Martin Harry Molck

[catfordcrooner]

Trying to find out what happened to Martin. He was born St. Saviour, Southwark in 1871, but I have no further information on him

[ElizabethHerts]

This is his birth registration:

First name(s) MARTIN HARRY
Last name MOLCK
Birth year 1870
Birth quarter 3
Registration month -
Mother's last name -
District ST. SAVIOUR SOUTHWARK
County London
Country England
Volume 1D
Page 132


Have you bought the certificate to discover his parents?

[catfordcrooner]

I was hoping to find out information by other means. I can't really afford to buy birth certificates every time I find a possible relative. I can't find him in any censuses or death records.

Jeff

[Olde Crone]

As MOLCK is an extremely rare surname in the UK (only three events on Freebmd) it is very likely it was either something else OR was changed to something else. I don't think you can progress this search without buying the birth certificate for his parents' names.

OC

[ElizabethHerts]

I couldn't find a baptism for him, which would have helped.

I'll put in anything on Molck I can find:

There are entries for M Molck in Railway employment records on Ancestry. He was born in 1834 and was in Paris, Calais, London and Chatham.

A Marton and Marie Molck are in London on the 1871 Census. He is a mariner and given as being born in Germany and she at Calais. No children with them.

[Shona]

In 1871, there is one Molck family in London.

Archer Street

Marton Molck, head, married, 34, mariner, b Germany
Marie Molck, wife, 36, b Calais

As Martin Harry Molck was born in the third quarter of 1871, then I suspect the couple above are likely to be his parents.

The o in the surname can appear with an umlaut over it, so you should also search using the anglicised version - Moelck.

There is a Martin Molck, 38, engineer, and Mary Molck, 32, his wife, arriving in New York on 13 October 1873 on the Parthia, which has sailed from Liverpool via Queenstown in Ireland. This couple are recorded as English. No child with them, though.

In the 1890s, an M Molck (with an umlaut over the O) appears in the railway employment records on Ancestry. This Molck was an engineer working on the London, Chatham and Dover railway, born in 1834 in Calais.

I think buying the cert is the way forward.

[Shona]

Snap Liza!

[Merry]

It's possible Martin Harry was illegitimate as there are two entries in the birth reg index for the same page as Martin Harry:


Births Sep 1870 (>99%)

APPLEGATE George Thomas St. Saviour 1d 132
Barker Martin Harry St. Saviour 1d 132 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
CLARKE Annie St. Saviour 1d 132
DIPPLE Frank St. Saviour 1d 132
Jackman Charles Edwin St. Saviour 1d 132
Jennings John St. Saviour 1d 132
Kent Edwin Ernest St Saviour 1d 132
Lupson Henry Ernest St. Saviour 1d 132
Molck Martin Harry St. Saviour 1d 132 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
UNDERWOOD Maud Amelia St. Saviour 1d 132
WALKER Harry Cecil St. Saviour 1d 132

They could also be two separate people, but usually there are ten entries to a page for births and here we have 11, which suggests two entries relate to the same certificate, particularly as the forename combination isn't too common.

Unless anyone can find more clues this isn't helping as I still can't find a match on the census or a death reg. Still looking.......

[Merry]

as martin harry molck was born in the third quarter of 1871

1870!

[Shona]

1870!

:o:o:o

[catfordcrooner]

Thanks Merry

Martin Molck senior had a dalliance with Harriet Barker, so this is definitely no coincidence. They had several children one being Francis Herbert Molck Barker born in Southwark. At some stage he changed his name to Martin Taylor and the family moved to Dover. There is a William Barker born in 1862, but whether or not he is Martin's son is another matter. Martin, Harriet, William and Frances are living together as a family in the 1881 census

Jeff

[catfordcrooner]

Martin Harry Taylor's death was registered at St. Saviour, Southwark in 1876, aged 5

[kiterunner]

The William who is with Martin and Harriet in 1881 is age 9. Possible birth reg Oct-Dec 1871 St Saviour, surname Barker.
Have you found Harriet on the 1871 census and if so, is Martin jr with her?
Edit - looks as though you have solved it!

[catfordcrooner]

Harriet was living on her own in Greenwich in 1871, so where was young Martin?

Oh, by the way, if William Barker was Martin Molck's son, which seems more likely now that we know Martin Harry and Francis Herbert were , then he is my Great, Great Grandfather