Edward Sheldrick b.1803

[GenieDi]

I think I may have had a breakthrough finding Edward Sheldrick in the 1851 census.

All the facts I have about him fit. The page is from the warburton lunatic asylum. While i have a free weekend on Ancestry what information can I post from there to get help to get further on this, have so far been unable to find a death for him.

[Merry]

Is that the Warburton asylum in Bethnal Green?

[GenieDi]

yes he is under the initials E S. He was a mariner and everything fits.

[kiterunner]

Is he E S, age 48, mariner, born Middlesex Bromley?

1851 census ancestry (http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/8860/MDXHO107_1540_1541-0456/310387?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk% 2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fMS_AdvCB%3d1%26db%3duki1851%26rank %3d1%26new%3d1%26so%3d3%26ssrc%3dpt_t19209336_p770 726530%26MSAV%3d2%26gss%3dms_r_db%26gsfn%3de%26gsf n_x%3dXO%26gsln%3ds%26gsln_x%3dXO%26msbdy%3d1803%2 6msbdy_x%3d1%26dbOnly%3d_F0005DFB%257c_F0005DFB_x% 26dbOnly%3d_F0005DFC%257c_F0005DFC_x%26dbOnly%3d_F 0005C4F%257c_F0005C4F_x%26dbOnly%3d_F0005E11%257c_ F0005E11_x%26dbOnly%3d_F0005906%257c_F0005906_x%26 dbOnly%3d_83004006%257c_83004006_x%26dbOnly%3d_F00 05DFD%257c_F0005DFD_x%26dbOnly%3d_F0006301%257c_F0 006301_x%26dbOnly%3d_F0006867%257c_F0006867_x%26_F 0005C4F%3d1540%26_F0005C4F_x%3d1%26_83004006_x%3d1 %26uidh%3dvm5%26msbdp%3d5%26_83004006%3dPatient%26 _83004003-n_xcl%3df&ssrc=pt_t19209336_p770726530&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults)

Maybe he recovered well enough to go back to work and died at sea?

[kiterunner]

Or there are some possible deaths on the GRO index: Jul-Sep 1858 St Saviour, Apr-Jun 1860 Barnet, these too early for age to be on the index; also Jan-Mar 1877 Newmarket but age is 78 so a little bit out. Have you ruled these out?

[GenieDi]

yes that is him.

[GenieDi]

That was in reply to your first question. I have the 1858 and that is a little lad of 4. Don't have the Barnet one as yet. His wife is down as a widow in 1861.

[GenieDi]

His son Thomas b.1849 is my ancestor no other children recorded after him.

[GenieDi]

I guess I'm hoping there are records for the asylum maybe a discharge record. Or am I hoping in vain. Never had this particular instance before only workhouse and that led to nothing record wise.

[Merry]

I have to admit I was feeling a bit sceptical (more likely to have been at sea maybe?), but there are these two baps at Bromley:


Mary Sarah Sheldrick
Baptism 22 Jan 1797 St Mary, Bromley St Leonard, Middlesex Edward,
Mary,


James Thos Sheldrick
Baptism 13 May 1798 St Mary, Bromley St Leonard, Middlesex Edwd,
Mary,

Could perhaps be siblings of your Edward?

[GenieDi]

Yes I think they are, Merry. I haven't looked at this lot for ages. All I have of my Edward is the baptism and marriage and now I believe this 1851 census entry.

[Merry]

Here's James T Sheldrick with his family and mother Mary in 1851



27 Lower Shadwell

James T Sheldrick 52 head timber merchant b Bromley
Sarah C Sheldrick 41 wife b Essex Brentwood
Elizabeth Sheldrick 8 dau b Shadwell
James Sheldrick 6 son b Shadwell
Mary Sheldrick 74 mother b Bromley
George Spong 19 apprentice
Mary Marsh 22 servant

Time to dish up lunch!

[GenieDi]

Thanks Merry. At least I have the 1851 now lol

[Merry]

Di, do you have records about the siblings of 1803 Edward? I don't want to type out what you already have. I see Edward (father of Ed 1803) was a millwright from JTS's marriage cert.

