: 30 Sep 1804
Burial Place: Bedminster, Bristol, England
Death Date:
Death Place:
Age: 3
Birth Date: 1801
Birthplace:
Occupation:
Race:
Marital Status:
Spouse's Name:
Father's Name:
Father's Birthplace:
Mother's Name:
Mother's Birthplace:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: B00933-1
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 1849424
Reference ID: v 12 p 35

[kelvin]

Sorry my mistake.
George jnr married Mary Ann Knapp in 1865,George jnr was born about 1846.
George jnr is a cabinetmaker there is a George Watts in Newport Monm at the same time but he is a boot maker.I have got a copy of George snr Postal appointment from Ancestry but I cannot see the complete document.It says date appointed 21/12/1852.
Thanks.

[Merry]

there is a George Watts in Newport Monm at the same time but he is a boot maker

If you are referring to 1851 then yes, George senr was recorded as a bootmaker. As Kiterunner mentioned above, in 1861 the same man (same wife ad children etc) is a letter carrier.

[kelvin]

This is the info I was looking for Thanks a lot I would never of found it myself.
I appreciate your effort.