Another go at George Clark after 20 years

[Merry]

George Clark is my 2xg-grandfather.

I believe he was born on 7 June 1824 in Bath, the son of William Clark a labourer. The date is from his dau-in-law's list of family birthdays, the place from the census. and his father's details from his marriage cert.

Years and years (decades!) ago I saw this baptism on FS (but this version is from FreeREG which gives the father's occ), but felt it would be optimistic to say it was the right one without further proof. However, now there's so much more available online I thought it must be time for another go......

Walcot - St Swithin
03 Oct 1824
George son of William and Charlotte Clark
Abode No. Beaufort Square
Father's Occupation Labourer

I also found:

Walcot - St Mary's Chapel
15 Sep 1816
Elizabeth dau of William and Charlotte Clark
Abode Beaufort Square
Father's Occupation Chairman

Walcot - St Swithin
03 Jan 1819
Jane dau of William and Charlotte Clark
Abode Beaufort Square
Father's Occupation Labourer

Walcot - St Swithin
05 Aug 1821
John son of William and Charlotte Clarke
Abode Beaufort Square
Father's Occupation Labourer

There's also this marriage:

Walcot - St Swithin Tr
26 Mar 1816
William Clark
Charlotte Cook
(no further info on FreeREG)

So, these entries look quite hopeful, but how can I prove the connection?

[kiterunner]

Have you joined the Bath Forum Hundred group on Yahoo groups yet, Merry? They have loads of files of transcriptions, some which may not have been uploaded to FreeREG yet.

Also, when did George get married? Before or after the 1841 census? Surely it must have been after? So have you found him on the 1841 census? And have you looked for those Clarks from the baptism records in 1841? Also if we can find marriages for the other children maybe they will have the same witnesses as George?

[Merry]

George married in 1849. His father is not recorded as dec'd but his wife's is not either and her father was definitely dead at that date. The witnesses are Henry Flood and Mary Flood. They may be the couple who married in Bath district in 1845 (she is nee Hobbs) but I've not found any connection.

In 1841 I think this (http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/8978/SOMHO107_931_931-0294/13319147?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.u k%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fMS_AdvCB%3d1%26db%3duki1841%26rank %3d1%26new%3d1%26so%3d3%26MSAV%3d2%26pcat%3d35%26g ss%3dms_r_db%26gsfn%3dgeorge%26gsfn_x%3dXO%26gsln% 3dclark%26gsln_x%3dXO%26msbdy%3d1825%26msbdy_x%3d1 %26gskw%3dbath%26gskw_x%3d1%26dbOnly%3d_F000303E%2 57c_F000303E_x%26dbOnly%3d_F000303D%257c_F000303D_ x%26dbOnly%3d_F0002996%257c_F0002996_x%26dbOnly%3d _F00032DB%257c_F00032DB_x%26dbOnly%3d_F000303A%257 c_F000303A_x%26dbOnly%3d_F0003039%257c_F0003039_x% 26dbOnly%3d_F000391C%257c_F000391C_x%26uidh%3d672% 26msbdp%3d2&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults) is George. Third line on left page. If the people he is with are family, I've not worked out how yet.

EDIT!!!:


Ooooh *possible breakthrough alert*!!!

I just tried FreeREG for a marriage between Isaac Perry and his wife Louisa and here it is:

County Somerset
Place Bath
Church St James
Register Number 56
Marriage Date 07 Oct 1827
Groom Forename Isaac
Groom Surname PERRY
Groom Age
Groom Parish Lyncombe and Widcombe
Groom Condition Bachelor
Bride Forename Louisa
Bride Surname COOK
Bride Parish Lyncombe and Widcombe
Bride Condition Spinster
Witness One Forename George
Witness OneS urname BOWDEN
Witness Two Forename Eliza
Witness Two Surname LAWRANCE
Notes Register solely for Lyncombe and Widcombe Parish; Banns

Note the bride's maiden surname is Cook, the same as Charlotte who married William Clark! I had not seen those two marriages before yesterday and just this minute!