[kiterunner]

Colney Hatch was in Barnet district, and Wikipedia says that Colney Hatch Lunatic Asylum was built as the second Middlesex County Asylum and was the largest asylum in Europe at one time. So it could well be that Edward was transferred from Warburtons Asylum to Colney Hatch and that the 1860 Barnet death is him.

[Merry]

Post #12 Mary was a widow, but in 1841 she was with her husband, Edward (millwright) at Mile End Old Town (Hornsey St?).

[kiterunner]

And TNA says that the records of Colney Hatch Asylum / Friern Hospital are held at London Metropolitan Archives:
http://apps.nationalarchives.gov.uk/hospitalrecords/details.asp?id=53&page=21

I can't find Warburtons Lunatic Asylum listed in the TNA Hospital Records database.

[Shona]

Find My Past have Edward Sheldrick, age 50, b 1804, Bromley, Essex, on an 1853-1857 Merchant Navy Seaman list.

http://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=tna%2fmsea%2fbtoth%2f4620450%2f00120&parentid=tna%2fbt116%2f2132210026%2f1&highlights=%22%22

[GenieDi]

Thank you, Shona. I guess that must mean he he did get better? I have been unable to find him on any overseas death list so far. I think I may try the Barnet death when I can afford it.

[Sue from Southend]

Having had a quick look at the Bethnal Green Lunatic records it seems that they sent a lot of their inmates to Colney Hatch which I think is Barnet reg district.

I've been having a look for Edward but no joy yet - I'll keep looking as I might find some of mine in there!


Edit - Just seen Kite's earlier post about Colney Hatch! Too late again....

[GenieDi]

Thank you Sue. Any help much appreciated. He has been a real pest. I googled this again earlier and see posts from 2005 I had put out there lol. I feel I am getting warm now...

[GenieDi]

sorry Merry and Kite just came back to this. Will check what I have

[GenieDi]

Joan Palmer got me a lot of info about 6 years back and from the emails I just found she posted some of it to me so I am going to say I likely have the information going back to Edward Cale Sheldrick already. I was so pleased to come across this 1851 census and what you have all provided today makes me think I will get the Barnet death and fingers crossed it is him. That one only seemed to appear online a couple of years back and after buying some that were no good I left it wondering whether it would be worth it but now I think it is thank you all so much.

[Merry]

There's a James Sheldrick marrying a Sarah Cale in 1764 (St Botolph Bishopsgate) with a dau called Mary Cale Sheldrick (bap 1775 St Dunstan Stepney) who I thought may be Edward senr's parents and sister.

James was a baker.

[GenieDi]

Thanks Merry. I am going to locate all this tomorrow and get going again. Not done anything for ages but want to get stuck back in now. so pleased I put this on today

[Nell]

*waves to GenieDi* I remember the Sheldrick name!

[GenieDi]

Waves back --- sending off for that Barnet cert soon. I'll be back lol xx

[GenieDi]

There was mention of Colney Hatch on Secrets of the Asylum this evening..

[GenieDi]

Well - the death certificate has arrived and yes it is him. I want to thank you for all the information you found to put all this together. He did die in the Friarn Barnet Lunatic Asylum of exhaustion? Can you help again, where would he likely be buried? another difficult one, put to bed, so to speak.

[Shona]

It may well be that he was buried at the asylum. Some info in this link:

http://www.friern-barnet.com/picture/number11.asp

The London Metropolitan Archive has records from the asylum inc deaths. Info here:

http://www.aim25.ac.uk/cgi-bin/vcdf/detail?coll_id=11805&inst_id=118

The asylum had its own cemetery. When the cemetery closed in 1873, the burial of patients took place at the Great Northern Cemetery.

I can't find him on Deceased Online.

[GenieDi]

Thank you Shona, will look at these links. His family were still in Stepney from memory. Next thing I would like is to try and find out how long he was there. :)