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Phoenix
27-11-09, 11:19
Name - "official" name and what they were known as
Emma Sarah Riley. Daughter Emma was known as Em
Date and place of birth
17 JUL 1848 - according to her baptism record. No trace of her birth reached the GRO Merry has found this, indexed as Raily!
Names of parents
James Riley and Eliza Jane nee Couzens
Date and place of baptism - if applicable
21 AUG 1853 at St Mary's, Portsea, Hants, together with an elder and a younger sister, both of whom subsequently died
Details of each of his or her marriages - if any
16 Nov 1873, at the parish church, Portsmouth - which I think was St Thomas & I know I checked, but haven't noted! - to William Hawkins
Occupation(s) - if any
Chairwoman (sic) in the 1871 census
Military service - if any
None
Addresses where they lived
1851 Oxford St Portsea
1853 - 1873 5 St Mary St, Portsea
1881 Spring Gardens View, Portsea - next door to the in laws
1890 34 Brighton St
1891 34 Brighton St
1901 - 1937 10 Landport St
Landport St, both Portsea
Date, place and cause of death
28/04/1937 at 10 Landport Street, aged 89. Death registered by daughter, Beatrice.
Date and place of burial / cremation.
Kingston Cemetery
Details of will / administration of their estate - if applicable
Memorial inscription - if any
A grandchild thinks there would have been a stone, but a lot of them have been cleared:mad:

Had at least nine siblings. Only three survived to adulthood. When asked, said "you don't want to know about the past"

Emma herself had nine children, one of whom died. This is not remembered by the family and possible was a Walter who died as a baby.

kiterunner
27-11-09, 11:20
Did she get married, Phoenix?

Phoenix
27-11-09, 12:02
I'm just not quick enough at this game, am I?

Born, married, lived and died on Portsea Island. I don't know whether she ever stepped on mainland Britain at all.

Merry
27-11-09, 12:09
What about this?

Births Sep 1848
RAILY Emma Sarah Portsea I 7 133

:D

Phoenix
27-11-09, 12:18
Merry, how DARE you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Merry
27-11-09, 12:29
pmsl!! :D:D:D:D

Phoenix
27-11-09, 12:47
If you knew how I had searched for her - especially when I did not know her year of birth - even under the variants of her mother's name!

What is really gutting is that some of the pr entries I have extracted use RAILEY as a name. (Am now trying to say the name with a Portsea/Irish accent. The family was supposed to have come over during the potato famine, but her grandfather was apprenticed in the dockyard some forty years before she was born:d)

Phoenix
30-11-09, 14:06
I was checking some old notes for Emma's birth. I last looked for her in 1978:eek:




Feels very old:d

China
02-11-16, 09:59
Hi I am related to Emma Riley . My father has always maintained through the hearsay of the family that there were Irish roots. Have you found anything? Regards

Phoenix
08-11-16, 14:14
Hello China
Welcome to the forum, and sorry I missed this post.
One of Dad's cousins always said that the family came over at the time of the potato famine. THIS IS WRONG.
I imagine that the family did come from Ireland, but I have no idea when or where from.
Emma's grandfather died in 1843, unfortunately. But in 1841 the census says he was born in Hampshire and he was apprenticed to a fireman in Portsmouth Dockyard in 1808.
Can I ask how you are related? A direct descendant of Emma, or one of her three surviving siblings? PM me if you don't want the details public.

China
08-03-17, 10:06
Hi Pheonix. I was always led to believe through family hearsay that the rileys were from Ireland. As i did my DNA with Ancestry it gave me 26% Irish. I am yet to determine where from and would be inclined to think that the rileys may be the connection. Particularily as others have been told the same rumours. Although the census says Emma Sarah Riley was born Portsea , I have also not found her birth registered. My connection with her is that she is my great great grandmother. Have you any updated info? Regards Bev

China
08-03-17, 10:10
Hi, can i just add that Portsea is in Portsmouth Hampshire.

Phoenix
08-03-17, 10:33
Hi China
If you look at post No 1, Merry has found the birth entry, indexed as Raily.

I don't doubt that the Rileys were Irish, just that they came to England rather earlier than my family believed. The family is in Portsmouth from 1841, and we were in touch with cousins through until the 1980s

China
12-03-17, 17:57
Thats interesting, which cousins and where were they from? Regards Bev

Phoenix
13-03-17, 10:37
Jim Riley was my grandfather's cousin and lived at the back of the football ground.
I never met, but know there were also cousins running a newsagent on Hayling Island in the 60s.

China
06-10-17, 20:41
Hi Pheonix, I am at a loss with our Riley line. Further back there is James Riley who is Emmas grandfather born c1797 according to 1841 census. He as you know married Polling but i am now at a loss. Have you had any joy further back? Or if i was to order their marriage certificate would it provide the information of his parents, being so far back? Regards Bev

Phoenix
09-10-17, 18:26
Hi China

The Poling/Pulling/Poulden line goes straight back to Petersfield and (apart from the fact that the men never seem to marry) it's there for generations. But James and Eleanor's marriage at St Marys, Portsea has Eleanor's friends and relations as witnesses. It is too early for parent's names.

China
09-10-17, 19:47
Thanks Pheonix, thats a real shame i wonder if i can ever get any further back on this line. Maybe if James had had siblings i couldve taken that track but seems he was an only child unless you know anything i dont? Regards Bev

Phoenix
10-10-17, 19:16
If he hadn't died so young, we'd have a date of birth to go on.

This is age at death:

RILEY, JAMES 49 Order
GRO Reference: 1843 M Quarter in PORTSEA ISLAND UNION Volume 07 Page 99

It agrees with burial details, and the fact that he was apprenticed in 1808, aged 14. Unfortunately, those records don't show his father.

China
28-03-18, 19:25
Hi, do you have the burial details? regards bev

Merry
29-03-18, 06:58
Bev, his burial details are in this thread:

www.genealogistsforum.co.uk/Forum/showthread.php?t=16160&highlight=james+riley