I've not investigated the Perry's at all yet, so that's something to do.

I do belong to the Bath Forum Hundred and if I could remember how to access it I will have a look at what info they now hold. It's bound to be more than the last time I looked as that was a few years ago!

Thanks for your prompt - I knew posting on here would help!! :)

[Merry]

George didn't call any of his children Charlotte, but then his wife's parent's names are not included either (Robert and Charity). They did manage a William, but that's not surprising!

[Merry]

I really shouldn't be doing this now!


Deaths Dec 1847

Perry Isaac Bath 11 5


Marriages Sep 1848

ANSTEE George Bath 11 51
Harris William Bath 11 51
JEFFERIES Eliza Bath 11 51
NOTT William Bath 11 51
PERRY Louisa Bath 11 51 <<<<<< ????
SAGE Susan Bath 11 51
SIDNELL Daniel Bath 11 51
Williams Sarah Bath 11 51


Yes that's her as Bath BMD gives her maiden name as Cook. She married William Harris. I have to stop now!! lol

[Merry]

Louisa and William Harris appear on the 1851 census in Old Windsor, Berks. She says she was born about 1807/8 in St James, Bath.

I think I'll get her marriage cert (1848 reg office one) to see who here father is. She could be a younger sister of Charlotte Cook or a more complex relation!

I can't see a good match for Louisa's baptism on FreeREG and after much struggling I found my Yahoo sign on, only for it to say it had never heard of me, so will have to sort that out!!

[kiterunner]

Merry, you will be delighted to know that one of my Glasscodines (a John, baptised 1806) married a Caroline Cook at Walcot St Swithin, Bath, 17 Jan 1825, witnesses William Tucker and Joseph Tucker (both serial witnesses.) Caroline died in Jan 1833 so I don't have any census info for her, but please let me know if you find her baptism while you're looking at Cooks! She was age 26 at death so should be born about 1806.
Edit - there is a possible baptism for her on FreeREG 1 Mar 1807 at St George Tr, Bath, parents George and Sarah, but I don't know whether this is the right one.

[kiterunner]

You probably have this already, a Charlotte Cooke baptism on FreeREG 28 Oct 1792 St James Tr, Bath, parents John and Charlotte. And a Charlotte Cook baptised 17 Feb 1793 at Walcot St Swithin, parents Richard and Mary.

[Merry]

OMG re the possible Glasscodine connection!!!

Yes, I'd seen those baps for Charlotte Cook. I think there was a second one for John and Charlotte, but I've not made any notes for this yet.

First step is to get that marriage cert, so will do that now via Bath BMD.

EDIT - good heavens - they are £12 from Bath BMD!!! :eek::eek::eek:

[Merry]

The youngest known child of Wm and Charlotte Clark,

Walcot - St Swithin
05 Aug 1821
John son of William and Charlotte Clarke
Abode Beaufort Square
Father's Occupation Labourer

seems to have died as a baby. His parents are not named but the address matches and his age seems reasonable.


Place Bath
Church Walcot - St Swithin
RegisterNumber 1319
BurialDate 06 Sep 1822
Forename John
Surname CLARK
Age 14m
Abode Beaufort Square
FileNumber 14328

[Merry]

I got fed up with Jane Clark b 1819, so decided to look at Elizabeth Clark b 1816 who doesn't seem to have died before 1837 (if she remained in Bath). I've eliminated lots of marriages, but not this one:

County Somerset
Place Bath
Church St James
RegisterNumber
MarriageDate 30 Dec 1837
Groom Forename Frederick
Groom Surname CHEATER
Groom Parish St James
Groom Condition Bachelor
Groom Occupation Labourer
Groom Abode Richmond Terrace
Bride Forename Elizabeth
Bride Surname CLARK
Bride Parish St James
Bride Condition Spinster
Bride Abode Richmond Terrace
Groom Father Forename James
Groom Father Surname CHEATER
Groom Father Occupation Cellarman
Bride Father Forename William
Bride Father Surname CLARK
Bride Father Occupation Chairman
Witness One Forename John Alfred
Witness One Surname BUSHELL
Witness Two Forename Hannah
Witness Two Surname BUSHELL
Notes Banns
FileNumber 14440

Can anyone else find Elizabeth?

[Merry]

Ah, this is them.....

1841 Lyncombe and Widcombe

Fredrick Cheetne 25
Elizabeth Cheetne 20
Louisa Cheetne

Louisa died in 1842.

[Mary from Italy]

I wonder if your Clarks from Bath are related to Libby's?

[Merry]

That's not funny, Mary :mad:

I doubt it because they came from the wrong social circle!! :D

[Merry]

Ah, this is them.....

1841 Lyncombe and Widcombe

Fredrick Cheetne 25
Elizabeth Cheetne 20
Louisa Cheetne

Louisa died in 1842.

Can't find anything else yet........

[Merry]

Hmmm....In 1842 an Elizabeth Cheater was brought before the Bath Quarter Sessions for steeling a sheet. I don't know if it's the same Elizabeth who started out as Elizabeth Clark (and/or whether this is my Elizabeth Clark), but her age was given as 23. My Elizabeth should have been 25 or 26, so not enough difference to say it can't really be her..... She got two weeks hard labour.

[HarrysMum]

I wonder if your Clarks from Bath are related to Libby's?


I doubt it Mary. As Merry said, moved in different circles. My lot were the "white collar" variety of criminal.......lol

[Merry]

So, today I received the marriage cert for Louisa Perry nee Cook to William Harris. Here are the details:

17th July 1848 Bath Register Office
William Harris, 71, widower, Gardener, 10 Brookl???? Buildings, father John Harris, labourer
Louisa Perry, 45, widow, Milliner, Mount Pleasant ???? Hill, father Benjamin Cook, Brewer
Witnesses William Deakes and Emma Turpin
Witnesses and Louisa signed, William Harris made his mark.

I had previously thought I had found William and Louisa Harris on the 1851 census in Old Windsor, Berkshire, but that William was younger than his wife (unless his age was wrongly recorded).

I have now found two deaths for Louisa Harris in 1849 (Q1 and Q2) both of whom died in Walcot sub district of Bath and both aged 45 (Bath BMD). I have not yet found a death for William Harris, but I think I have found him in 1841:

Batchelor Lane, Walcot, Bath
William Harris 60 Gardener No
Elenor Harris 65 No

I needed Elenor to die by the date of the above marriage and best fit was:

1848 Q1 Ellen Harris aged 72 Walcot sub district

It's frustrating if I can't be sure what happened to Louisa and William, but I really only got the cert because I needed to know who Louisa's father was. My 2xg grandfather, George Clark was living with Louisa and her first husband in 1841 and I was hoping Louisa was his aunt as one potential mother I had for George was Charlotte Clark nee Cook.

I now have this family....

Benjamin and Mary Cook had the following children...

Charlotte Eliza in 1797 <<<< hopefully later Mrs William Clark
Louisa 1803 <<<<<<<< later Mrs Isaac Perry and then Mrs William Harris
George 1805 <<<<<<<perhaps my George was named for this George?
Mary Ann 1807

Benjamin Cook married in 1795 to Mary Roisbins (from FreeREG, not sure that is spelled correctly!)

So, do I need more evidence before adding these people to my tree?

My George doesn't use any of these names for his children.

[kiterunner]

Merry, I can't remember all the details of this without rereading the thread, but are all your Clarks and Cooks correct in your latest post?

[Merry]

Kate I can see you reading this and I've just changed all the Clarks to Cooks!


OH has bought himself a new phone and is driving me round the bend with questions I don't know the answers to! That's my excuse!

[kiterunner]

So, do I need more evidence before adding these people to my tree?


Having read back through it, I would say you are o.k. to add them now.

[Merry]

Thanks Kate.